Maybe Nolan isnt the problem

[Typhus]

It’s players and coaches. You can’t suck this bad without it being both.

Wrong,, yes you can.

 

[SixFiveCowboy]

You may not like Scott, and that's fine.

But he's not wrong in what he says. The Cowboys are cotton soft, from top to bottom. And have been since the day Bill Parcells left Valley Ranch for the last time.

I have no trouble sacking Nolan. Go for it. But its not going to change the toxic culture of this team. Until that's solved, this team will continue to spin it's wheels

I can remember when the Ravens came to Jerry world and they physically abused our team that night with Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, plus several others that just made us look like hot marshmallows.

 

[Plankton]

No you didn't, and no you don't. It says that Parcells isn't walking on eggshells.

Did you fail reading comprehension?

What he meant was that Parcells kept everyone on edge, and Jones felt like he had to walk on eggshells around him. Phillips was a contrast to that. He made the exact same comments when Jimmy Johnson left, and used Switzer as the comparison as to how things were different. Jones had zero concern as to whether Parcells was uncomfortable or not, as evidenced by bringing Terrell Owens into Dallas.

All of this was about Jones' personal comfort level. Jones wants to be free to be himself, at the expense of his operation. Johnson and Parcells were impediments to that, hence the walking on eggshells line.

 

[Direwolf63]

I can remember when the Ravens came to Jerry world and they physically abused our team that night with Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, plus several others that just made us look like hot marshmallows.

Last game at Texas Stadium. It was a big deal. Jerry wanted to close the stadium with a bang.

What happened? The Cowboys were thoroughly abused by the Ravens. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, etc. laughed all the way to the airport talking about how predictable the Cowboys were. Embarrassing

 

[Typhus]

In a word the problem is "comfort" Jerry's comfortable, the coaches are comfortable, the players are comfortable. Only the fans are restless, and from the looks of it we might need to get comfortable with our discomfort

As long as Jerry is making money why should we be complaining.
Isnt that why we support this team,,, wrong!
We Support this team because we are fans of the Cowboys, but the owner of this franchise does not care about loyalty.
We need to recognize this as a fan base, and until we do,,, Jerry will never recognize nor will he change anything.
We are the fools that keep buying the Jerseys and the hats and all the pop corn.

 

[Stash]

I literally cant care less about ANYTHING you have to say.


Just letting you know

I'm fine with that. Anything you have to say is 100% wrong anyway. I'd be concerned if you did agree.

 

[Stash]

Nolan picks the defensive players? Maybe the GM was trash.

You can go and look much further into Nolan's career. It looks like you need to. But spoiler alert, things don't look any better.

 

[Sydla]

Stop saying folks are giving him a pass


We are 6 games in and you want to can the DC and have little smoke for the defensive players that hve sucked for years


Fans

Yeah I want to can a DC who isn't all that good. I watched a decade go by when the the evidence was obvious that the HC wasn't good enough. I don't want to waste another season or two and a couple of offseasons learning something that is patently obvious.

As for the players, I look at this practically. I can't change the roster right now. They are what they are. Would I fire some of our guys into the sun right now if I could? Sure. But that's not reality. But what is very easy, especially since we have a qualified DC on the staff, is fire Nolan and just rid ourselves of that problem now. Then I can worry in the offseason about getting a better DC and letting him be involved in remaking the defensive roster.

 

[nightrain]

Bart Scott maybe played the Cowboys 2 or 3 times in his career.

 

[Sydla]

Nolan picks the defensive players? Maybe the GM was trash.

Maybe the GM is trash. But you think Nolan just went on vacation after the season ends and then shows up in August to coach whatever players the GM got for him?

I am simply stunned that people are trying to make excuses for Nolan. But then again, we had fans that defended Garrett for years (some still do), so nothing surprises me.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think Nolan is just one of the many problems. I wasn't in favor of him and his track record is really spotty and he wasn't the DC in his two last jobs before this one.

In all fairness, I do not think Jim Johnson, Dick LeBeau, Buddy Ryan or any other DC could fix this. This is like hiring a chef for your restaurant and putting a pile of hamburger meat in front of him and asking him to make you a Chateaubriand. Would you settle for Sliders?

 

[Majic]

Yeah I want to can a DC who isn't all that good. I watched a decade go by when the the evidence was obvious that the HC wasn't good enough. I don't want to waste another season or two and a couple of offseasons learning something that is patently obvious.

As for the players, I look at this practically. I can't change the roster right now. They are what they are. Would I fire some of our guys into the sun right now if I could? Sure. But that's not reality. But what is very easy, especially since we have a qualified DC on the staff, is fire Nolan and just rid ourselves of that problem now. Then I can worry in the offseason about getting a better DC and letting him be involved in remaking the defensive roster.

Sack Nolan and there will be very little improvement and you will certainly be weakening McCarthy. Better to ride this out give them an offseason to put in their scheme. If next year there is little improvement you get rid of both

 

[Sydla]

I think Nolan is just one of the many problems. I wasn't in favor of him and his track record is really spotty and he wasn't the DC in his two last jobs before this one.

In all fairness, I do not think Jim Johnson, Dick LeBeau, Buddy Ryan or any other DC could fix this. This is like hiring a chef for your restaurant and putting a pile of hamburger meat in front of him and asking him to make you a Chateaubriand. Would you settle for Sliders?

"Fix" can be a nebulous term.

