Dalton's numbers aren't encouraging

[Staubacher]

You Dak stans are about to see how overrated he is. Dalton is going to light it up and the receivers will love him. They're tired of the pee poor throws and the QB being a turnover machine this season.

Just remember to root for the TEAM when Dalton excels.

 

[RonnieT24]

The other flip side is that Dalton will be better at reading a defensive coverage and breaking down the protection he needs for each play. Especially without any fans. Tannehill did it well last night. Rodgers has been owning it and Wilson. The vet QB's are thriving without any fans

I keep reading this.. what have people seen to make this assertion? Dalton throws INTs at almost twice the rate Dak has in his career. Are you all saying that he READS the defense better but just makes crappier throws despite being a "better passer?" I'm struggling with that math.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

1. Zurlein won the Atlanta game with a phenomenal onside kick and then game winner.
2. Dalton engineered the comeback against the Giants. Prescott took 2 quarters off before starting the process of digging the team out of a hole. But Dalton finished it.

3. Maybe Dalton will be our Jim Plunket. He was as good as his supporting cast in Cincy. He's got a better supporting cast now......at least on offense.

ahhhh, hate to break it to you, but dallas was up against Giants when Dak got injured and well on their way to another TD when he was lost with the ball on the 18 yard line.

that's not engineering a come back...that's losing a lead he was handed.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Before Sunday, Prescott took 7 total snaps from center this season with a lead in four games. When he got hurt, he was trailing again to the ding-dong Giants. Dallas won with Dalton at the helm.

And how can you credit Dak for that onsides debacle that largely got Quinn fired? Or that inexplicable drop in the end zone by Julio Jones on a perfect pass?

Dalton is not the be-all-end-all by any stretch of the imagination, but he did play for the cheapest franchise in the league and in the toughest division in football with Pittsburgh and Baltimore every year. He was running for his life with a far worse offensive line than even what Dallas is throwing out there these days.

It'll look different, but the team will still move the ball. You won't be seeing RPOs, and I'd suggest kicking Martin out to right tackle so Dalton can work from the pocket. Lots of quick passes early, with bigger shots later.

What Dalton lacks in youth and mobility these days, he can make up for in the red zone. I expect him to be much more effective throwing in tight coverage down there.

But the challenge will be the same. Outscore his craptastic defense.

sorry, wrong. when he got hurt, dallas was up 24-23 and ball on the 18 of the giants.....did you watch game? or were you too drunk by then?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Titan fans probably made a similar point about Ryan Tannehill last season before he was named as their starter...that hasn't worked out too badly for them.

and there are 10 other examples of it not working out...but we cowboys fans tend to err on the side of lowest probabilities....

 

[Doomsday101]

I keep reading this.. what have people seen to make this assertion? Dalton throws INTs at almost twice the rate Dak has in his career. Are you all saying that he READS the defense better but just makes crappier throws despite being a "better passer?" I'm struggling with that math.

All I can say is if you look at the last few seasons in Cinn. Dalton did not have much talent around him. AJ Green was the best weapon he had and he was often times injured. In Dallas he has some legit weapons. I'm not claiming who is better all I care about is winning football games. I don't think Dalton hurts us at all on offense and I think we can produce on offense with him. While he is not as mobile as Dak, he is not a statue in the backfield, Dalton can move and will run for 1st downs when the opportunity presents itself. In the end however to get this season turned around it falls on the defense to produce better than they have.

 

[erod]

What game did YOU watch? And more importantly where did you learn your math.. 37 minus 24 is 13 not 17. And 7 of those 13 came after taking over a drive already in the red zone. Dalton led two FG drives. The only TD drive he "led" had to travel all of 18 yards. Again, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.. but nobody is burying Dalton.. we're just trying to understand how people are claiming he will be "better" despite the fact that we have 10 years of evidence that he is not.

Because Dak always scores touchdowns in the red zone, right? LOL, we've been one of the worst red zone teams in the league the past four seasons.

 

[erod]

sorry, wrong. when he got hurt, dallas was up 24-23 and ball on the 18 of the giants.....did you watch game? or were you too drunk by then?

Yes, he was up by a point, my bad.

But only thanks to Anthony Brown's fumble return for a TD, and the pick-6 Dak threw earlier on a ridiculous throw.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Don't just use garbage numbers from the garbage Bengals. How'd Dalton do with us vs the giants? 9/11 111yards no TD, no INT. Not a terrible start and 2 of those passes were money to gallop to win the game. Not bad for a guy with no camp on a new team and probably few reps during the week. While he's had a few good players he's never had an offense built like ours.

don't count your chickens yet.

the long pass to gallup was all gallup as the ball was severley under thrown and gallup looked like a gymnast contorting to make the catch....I can imagine what you would say if Dak made that throw...

he also got lucky with a pick 6, as the ball went right throw the giant defenders hands....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, he was up by a point, my bad.

