Does Dalton do anything better than Dak?

[Scotman]

I'm just sick over Dak being hurt. But, I hope AD plays lights out. AD is the man right now and I'll be rooting for him to get us to where we want to go this year. You know he has to have a chip on his shoulder. He's getting a chance to prove all the naysayers wrong...and I truly hope he does. He's taking over at a time when our defense is getting some help, too.

What does he have over Dak? More experience and I believe that matters more at the QB position than any other.

 

[FiveSuperBowls]

I’ll wait until Monday

Oops, that’s right

 

[RonnieT24]

Elliot runs better when the qb is under center. Hopefully they do that more.

The main component of that is that he gets to attack the line of scrimmage with a head of steam rather than kind of waiting for the shotgun snap and taking the handoff from a standstill. As a former running back I hated the shotgun run. I only weighed 150 pounds so hitting the hole with some speed was key for me. It's probably less of an issue for Zeke's 225 pound arse but I guarantee you he's harder to tackle with a 3-4 step head of steam than he is from a dead stop. He's also having to run through 300 pound grown men with superhuman strength. Fortunately for me I never had to do that.

 

[5Stars]

So all the sportswriters and former coaches and players that compare QB's are just comparing their manhood? Talk about not seeing the forest through the trees, you fit that perfectly.

I know thinking of simple things is really tough for you. I've4 had users ask me if my first name is Gary or George or Gregg so that should give you a hint what my user name is, well maybe not it could be to simple.
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Now I found the puzzle, you are a freaking Dallas Cowboy fan! Well...I be damed...lol.

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[Established1971]

So now attacking me explains away you trying to play wannabe coach. Ya that works so well. BTW I started playing very young and played through 1 year of college.
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attacking? dude when someone begins a post with "you make me laugh" THAT is the first attack. You could have made your point in a civil way but it was condescending and sarcastic and rude. You threw the first stone unprovoked
This is you:

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I believe he's more accurate and maybe can go through progressions quicker. He's also more mobile than given credit for. I dont know though. I dont know how far off he is from his peak, or how much was playing on a bad team. Of course I'd rather have Dak, but this should be entertaining at least.

Dak is 4th in TD/Interception ratio in NFL history....his career completion percentage is 66% and a QB rating of 97.3
Dalton is 27th in TD/Int ratio and his career completion percentage is 62% and a QB rating of 87.6

what you said doesn't hold water in any way shape or form

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dalton gets rid of the ball sooner, so not as much need to scramble around.

not sure if that's a measure of success or not....
2018
Turbiskey was 2.41.
Blake Bortles 2.62,
Dalton 2.68
Prescott 3.04.
Deshaun Watson 3.05

2019
Prescott 3.54,
Josh Allen 3.16
Rodgers 2.99
Watson 3.02
Mahomes 2.57
Winston 2.49
Dalton 2.38

that stat is very inconclusive. it depends on a lot of factors. OL, the play, scheme, etc......teams that attack down field a lot, tend to have longer time for the play to unfold...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak has improved with his accuracy but he often throws behind receivers.

I have watched Dak a lot over the years and since he improved his foot work he learned to trust his arm and throws a little more. where he has trouble is throwing to the left side of the field (from his body) in short crossing patterns. he tends to throw behind the reciever going from left to right and too far in front of the receiver going from right to left....not sure why he has prroblems with that specific throw. but most of his inaccurate throws are to the side of the field on short, sometimes medium throws.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Of course not silly wabbitt. Dalton did show plenty of positives.

He was mobile enough to escape pressure caused by our offensive line, and he also completed one of the most improbable plays you will see this season to set up a win.

Dalton/Gallup BOOM!

that was mostly gallup, who had to contort, reach back and make an incredible play....expectations on that play is that you would lead the WR.

 

[RonnieT24]

not sure if that's a measure of success or not....
2018
Turbiskey was 2.41.
Blake Bortles 2.62,
Dalton 2.68
Prescott 3.04.
Deshaun Watson 3.05

2019
Prescott 3.54,
Josh Allen 3.16
Rodgers 2.99
Watson 3.02
Mahomes 2.57
Winston 2.49
Dalton 2.38

that stat is very inconclusive. it depends on a lot of factors. OL, the play, scheme, etc......teams that attack down field a lot, tend to have longer time for the play to unfold...

No question.. Cincy favored the WCO for most of Dalton's time there.. And as I said before, some analysts have suggested that Dalton was tired of getting beat up and started just dumping the ball at the first sign of trouble. The low completion percentage, he hovered around 60% the last three years.. and the INT percentage has been right around his career percentage of 2.7. Hopefully dude didn't get shellshocked over those last three seasons in Cincy. He got hurt a couple of times and then just got outright benched last year. That can't be good for the confidence.

 

[doomsday9084]

The biggest thing I see is Dalton plays under center. This opens up 3, 5 and 7 step drops which really changes the offense. Also, Zeke will get a better run at the line of scrimmage.

