Tank the season to go after Trevor Lawrence at QB? Thread **merged**

[CarolinaFathead]

No my point was 95% of these teams get away with it via signing the extensions early or signing the extensions while the QB is playing under market value. That was the case with Ben (they offloaded almost half of the 2020-2021 bonus on his cheap 2019 salary)

It's not so much the yearly amount as is the structure and timing. Dak with no cheap years, the cap going down, and wanting it to be short (due to the TV deal increase of 2023) is quite the problem.........

Ok. I think we are butting heads on things we aren’t necessarily disagreeing about.

 

[32BellyOption]

The Cowboys needs lots of help but if we had the first pick and I’m in charge I’m running the card to the podium with Trevor Lawrence’s name on it. The kid is Uber talented and would upgrade the QB position for us. And this is coming from a Dak fan. But we’ll likely end up with the 4th or 5th pick and still have a chance to snag an instant starter and difference maker.

 

[Brax]

Still spewing more nonsense? Don't you get tired of sounding ridiculous?

I think of building a winner not like Jerry playing favorites just like you. If you would spend 35-40 mill on Dak instead of 7-8 mill on a top 1-3 QB then you are stupid with the needs this team has, Jerry may be just as stupid but it doesn’t matter till the season is over. Think with your brain not your heart

 

[Miller]

I may Dak just for the fact that he seemed like the glue guy and the only one who cared. If we draft that high you take the biggest D stud out there and go. We have no disrupters

 

[Brax]

The cowboys aren’t going to get the #1 pick

Not sure it will be the second either

 

[SackMaster]

why do you say dalton failed miserably ? do you think this OL can make any QB look good? Dalton didn't even have zack martin . Do you realisticly think dak could have beat arizona or washington ?? Dalton had not chance and dak would not have had any chance. Don't forget when dak left the cowboys were also losing.

40 million in cap space is not to be understimated . This team needs every penny to fix this debacle.

Dak had been playing behind the same OTs, LG and C that Dalton was, but was able to lead the #1 offense in the NFL. Losing Martin was big, but even when he was in there, Dalton wasn't able to put a TD on the board.

So while I don't think this oline would not make just any QB look good, I do find it amusing that the oline was not nearly this big of an issue when Dak was playing.

Does that mean they win against the Cards or Washington? Against the Cards, probably not. But we probably beat Washington since their offense did not completely torch our D.

But if we lost both games, it would not be due to not being able to move the ball or score TDs. Our defense sucks, but somehow that is Dak's fault, right?

Sure, $40 million could be used to fix the D. But so can getting rid of the overrated, overpaid players we have on D WHILE keeping a Top-10 (at least) QB.

But instead of addressing the REAL problems, let's create even more holes to fill. After all, Top-10 QBs are E-A-S-Y to find.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Dak had been playing behind the same OTs, LG and C that Dalton was, but was able to lead the #1 offense in the NFL. Losing Martin was big, but even when he was in there, Dalton wasn't able to put a TD on the board.

So while I don't think this oline would not make just any QB look good, I do find it amusing that the oline was not nearly this big of an issue when Dak was playing.

Does that mean they win against the Cards or Washington? Against the Cards, probably not. But we probably beat Washington since their offense did not completely torch our D.

But if we lost both games, it would not be due to not being able to move the ball or score TDs. Our defense sucks, but somehow that is Dak's fault, right?

Sure, $40 million could be used to fix the D. But so can getting rid of the overrated, overpaid players we have on D WHILE keeping a Top-10 (at least) QB.

But instead of addressing the REAL problems, let's create even more holes to fill. After all, Top-10 QBs are E-A-S-Y to find.

Top 10 QBs are SO easy to find bruh...

They fall from the sky every Wednesday at noon. Just have to catch one.

 

[SackMaster]

Top 10 QBs are SO easy to find bruh...

They fall from the sky every Wednesday at noon. Just have to catch one.

Oh, my bad homie.

What the heck was I thinking?

 

[StylisticS]

We certainly do. With a defense as bad as ours, in a year with atrocious defenses all around, it's possible we don't win another game. 2 wins on the year is certainly enough to get us the first pick in the draft.