But only thanks to Anthony Brown's fumble return for a TD, and the pick-6 Dak threw earlier on a ridiculous throw.

it doesn't matter. you were wrong. dallas was up to that point....anything before didn't matter. so now you are trying to change the narrative.....

the ball was given to him on the 18, well on the way to another TD and fantastic drive and up by 1.....end of story.

so trying to recreate a false history and then spinning your way out of it...doesn't work....

 

[RonnieT24]

Because Dak always scores touchdowns in the red zone, right? LOL, we've been one of the worst red zone teams in the league the past four seasons.

Again.. throwing out bullcrap when the facts tell a completely different story makes you seem like .. well.. an idiot..

In 2017 the Cowboys were the 7th best redzone offense scoring TDs 59.6% of drives in the red zone.
In 2018 they fell to 51% , which was 26th in the league.
In 2019 they were at 57.41% good for 16th
In 2020 so far they are converting 68.4% good for 11th ..

Care to try again? Maybe make up some more idiotic "facts" that support your bias..

 

[Vandyr]

don't count your chickens yet.

the long pass to gallup was all gallup as the ball was severley under thrown and gallup looked like a gymnast contorting to make the catch....I can imagine what you would say if Dak made that throw...

he also got lucky with a pick 6, as the ball went right throw the giant defenders hands....

See, this is what annoys me on this board. When Dak throws a bad pass and the receiver can't catch it, everyone blames the receiver. "he should have caught that, he gets paid to catch those" and it's never Dak's fault, no matter if he throws it too high, behind the receiver, at their feet, etc. In this case, Dalton drops it right into Gallup's breadbasket and now I'm seeing crap like "severely underthrown" and "circus catch". If anything it was SLIGHTLY underthrown, but easily catchable.

Seriously, just L.O.L. Some of you are so deep in the fanboyism it's gotten ridiculous.

 

[Doomsday101]

Because Dak always scores touchdowns in the red zone, right? LOL, we've been one of the worst red zone teams in the league the past four seasons.

But not this year, Cowboys have done much better in redzone TD over 68% which is about 10% higher than last season.

 

[RonnieT24]

See, this is what annoys me on this board. When Dak throws a bad pass and the receiver can't catch it, everyone blames the receiver. "he should have caught that, he gets paid to catch those" and it's never Dak's fault, no matter if he throws it too high, behind the receiver, at their feet, etc. In this case, Dalton drops it right into Gallup's breadbasket and now I'm seeing crap like "severely underthrown" and "circus catch".

Seriously, just L.O.L. Some of you are so deep in the fanboyism it's gotten ridiculous.

It was a good throw but there can be no denying that it was underthrown. Just watch Gallup having to bend backwards to haul it in. Dropping it in the breadbasket would have resulted in a touchdown.

 

[Diehardblues]

it doesn't matter. you were wrong. dallas was up to that point....anything before didn't matter. so now you are trying to change the narrative.....

the ball was given to him on the 18, well on the way to another TD and fantastic drive and up by 1.....end of story.

so trying to recreate a false history and then spinning your way out of it...doesn't work....

We’re going to need our core starters to elevate their game. That was no doubt a better catch than throw but we can’t really expect our backup QB to make that throw especially in that situation. And why he deserves much of the credit for placing in a spot he could come down with it.

 

[Swagger]

I keep reading this.. what have people seen to make this assertion? Dalton throws INTs at almost twice the rate Dak has in his career. Are you all saying that he READS the defense better but just makes crappier throws despite being a "better passer?" I'm struggling with that math.

From having faced NFL defenses for 10 years he will have seen more than most have forgotten.

People seem to think Dalton was playing for the Patriots under Belichick...he was playing for the Bengals under Marvin Lewis.

Tannehill is only just showing what he's really capable of now that he has a chance - expect Red Rifle to do the same.

 

[RonnieT24]

But not this year, Cowboys have done much better in redzone TD over 68% which is about 10% higher than last season.

The Cowboys have been top half of the league since Dak entered league except for one year. That being the one where the front office completely botched the WR situation so bad it had to call a Hail Mary in midseason and bring in Amari.

 

[Doomsday101]

The Cowboys have been top half of the league since Dak entered league except for one year. That being the one where the front office completely botched the WR situation so bad it had to call a Hail Mary in midseason and bring in Amari.

I think most realize that last years redzone was not good. It got better later in the season but still not great. All I care about is NOW. Offense this season with Dak showed good improvement in that area. I certainly hope for that too continue with Dalton. Last time I checked they both play for the Cowboys and that will always be my great concern. I love having Dak and expect him to be here for a good while but right now, he is hurt and can't help us so it falls to Dalton and you bet I hope he can come in and keep this offense going.

 

[Diehardblues]

If we would have lost that game then it would have been easy to say our season was over without Dak. And rightfully so. But the fact we didn’t lose and Andy led our winning drive deserves some prop which doesn’t have to include anything negative about Dak.

Andy provides us some hope we can still contend and win our division. Something we might not have had if he wasn’t able to generate the winning scoring drive.

 

[Praxit]

....CC, you will be responding to this thread all day.. lol. Better get some of that Tacky-Tack for yer keyboard.