Dalton's numbers aren't encouraging

[CouchCoach]

tank mode may have played a factor

Could have

 

[bewp7]

all u can ask is that ur backup gives u a chance and he does so it is what ever. if the defense doesnt wake up it wont matter any way.

 

[erod]

I continue to be fascinated by the number of people who try to slip in stupid false digs when the facts are so obvious and readily available. Not only were the Cowboys winning when Dak went down, they were driving towards taking a two score lead. Frankly if Dak doesn't get hurt I don't think the Giants stop the Cowboys from scoring again. They had scored TDs on three straight 75 yard drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarter and were wonderfully balanced and dominant in doing so. They scored a TD on a 75 play drive in 35 seconds at the end of the first half. On the drive where Dak got hurt he never saw a 3rd down. The Cowboys were carving up the Giants defense and were heading towards "name your score" territory there in the 3rd quarter. Dalton did some nice things, but he never got the Cowboys into the end zone the rest of the way and that scares me.

What game did you watch?

They were up one point, so they weren't going for a two score lead. Dak is the same guy that fell behind 17-3 and threw a pick six on a horrible pass. They were up 24-23, and one of Dallas' touchdowns was on a fumble return by Anthony Brown.

Dalton came in, and Dallas scored 17 points. They didn't have to score a touchdown on the last drive after the Gallup catch. They kicked the winner. Dude hadn't taken a snap in practice all year, and he goes out cold in the fourth quarter and gets them to a win.

Can we give him a week of practice and a chance to go into a game knowing he's the starter before we bury him?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

he's played one game in relief. imo, he played pretty well. the last two passes to gallup were outstanding. don't know why naysayers are already trying to eviscerate him. dandy andy deserves a chance. at least wait until he's played one game as a starter.

I remember Roger being out with an injury for several weeks, was brought in as relief quarterback late in the game and played brilliantly, brought the Cowboys back from down to win the game.

The next week he was the starter and he was awful, Cowboys lost big.

Point is , coming in "cold" you don't have the time to think much about how you play, it's adrenaline pumping, instinct playing and the other team's defensive game plan is suddenly not dealing with what you planned for, in part.

Now the Cards know Dalton is "the man", and has a week to prepare. Dalton also has a week to realize "I'm now a starter, on a team I had no camp and preseason with". The brain can begin to fog up and get cluttered with game plans, etc.

How he responds to this game won't mean that's the way it'll be the rest of the season. Too many games left.

But a good, or even great, performance will imho do him more good than a poor or terrible performance will hurt him. A mediocre performance won't mean much either way, the rationalization will be "well it's his first game as starter, mediocrity is to be expected...

 

[JeffInDC]

Before Sunday, Prescott took 7 total snaps from center this season with a lead in four games. When he got hurt, he was trailing again to the ding-dong Giants. Dallas won with Dalton at the helm.

And how can you credit Dak for that onsides debacle that largely got Quinn fired? Or that inexplicable drop in the end zone by Julio Jones on a perfect pass?

Dalton is not the be-all-end-all by any stretch of the imagination, but he did play for the cheapest franchise in the league and in the toughest division in football with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year. He was running for his life with a far worse offensive line than even what Dallas is throwing out there these days.

It'll look different, but the team will still move the ball. You won't be seeing RPOs, and I'd suggest kicking Martin out to right tackle so Dalton can work from the pocket. Lots of quick passes early, with bigger shots later.

What Dalton lacks in youth and mobility these days, he can make up for in the red zone. I expect him to be much more effective throwing in tight coverage down there.

But the challenge will be the same. Outscore his craptastic defense.

I think moving Martin to T is NOT the best move. Moving him to T means the DL has a shorter route to the QB - right up the middle.

 

[Diehardblues]

Time will tell but first glimpse was fairly impressive leading us to two 4th qtr drives making huge throws on the last drive.

 

[Diehardblues]

This season wasn’t likely going anywhere anyway. Now the coaching staff and front office basically get a get out jail free card with Dak out for the season.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Respectfully, all this Dalton talk is a moot point. This season is over

Dalton wont be the future QB of this team and neither will Rayne Dakota. The defense isn't ready to do squat this season.

The rebuild is in full swing and we will keep the good and hopefully put out the bad

We need to draft one of these.....

Is it a sure thing ....NO..but you gotta be in it to win it...

 

[CouchCoach]

The Cards offense has hit nearly 500 yards 3 times this season. We’re going to have to score 35-40 to win unless the defense can force lil Kyler into some mistakes.

