Fish On Cowboys At The Trade Deadline

[Daillest88]

Why is Quinnen available at such a cheap price?

No idea but he’s definitely been better this year. Defense lineman show up around yesr 3 he’s a older I hope we trade for.

 

[Daillest88]

What wouls you say if they traded a 2nd for Quinnen Williams

I’d be happy. He’s improved a lot from last year. I would offer a 3rd first tho

 

[lkelly]

Why does it matter where Williams was drafted at this point? John Ross was a top 10 pick. Should the Eagles give up a premium selection for him? (Not looking for snarky "let's ruin the Eagles" responses here.) RG III was a second overall pick. Maybe trade for him? Justin Blackmon and Mo Claiborne are probably worth mortgaging the future for, right? The Jags literally threw Fournette into the trash. The Bears are done with Trubisky it appears. To quote Bad Santa, "they can't all be winners, kid."

Once a guy is drafted and you've sunk the slotted contract dollars, it really becomes a question of whether he can actually play in the NFL. Not sure Williams can. Early returns are not good. And did someone really say that getting him to pair with Hill would solidify the DT position for years to come? Oh my.

Dallas is poorly run enough already. If they get sucked into a "1st for Trent Richardson" type trade, then it's really time to spike the JW Blue with some antifreeze.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Do not give up any draft picks other than 5th, 6th, or 7th rounders for any trade.

The cap is going down to $175M next year and probably less the following year. Future NFL revenue is dropping big time. Draft picks are a premium. Teams will be dumping overpaid underperformers for pennies on the dollar.

 

[jterrell]

This kind of stuff is hilarious.
What exactly is Jerry/Stephen/Will supposed to say?
--No, we are full on tanking buddy and refuse to get better?

There are a lot of bad teams this year which means a lot of sellers.
In that case it is a plus to be a buyer.
Especially if you have two R3, two R4s and two R6s to play with.

--Well, we are just too bad to add anything.
LOL, no we are not.
DAL is in 1st place with a win Sunday and they face the Eagles next week.
2 wins and they are in the drivers seat in a terrible division.
Anyone that watched the PHI/NYG game saw two realllllly bad teams.
DAL is merely another bad NFCE team.

DAL added Amari Cooper to boost the team at a weak position going forward and it started the ball rolling on turning the team's worst position group into a team if not league strength.
Trades can definitely speed up the positional overhaul process.

DAL is unlikely to get Q Williams because that's going to cost a fortune.
BUT if they did it would be about the next 5-6 years not just this one.

Some non-star players like a decent OT and a middling LB would be fine as additions with the OT more a stop gap and the LB possible being part of a longer term solution.
With every player healthy this team still could use a 2nd safety, another LB, a rock solid change of pace RB, DTs, CBs.

It is hard to be a seller when everyone you have of real value is either injured or part of your longer term plans.
The only area DAL currently has surplus value is WR and that is the easiest position to improve via the draft.

 

[Uncle_Hank]

This team doesn't have the talent to be competitive this year or the cap space to be competitive next year. Jerry sounds like an old man with a brain disease.

 

[fivetwos]

I'd be curious as to why they refuse to add players off the street that would be likely upgrades, but would be quick to deal draft picks away to save a sinking ship. The QB isnt coming back.

I'm sure it's just lip service.

 

[aria]

If they beat Washington n Philadelphia in the next two weeks I would definitely buy.

Why? To win the worst division ever in the NFL and get beat by a real playoff contender?

Do you honestly think that this team can hang with the likes of Baltimore, KC, TB, etc even if we add a player on defense?

 

[jterrell]

Why does it matter where Williams was drafted at this point? John Ross was a top 10 pick. Should the Eagles give up a premium selection for him? (Not looking for snarky "let's ruin the Eagles" responses here.) RG III was a second overall pick. Maybe trade for him? Justin Blackmon and Mo Claiborne are probably worth mortgaging the future for, right? The Jags literally threw Fournette into the trash. The Bears are done with Trubisky it appears. To quote Bad Santa, "they can't all be winners, kid."

Once a guy is drafted and you've sunk the slotted contract dollars, it really becomes a question of whether he can actually play in the NFL. Not sure Williams can. Early returns are not good. And did someone really say that getting him to pair with Hill would solidify the DT position for years to come? Oh my.

Dallas is poorly run enough already. If they get sucked into a "1st for Trent Richardson" type trade, then it's really time to spike the JW Blue with some antifreeze.

Q Williams hasn't been bad by any means and is only in the first half of year 2.
He's not being traded for nonsense.
He's still a highly desired prospect with massive potential.
My guess is it'd take AT LEAST R2 and the comp R3 to land him and that may be too rich for DAL.