I'm not going to try to sell anyone that Dalton is better. He isn't. I'm worried that this could turn into a sack fest.

 

[phildadon86]

Thanks, hound dog, but, you can stop with the "Sir" stuff...lol

I call my elders and anyone who’s served sir. Don’t mean it in a bad way. It’s a form of respect. Sir. Lol

 

[5Stars]

I call my elders and anyone who’s served sir. Don’t mean it in a bad way. It’s a form of respect. Sir. Lol

lmao...dog! wth? I'm not that old, I'm 96 year old...
what you talking bout, Willis...old.

Thanks you, and I respect you also...respect goes a long way...wish more knew it.
(not really 96 ... my IQ). 4 good.

 

[CyberB0b]

Your telling me that zeke, Cooper, lamb, Gallup aren't better weapons than what cincinnati has had?

He had a really good slot receiver in boyd and a bunch of scrubs. Their oline has been even worse than what Dallas has had this year.

AJ Green, Tyler Eifert, Mohammed Sanu, Jermaine Gresham.

 

[thunderpimp91]

In other words yopu are basing Dalton being more accurate on what it appears and not what stats show. If in real life Dalton was more accurate than Prescott he wouldn't have been gotten for only 3 mil when there are teams that went out and got different QB's this past season and he wasn't one of them. Do you think if the bengals were happy and sold on his accuracy that they would just fired him for a QB that hadn't thrown a single pass in the NFL? A QB on a rookie contract that wasn't going to cripple the begals.
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As far as basic stats go, yes. This is when some of the advanced analytics could probably come into play. I do think dalton may be a more accurate passer, but that is just one piece of being a QB.

As far as him and the bengals go it was clearly time to move on. Dalton wanted to be a starter, didn't get the opportunity so he went back home. They had the #1 pick and it was clear they were going QB. A rebuilding team with a 32 year old qb doesn't make much sense at this point. Truth is lots of qbs move on, doesn't necessarily mean they are good or bad. We saw several vet qbs switch teams this past offseason, with varying levels of success. I dont think its fair at all to judge Dalton just because the bengals didn't want him. Look at the state of that team, there are plenty of good players they didn't want.

 

[thunderpimp91]

AJ Green, Tyler Eifert, Mohammed Sanu, Jermaine Gresham.

Aj green hasn't been health since 2018, tyler eifert is never healthy, sanu hasn't been on the team since 2016, and Jermaine Gresham? Really?

Last time he had those guys together and healthy he had a really good year.

Andy dalton is a guy who can win with talent around him, but will never carry a team on his back.

 

[zerofill]

Dak is 100% more athletic.
Other than that freak accident, I would say he is built to take more of a beating as well.
I am going to assume even when he isn't confident, he portrays that he is (part of the intangible things)

Dalton 100% goes through his progressions better, and makes quick decisions without second guessing (for better or for worse).
I believe he reads defenses better as well. But, he has around 4 or so more years in the league than Dak.
I think he can probably handle a more complex playbook as well.

I really don't see where we will be any worse off in the Win/Loss department with Dalton.

If the defense stays the same, it won't matter if we have Mahomes back there.

But, I think his ability to not stare down a receiver he is throwing to, and going through all of his progressions has a lot of upside to it.
Especially with this group of receivers.

Even the most devout members of Dak's congregation have complained about that with Dak.

Quick timed passes, like Brady always did a lot of... could work out extremely well. Dalton can definitely get rid of the ball quicker.

I've always felt Dak was better off rolling out of the pocket, and not having time to second guess himself.
Garrett seemed intent on making him a pocket passer though.

Dalton, is a real pocket passer, but can throw pretty good on the run when flushed out of the pocket.

I think a pure pocket passer would probably be a benefit with this group of receivers though.

Who knows... like I said before... if we don't win, it isn't like anything really changed. We weren't winning before this either.

Although, I am not sure where some of the media seems to think our next games are easier?

I mean... the only team we played with a real defense is the Rams.

We have the Steelers, Ravens, 49ers, and even Washington is better then what we have played outside of the Rams.

 

[InTheZone]

Pocket Awareness, Overall Accuracy (talking about the ability to consistently hit a wr in stride), quicker feet (quicker, debatable if he's faster), and has yet to throw two back to back game ending picks like Dak has already done this year.

 

[gjkoeppen]

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Cowboys on three...1..2..3...!!!

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[Jarv]

The main component of that is that he gets to attack the line of scrimmage with a head of steam rather than kind of waiting for the shotgun snap and taking the handoff from a standstill. As a former running back I hated the shotgun run. I only weighed 150 pounds so hitting the hole with some speed was key for me. It's probably less of an issue for Zeke's 225 pound arse but I guarantee you he's harder to tackle with a 3-4 step head of steam than he is from a dead stop. He's also having to run through 300 pound grown men with superhuman strength. Fortunately for me I never had to do that.

Excellent post!

Also since Andy can also take a better 3-5 step drop, it will not key the defense that when he is under center that it will be an obvious run call.

This should also help with auditable calls.