It’s no let us it’s the Jets. I really do think they have a shot at 0-16.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I think of building a winner not like Jerry playing favorites just like you. If you would spend 35-40 mill on Dak instead of 7-8 mill on a top 1-3 QB then you are stupid with the needs this team has, Jerry may be just as stupid but it doesn’t matter till the season is over. Think with your brain not your heart

Hey, numbnuts, Dak has proven himself since his rookie record setting year and developed into a top 5 overall QB. He's earned the right to keep leading this team. Jerry, Stephen, the coaches and especially the players wholeheartedly approve of Dak. Dak has proven he will give you 100% effort and improved production that helps the team. In other words, Dak is a bonafied guaranteed success as a franchise QB. Any rookie QB is not a guarantee but instead a total guess. You should learn about this.

 

[garyv]

Yikes! Looks like a big gamble that could backfire and be super costly. Don't listen to the hype. Watch and study film.

If Dak is able to fully recover and settle for a $35 mil/season contract, I say sign Dak longterm and use that early 1st round pick to either address the Defense or Oline, ...or trade down for extra draft picks to better address the many holes on this team. Drafting a rookie QB with that costly early 1st round pick will do nothing to fix the many problems on this team, especially if Dak is able to heal and come back.

What say you?

Start looking at the mental aspect of the player you draft would much rather have players that can fire their own selfs up not the ones that need a match lit under their azz

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

If teams have the same record, what is used to determine the draft position or do they still flip a coin?

 

[quickccc]

yeh ... Trevor will be tremendous " trade pick bait" on draft day for someone who desperately wants to move up and pick him

To move down just a few spots only from No.1 overall pick - i'll ask for a Jared Goff like package- 2 first rounds, two 2d rounders and two 3rd rounders

https://www.therams.com/news/countd... Los Angeles,on NFL Network's draft broadcast.

 

[TheKey]

GIve me Zack Wilson instead

 

[diamonddelts]

yeh ... Trevor will be tremendous " trade pick bait" on draft day for someone who desperately wants to move up and pick him

To move down just a few spots only from No.1 overall pick - i'll ask for a Jared Goff like package- 2 first rounds, two 2d rounders and two 3rd rounders

https://www.therams.com/news/countdown-to-the-draft-rams-2016-trade-jared-goff#:~:text=On April 14, 2016, the,in exchange for the No.&text=Two weeks later, Los Angeles,on NFL Network's draft broadcast.

You don't let go of a potentially generation changing talent. PERIOD.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

You don't let go of a potentially generation changing talent. PERIOD.

Yeah?

And you know this how?

We do have a franchise QB on the roster you do know right? To absolutely not entertain offers because you have objectively determined Lawrence is the next Peyton Manning is not smart. QBs are as much boom as they are bust. Hell, they bust more so. I remember Vinnie Testaverde was “can’t miss”. I remember Phillip Rivers was the supposed better prospect which is why the Chargers let 6’ tall Drew Brees go. Oops...

Again, we have a franchise QB. We don’t need another one

 

[diamonddelts]

Yeah?

And you know this how?

We do have a franchise QB on the roster you do know right? To absolutely not entertain offers because you have objectively determined Lawrence is the next Peyton Manning is not smart. QBs are as much boom as they are bust. Hell, they bust more so. I remember Vinnie Testaverde was “can’t miss”. I remember Phillip Rivers was the supposed better prospect which is why the Chargers let 6’ tall Drew Brees go. Oops...

Again, we have a franchise QB. We don’t need another one

There is a difference between a franchise quarterback and a potentially generation changing athlete which can alter the destiny of a franchise. Always roll the dice if you have a chance on the latter.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

And I like Lawrence as a prospect. He’s got some things that worry me that if he brings them over to the NFL they are going to be huge issues. When you’re talking physical tools he passes the eye test in spades. What’s between his ears is just as important though.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

There is a difference between a franchise quarterback and a potentially generation changing athlete which can alter the destiny of a franchise. Always roll the dice if you have a chance on the latter.

No. You don’t ALWAYS roll the dice in certain scenarios. That’s not an objective fact of the universe, let alone football. The context and backdrop of the team making the pick matter.

 

[SackMaster]

Yeah?

And you know this how?

We do have a franchise QB on the roster you do know right? To absolutely not entertain offers because you have objectively determined Lawrence is the next Peyton Manning is not smart. QBs are as much boom as they are bust. Hell, they bust more so. I remember Vinnie Testaverde was “can’t miss”. I remember Phillip Rivers was the supposed better prospect which is why the Chargers let 6’ tall Drew Brees go. Oops...

Again, we have a franchise QB. We don’t need another one

No, no, no.

Draft Lawrence this year, then when he can't elevate the team by himself, then call him a bum and draft the next "generational talent" QB in 5 years before giving Lawrence a bug deal.

After all, put Mahomes on THIS team, I'm sure he would not be "elite" enough to sign long term either.