PFF currently has him at 71.2.
Dallas numbers courtesy HK.
DT: J. Hamilton- 86.0 not enough snaps to rank
A. Woods- 55.5 (79th)
Hill- 33.6 (118th worst graded DT in the entire league)
Ty Craw- 44.3 (108th)
D. Poe- 55.1 (80th)
Gallimore- 38.0 not enough snaps to rank, but really bad

So Dallas could very much use him as is and he is only improving.

Dallas would be VERY happy to pair Q Williams and Trysten Hill together for the future. That's a heck of a pressure interior.
You'd keep AWoods hopefully and at least 1 more actual run stuffer.

Fans gotta stop pretending every guy in the draft is supposed to be lights out day 1.
It doesn't work like that.
Most physically talented guys develop over 3-4 years, hit their peak for a couple then tail off for a few.
Derrick Brown who went 7th overall as the top DT last draft has a PFF score of 51.
The 2nd DT was Javon Kinlaw who PFF has at 56.
Dallas would be very smart to get a slightly more mature Q Williams than go draft a guy top 10 and have to wait 18 months for him to catch up.

 

[Aven8]

Trade them Jaylon and Xavier Woods plus a late pick for him.

 

[jterrell]

I'd be curious as to why they refuse to add players off the street that would be likely upgrades, but would be quick to deal draft picks away to save a sinking ship. The QB isnt coming back.

I'm sure it's just lip service.

The off the street improvement stuff would be far more believable if the guys they did add didn't generally suck worse than what we had.
We saw supposed safety upgrade HaHa get cut in camp.
Dalton was arguably the premier back up target available.
If a guy is on the street and can't help anyone else it's hard to see them being much help here.
And some of the guys like Ronald Leary are available but want to be paid very well.
When name guys fall in the draft or sit in free agency it's usually because they can't play.
Not that often 32 GMs all mess up.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If they trade I hope it’s a late rounder for a good starter.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The front office is about the most uninspiring staff in the NFL. Why wait for the deadline when we have holes everywhere?

I’d respect them more if they did nothing and just got rid of guys this summer. I don’t get the point in waiting. Even on the Amari deal it felt like they waited to trade for him they had been talking for weeks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Here's the thing. He was the 3rd overall pick in 2019. He should easily be worth more than a 2nd. There has to be something wrong with him if no one is offering that. If that's the case I wouldn't give anything more than a 7th. We have enough of those players.

I mean if Yannick got traded doe a 3rd and a conditional 5th.......I can believe he can be traded for a 2nd or a 3rd.

 

[G2]

I’d respect them more if they did nothing and just got rid of guys this summer. I don’t get the point in waiting. Even on the Amari deal it felt like they waited to trade for him they had been talking for weeks.

That's true. It just gets old seeing other GM's being aggressive and being proactive bringing n players and building a team. Jones seems to only do it when we absolutely have to.

 

[G2]

We’d be smart to look at trading Cooper. Gallup and Lamb are the future at WR.

MIA makes a good trade partner. They have 2 2nd round picks, a young QB who needs weapons, and only have DeVante Parker as an above average WR. They’re 3-3 and only 1 game behind BUF for the division. The division is winnable for them this year.

And they're out of the NFC.

 

[Loso86]

If these idiots start shipping picks I might lose my mind....we’re going to be picking at the top of each round and this is not a situation whweee you are one player a way

Except if we win the east wed be 19th

 

[Big_D]

Why does it matter where Williams was drafted at this point? John Ross was a top 10 pick. Should the Eagles give up a premium selection for him? (Not looking for snarky "let's ruin the Eagles" responses here.) RG III was a second overall pick. Maybe trade for him? Justin Blackmon and Mo Claiborne are probably worth mortgaging the future for, right? The Jags literally threw Fournette into the trash. The Bears are done with Trubisky it appears. To quote Bad Santa, "they can't all be winners, kid."

Once a guy is drafted and you've sunk the slotted contract dollars, it really becomes a question of whether he can actually play in the NFL. Not sure Williams can. Early returns are not good. And did someone really say that getting him to pair with Hill would solidify the DT position for years to come? Oh my.

Dallas is poorly run enough already. If they get sucked into a "1st for Trent Richardson" type trade, then it's really time to spike the JW Blue with some antifreeze.

this is how Jerry operates and some fans buy it. Sure let’s trade a high draft pick, then overpay him a year from now while the rest of the team stinks. That same ridiculous recipe that’s never worked? Let’s try that again! lol Jerry apparently will never learn a lesson here! Absolutely clueless! Maybe trade 2 firsts for Trubisky. That’s a great plan too.

 

[Stash]

Here's the thing. He was the 3rd overall pick in 2019. He should easily be worth more than a 2nd. There has to be something wrong with him if no one is offering that. If that's the case I wouldn't give anything more than a 7th. We have enough of those players.

If you find that to be true let me know.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's true. It just gets old seeing other GM's being aggressive and being proactive bringing n players and building a team. Jones seems to only do it when we absolutely have to.

Trying to bet the cheapest deal they can get....smh.