And I do not underestimate the lack of coverage this kid has gotten as a motivator. Even the sportscasters when they do cover him, admit that.

He reminds me of Nolan Smith, "The Gnat". He is one small dude to be playing with the big boys but he's no novelty, the kid can play the game. He's got that same baseball delivery that Mahomes and Wilson have.

And I do not underestimate Hopkins returning to Texas either. He has to be happy, O'Brien gets canned one week in Houston and he's coming to Dallas to play on MNF against a secondary that's just begging to get torched and let's not forget who else likes to play Dallas, "Mr. Hands".

Reminds me of another MNF game against these Cards before they moved to the desert for their allergies and that was in Dallas as well. I sat there in shock and disbelief as they dismantled the Cowboys 38-0 and the fans were calling for Dandy Don. Howard turned to Don and said "well, Dandy"? "No way" was Don's response and in those two words was the pain he still felt at being the most mistreated hometown QB in NFL history.

I asked Bob Lilly about him and he got this look on his face and said the fans should have loved Don as much as his teammates did, he said he was one of the toughest players he'd ever seen. Some did but the ones that didn't must have been the grandparents of the Romorooters and Dakaters of the last few years.

Anytime I think of Don Meredith, I think of what the NFL calls the longest pass in NFL history with no yards after catch, 83 yards to Bullet. That is hard to imagine but one night in warmups, I saw Jim Hart go goal line to goal line, that ain't human.

 

[CouchCoach]

This season wasn’t likely going anywhere anyway. Now the coaching staff and front office basically get a get out jail free card with Dak out for the season.

People think Garrett going out there was concern. He probably said "why in the hell couldn't you have done this last year and saved my butt"?

If I am a GM or owner, I look at this differently. The HC is there for when things don't go right. I look at a guy like Pederson and what he did and has to continue to do.

My problem with McC isn't the play on the field as much as the decisions on the sideline.

 

[cern]

People think Garrett going out there was concern. He probably said "why in the hell couldn't you have done this last year and saved my butt"?

If I am a GM or owner, I look at this differently. The HC is there for when things don't go right. I look at a guy like Pederson and what he did and has to continue to do.

My problem with McC isn't the play on the field as much as the decisions on the sideline.

some of his sideline decisions have been questionable.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think moving Martin to T is NOT the best move. Moving him to T means the DL has a shorter route to the QB - right up the middle.

Not to mention the run game up the gut. No team with a weak interior is going to run the ball.

 

[Future]

What game did you watch?

They were up one point, so they weren't going for a two score lead. Dak is the same guy that fell behind 17-3 and threw a pick six on a horrible pass. They were up 24-23, and one of Dallas' touchdowns was on a fumble return by Anthony Brown.

Dalton came in, and Dallas scored 17 points. They didn't have to score a touchdown on the last drive after the Gallup catch. They kicked the winner. Dude hadn't taken a snap in practice all year, and he goes out cold in the fourth quarter and gets them to a win.

Can we give him a week of practice and a chance to go into a game knowing he's the starter before we bury him?

Dak's pick was tipped at the LOS, but you're conveniently leaving out the pick-6 that NYG dropped.

The Cowboys scored 13 points after Dalton came in, and the touchdown was on a drive that Dak led into the red zone. The passing game w/ Dalton accounted for 6 yards on the TD drive.

What is this "hadn't taken a snap" nonsense? He takes snaps every single day, just not with the ones.

It's right to say that Dalton doesn't really need to be evaluated yet, but the straight up false nonsense you post is ridiculous.

 

[Diehardblues]

People think Garrett going out there was concern. He probably said "why in the hell couldn't you have done this last year and saved my butt"?

If I am a GM or owner, I look at this differently. The HC is there for when things don't go right. I look at a guy like Pederson and what he did and has to continue to do.

My problem with McC isn't the play on the field as much as the decisions on the sideline.

This is an opportunity for Mikey to interject his skills with Andy and help uplift the team without Dak.

But if not then like I said , Dak out takes the pressure off. It’s really a win win situation for him now.

And I agree with your assessment.

 

[Diehardblues]

We need to draft one of these.....

Is it a sure thing ....NO..but you gotta be in it to win it...

Herbert definitely is the real deal. Allen really having a good year too.

It really matters what team you are drafted on.

 

[jnday]

Dalton won’t look as good as Dak...but renewed balance in our offense may lead to better results.

Let’s be honest, Dak’s stats and records have not translated to wins. IIRC, the more Dak passes, the greater the chances of the a Cowboys losing. Dalton may not look as good at times, but I do like some of the basic things that Dalton does much better than Dak. I do expect Dalton to feel like he has gone to QB heaven since this is the first time in his career that he will play with the WR level of talent that is on the team.

