Tank the season to go after Trevor Lawrence at QB? Thread **merged**

[CarolinaFathead]

In his first year, Prescott threw for 13 touchdowns and 4 interceptions against above-.500 teams and compiled a 6-3 record, including the playoffs. Since then, his touchdown-to-interception ratio is 25-25 and his record as a starter is 6-17. Last year, he had an 8/8 TD/INT ratio and the Cowboys went 1-6 against teams with an above-.500 record.

Of course, you may be asking yourself, well, how do other top-paid QBs fair against quality competition? How do Prescott's stats stack up against those in the pay range he's looking to break into? I'm happy you asked.

Against over-.500 teams both in the regular season and the playoffs (when applicable), Aaron Rodgers had a 12/4 ratio and 5-3 record last year. Russell Wilson had an 11/4 ratio and a 4-4 record. Kirk Cousins had a 15/6 ratio and a 3-5 record. Jared Goff's ratio was 6/6 and his record was 2-4. Tom Brady was 6/5 and 3-4.

Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Deshaun Watson, Prescott's QB contemporaries also up for new deals soon, had numbers of 20/4 and 5-2, 10/3 and 5-2 and 12/5 and 4-3, respectively.

Oh........uh...against teams with a .500 record or below, Prescott shines. His TD/INT ratio is 64/9 and his record is 29-5. Those are elite stats for sure, but they come against below-average competition. Of course, that's what good quarterbacks do: beat up on bad competition. But putting Prescott in that elite category doesn't fit based on his career performances against better teams thus far.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v

Yeah and he’s developed and gotten better every year. He’s clearly better now than he was was a rookie when his record was better against playoff teams. How do you explain that anomaly?

He’s not set in stone. You don’t trash and throw away your franchise QB because he’s not Pat Mahomes.

 

[amuze]

I know we’ve probably all thought about this pipe dream scenario —and what JJ would do about Dak.

But, it’s not happening. Sorry.

 

[garyo1954]

Yeah and he’s developed and gotten better every year.

He’s not set in stone. You don’t trash and throw away your franchise QB because he’s not Pat Mahomes.

Glad you asked. You're welcome!

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Glad you asked. You're welcome!

What did I ask?

Lol haven’t said anything lol

 

[garyo1954]

What did I ask?

Lol haven’t said anything lol

I won't quote post #344 for your edification, but you could look at it.....Hahahaha, Dak-aroo

 

[diamonddelts]

In his first year, Prescott threw for 13 touchdowns and 4 interceptions against above-.500 teams and compiled a 6-3 record, including the playoffs. Since then, his touchdown-to-interception ratio is 25-25 and his record as a starter is 6-17. Last year, he had an 8/8 TD/INT ratio and the Cowboys went 1-6 against teams with an above-.500 record.

Of course, you may be asking yourself, well, how do other top-paid QBs fair against quality competition? How do Prescott's stats stack up against those in the pay range he's looking to break into? I'm happy you asked.

Against over-.500 teams both in the regular season and the playoffs (when applicable), Aaron Rodgers had a 12/4 ratio and 5-3 record last year. Russell Wilson had an 11/4 ratio and a 4-4 record. Kirk Cousins had a 15/6 ratio and a 3-5 record. Jared Goff's ratio was 6/6 and his record was 2-4. Tom Brady was 6/5 and 3-4.

Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Deshaun Watson, Prescott's QB contemporaries also up for new deals soon, had numbers of 20/4 and 5-2, 10/3 and 5-2 and 12/5 and 4-3, respectively.

Oh........uh...against teams with a .500 record or below, Prescott shines. His TD/INT ratio is 64/9 and his record is 29-5. Those are elite stats for sure, but they come against below-average competition. Of course, that's what good quarterbacks do: beat up on bad competition. But putting Prescott in that elite category doesn't fit based on his career performances against better teams thus far.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v

Game, set, match to Gary.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Game, set, match to Gary.

No. Simply because Lawrence hasn’t played a single down of NFL football.

lol..

no matter how much you think you’re Nostradamus.

 

[LovinItAll]

Yikes! Looks like a big gamble that could backfire and be super costly. Don't listen to the hype. Watch and study film.

If Dak is able to fully recover and settle for a $35 mil/season contract, I say sign Dak longterm and use that early 1st round pick to either address the Defense or Oline, ...or trade down for extra draft picks to better address the many holes on this team. Drafting a rookie QB with that costly early 1st round pick will do nothing to fix the many problems on this team, especially if Dak is able to heal and come back.

What say you?

Dak wouldn't sign for $35MM before and he's sure not signing for it now. If anything, his number is going up after watching the team become uncompetitive without him.

Total catches for Gallup and Lamb on Sunday: ZERO. Does anyone think both of those guys have zero catches if Dak is behind center?

 

[Reid1boys]

Sure but we don’t consider a Franchise Tag to be a “player under contract.” Perhaps you do.

See, thats the thing about going to law school. You try to deal with facts, and not what I "Consider." Fact is, Dak currently has a CONTRACT with the Dallas Cowboys. What I think doesnt really matter.