I don't think Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson could make these guys into a really good to great defense. So true, I don't think they could "fix" the defense that way. But I absolutely think they'd be able to get more out of this defense than Nolan has.

 

[Sydla]

Sack Nolan and there will be very little improvement and you will certainly be weakening McCarthy. Better to ride this out give them an offseason to put in their scheme. If next year there is little improvement you get rid of both

Wasting an offseason can have longer term implications. You let Nolan spend another year putting his crap system into place AND also influencing personnel decisions to fit into that scheme, you are probably causing further issues down the line.

I don't really care about weakening McCarthy at this point. He backed Nolan. It's a disaster hiring. Why throw away another season on bad defense if you realize there is an issue.

That being said, Jerry is too stupid and stubborn to admit a mistake this early. So I have little doubt we are going to throw away another offseason and season (or more) on Nolan. Then we will all look back, like we did with Garrett, and wonder why the hell didn't they see this stuff sooner.

 

[gjkoeppen]

There’s no accountability for anyone in this organization. Because if the people at the top are never held accountable, no one else can either. It’s really simple.

Fans get frustrated and sometimes say things that really don't make any sense. The people or person at the top is the owner and just who does an owner have to report to and be accountable to?

Here's the mistake I think not just the Cowboys but the entire league has made and that is to give in to all the BS the players throw at them and/or threaten to do if the league doesn't support their issues and concede to their demands.

The owners lost track of the fact that they are Billionaires and instead of standing firm when negotiating CBA's they surrender and give up way to much. The million dollar players dictate to the billionaire owners. The players did away with 2 a days in training camp and they got the length of practices set to be at least an hour shorter than they used to be. They got practices down to a single day of padded contact per week. The players dictate how long meetings can be.

The owners should have said this is how it will be and say take it or leave it and find some other way of making millions of dollars. Sure the owners would lose a relatively small amount of money with a strike but nothing compared to what the players would lose. The owners may lose some money that may affect how many generations later get some of their money but most players that do a poor job of handling their money will be in financial problems if their paydays were gone.

The reason for the cap was because of 2 teams who couldn't keep up. The packers and browns but the real reason the cap was needed was from the league giving in to the players and giving them free agency as it is. Being able to bid for players has driven the cost for players up. The owners original plan had they held their guns on it was players wouldn't be eligible for free agency until they had 7 accrued season in and had the right of first refusal on any offer for an eligible free agent. But the owners caved and let players get restricted free agency after just 3 or less seasons and free agency after 4 seasons which put players just getting in their prime being bid on raising player cost dramatically.

Yes Jones has made some mistakes but to say the accountability issue starts with him when he doesn't have anyone he has to be accountable to is just frustration talking.
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[Floatyworm]

When are people going to learn....stop listening to the media. They love the disorder in this organization....hence...blame the players....keep this circus going...Can't be the dumb coaches. If you can't figure out there is a war going on for your mind...then that's on you. But people need to figure out...there are a lot of agendas being pushed. Don't believe me...look around the other sports. You can't tell me the Dodgers and Lakers winning is a coincidence.

 

[Majic]

Wasting an offseason can have longer term implications. You let Nolan spend another year putting his crap system into place AND also influencing personnel decisions to fit into that scheme, you are probably causing further issues down the line.

I don't really care about weakening McCarthy at this point. He backed Nolan. It's a disaster hiring. Why throw away another season on bad defense if you realize there is an issue.

That being said, Jerry is too stupid and stubborn to admit a mistake this early. So I have little doubt we are going to throw away another offseason and season (or more) on Nolan. Then we will all look back, like we did with Garrett, and wonder why the hell didn't they see this stuff sooner.

Where I disagree with you is I think the hiring of Nolan made sense when you are looking to put a new scheme in place. He has over 25 years experience of which I agree he has had his ups and downs, but I still think he knows what is needed. I want to see a hybrid DEF where we can change on circumstance. That's what was sold to Jerry by McCarthy. I think once this is in place we will have an identity for the years to come. With better players the DEF will improve. Let's be honest if there was no salary cap we would be looking to replace nearly every player we have in this unit bar about 3. If Nolan goes McCarthy will be a lame duck, so I think if one goes they both go

 

[ItzKelz]

Top 10 the last 5 seasons and now the worst in NFL history with pretty much the same players.

 

[Future]

Did you fail reading comprehension?

What he meant was that Parcells kept everyone on edge, and Jones felt like he had to walk on eggshells around him. Phillips was a contrast to that. He made the exact same comments when Jimmy Johnson left, and used Switzer as the comparison as to how things were different. Jones had zero concern as to whether Parcells was uncomfortable or not, as evidenced by bringing Terrell Owens into Dallas.

All of this was about Jones' personal comfort level. Jones wants to be free to be himself, at the expense of his operation. Johnson and Parcells were impediments to that, hence the walking on eggshells line.

That's not really what it means

But even if it does, it still doesn't speak to whether or not Jerry liked him, so the point is moot. The article doesn't at all do what you're saying it does, even if you're reading it right.

 

[CouchCoach]

"Fix" can be a nebulous term.

I don't think Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson could make these guys into a really good to great defense. So true, I don't think they could "fix" the defense that way. But I absolutely think they'd be able to get more out of this defense than Nolan has.

Well, they are two of the better DC's historically so I agree.

The D has been a problem with this team for so long and I do not see that getting any better because they're going to have to address the OL because this team rides the O.