 

[RonnieT24]

What game did you watch?

They were up one point, so they weren't going for a two score lead. Dak is the same guy that fell behind 17-3 and threw a pick six on a horrible pass. They were up 24-23, and one of Dallas' touchdowns was on a fumble return by Anthony Brown.

Dalton came in, and Dallas scored 17 points. They didn't have to score a touchdown on the last drive after the Gallup catch. They kicked the winner. Dude hadn't taken a snap in practice all year, and he goes out cold in the fourth quarter and gets them to a win.

Can we give him a week of practice and a chance to go into a game knowing he's the starter before we bury him?

What game did YOU watch? And more importantly where did you learn your math.. 37 minus 24 is 13 not 17. And 7 of those 13 came after taking over a drive already in the red zone. Dalton led two FG drives. The only TD drive he "led" had to travel all of 18 yards. Again, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.. but nobody is burying Dalton.. we're just trying to understand how people are claiming he will be "better" despite the fact that we have 10 years of evidence that he is not.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not to mention the run game up the gut. No team with a weak interior is going to run the ball.

But if Elliott can produce similar numbers as Sunday it takes pressure off of passing game. And we must limit turnovers as well.

 

[Typhus]

I think he was the best option for a backup QB and applauded them for landing him; however, that was before I knew he was actually going to have to play.

The last 3 years he was in CIN, his TD to INT was 62 to 37. His playoff record is worse, 1 to 6.

The posts about him being an improvement over Prescott are puzzling to say the least, Prescott is the reason they're 2-3 and not 0-5 and our QB talk centering around the draft.

There can be a lot of different reasons for Dalton's record the last 3 seasons or his availability as a backup or having that as his only option but the only way he is going to save this season, and I think the best of that is winning the East, is with a lot of help.

Now, you can say he didn't get that in CIN and I will agree but will he get that in DAL? There seems to be this feeling that everybody will up their game because the backup QB is in and they'll rally and "Win one for the Dakster". All of the sudden, the D will not look like rejects at a Keystone Cops casting call.

This certainly isn't an ideal situation for Dalton and had he known the 2 OT's and C and his backup would be gone, he might have reconsidered this. He does have one thing in his favor, he can use his feet and neither Cassel or Weeden could do that effectively. However, in his last season in CIN, he did fumble 8 times.

The numbers don't tell the entire story but I wonder about where his head is at. He had a terrible last season in CIN. He got benched and was then brought back in and they ended up with the top draft pick and used it to replace him. I wonder if he was looking for a soft spot after a year like that? Take a little bit of the pressure off because it had to be unbearable.

So, if you're looking for drama in this 2020 NFL season, look no further than your Dallas Cowboys. Got a HC looking for redemption and now he has a QB looking for the same thing. Rarely does this happen, two men in the same boat, each needing the other to save them. And it's their first season together and they couldn't be in a worse place. Ain't no hiding in Dallas.

This isn't a rap against Andy Dalton, just some of the facts about his numbers. Players have beaten the numbers before and there is one thing for sure, McC and Dalton do not have to imagine what the other is thinking, they no exactly how each other is feeling. They should have as strong a bond as possible in this short period of time knowing each other.

I am not a numbers guy as much as one that is interested in the human condition. I've been pretty much wrong about that the last few times and centered on that with McC trying to redeem himself but now that has been magnified with his QB needing the same thing. The pain of their teams not wanting them has to still sting and that human condition side of me wonders can that be the magic?

Think about it. The HC is under fire and his old team is off to a great start. The QB's replacement in CIN is already being heralded as a future HOF. They are already distant memories after only being gone a couple of years.

I do believe in that having something to prove but that's in my heart. My mind looks at this team and tells my heart what a fool it is.

He is our backup QB,, QB2,, WTH are you even rambling about?
Lets try and rationalize for a moment,,, Dak destroyed his ankle, and Dalton stepped in and made a couple of game winning tosses to Gallup that made 2 very insane grabs.
Are you trying to convince yourself that Dalton is starter worthy...? if so, ok, I get the misunderstanding of the term "backup".
But he is our starter now,, so just get used to the notion.

 

[cern]

balance is key. balance is easier to establish if you're not spotting the other team 14-17 points to start the game. balance is not losing fumbles. tony's best year, 2014, murray was running over everyone and we were balanced. we need to return to being balanced. dak's best year, 2016, zeke was crushing it and we were balance.