 

[baltcowboy]

With the way offenses are playing it might be smarter to go after Fields. I’m no GM but maybe if Fields is there you draft him, Dak is already franchised and you get on the phone with the Colts and see if you can get a first. Admit to yourself you’re rebuilding and unload the bad contracts. Heck IDK it sounds good so it’s prob not likely. We need two DT’s, 1 LB Safety and corner on D AND a young LT. That’s gonna be two drafts and some good moves in FA and a QB on a rookie contract can help

You know that Lawrence ran for a 60 yard touchdown against Chase Young and the Ohio State defense in the playoffs last year. Lawrence has some wiggle to him.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak wouldn't sign for $35MM before and he's sure not signing for it now. If anything, his number is going up after watching the team become uncompetitive without him.

Total catches for Gallup and Lamb on Sunday: ZERO. Does anyone think both of those guys have zero catches if Dak is behind center?

Dak had actually agreed to the $35 mil/year offer. It was the amount of years that he was unhappy about. Dak gave Stephen Jones a handshake promise to agree on the price while work on the length by season's end.

 

[Loso86]

Yikes! Looks like a big gamble that could backfire and be super costly. Don't listen to the hype. Watch and study film.

If Dak is able to fully recover and settle for a $35 mil/season contract, I say sign Dak longterm and use that early 1st round pick to either address the Defense or Oline, ...or trade down for extra draft picks to better address the many holes on this team. Drafting a rookie QB with that costly early 1st round pick will do nothing to fix the many problems on this team, especially if Dak is able to heal and come back.

What say you?

I personally would prefer Fields over him

 

[diamonddelts]

I personally would prefer Fields over him

Endeavor for Trevor or play in the fields of gold.

 

[CowboyinMD]

For those of you who are convinced that with a top 5 pick Dallas won't draft a QB, especially someone like Fields if he's still available...

Let's look at this from a financial standpoint, especially (potentially) going into CAP hell...

Option A: Let Dak and his $35-40 mil/year price tag walk, knowing that you have a rare opportunity to draft top 5, which could be parlayed to a bona-fide blue chip QB. And OH BY THE WAY sign that blue chipper, say Justin Fields, to a 4 year rookie contract making a LOT LESS that what Dak will command. See Ravens with Lamar Jackson, still on his rookie contract.

Option B: Sign Dak to another franchise tag, or extend him, paying at least $35 mil. Draft for the other needs.

I'm going with option A. If we were just "one defender away" or a "LT away" from a championship run, then I'd say yes, sign Dak. But we're not people. We've got too many holes to fill. Even at RB, we can no longer rely on Zeke going forward.

What I would do? Say goodbye to McCarthy and his staff, hire Urban, and let him begin building his coaching staff and players, knowing he's going to have a top 5 pick in each round.

Boom.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

For those of you who are convinced that with a top 5 pick Dallas won't draft a QB, especially someone like Fields if he's still available...

Let's look at this from a financial standpoint, especially (potentially) going into CAP hell...

Option A: Let Dak and his $35-40 mil/year price tag walk, knowing that you have a rare opportunity to draft top 5, which could be parlayed to a bona-fide blue chip QB. And OH BY THE WAY sign that blue chipper, say Justin Fields, to a 4 year rookie contract making a LOT LESS that what Dak will command. See Ravens with Lamar Jackson, still on his rookie contract.

Option B: Sign Dak to another franchise tag, or extend him, paying at least $35 mil. Draft for the other needs.

I'm going with option A. If we were just "one defender away" or a "LT away" from a championship run, then I'd say yes, sign Dak. But we're not people. We've got too many holes to fill. Even at RB, we can no longer rely on Zeke going forward.

What I would do? Say goodbye to McCarthy and his staff, hire Urban, and let him begin building his coaching staff and players, knowing he's going to have a top 5 pick in each round.

Boom.

That’s all potentially valid except for the part where a team desperate for a franchise QB offers a windfall of draft picks for a guy as talented as Lawrence. You entertain those offers. The FO would be stupid not to do so considering we already have a franchise QB in the roster.

 

[diamonddelts]

That’s all potentially valid except for the part where a team desperate for a franchise QB offers a windfall of draft picks for a guy as talented as Lawrence. You entertain those offers. The FO would be stupid not to do so.

Let me go ahead and end this debate for you. If you were to get this kings ransom of picks, who is your great football mind that is going to make use of them? Is Jimmy Johnson in the building? No you're stuck with Jerry Johnson as your general manager extraordinaire.

Over 25 years he could not put together one Super Bowl team. Nor could he put together a team that could get past the first round of the playoffs. Now somehow you think the worst general manager in the NFL is going to hit a homerun with your plethora of picks for Lawrence?

Zero logic. Case Closed. Debate over. Have a good night.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Let me go ahead and end this debate for you. If you were to get this kings ransom of picks, who is your great football mind that is going to make use of them? Is Jimmy Johnson in the building? No you're stuck with Jerry Johnson as your general manager extraordinaire.

Over 25 years he could not put together one Super Bowl team. Nor could he put together a team that could get past the first round of the playoffs. Now somehow you think the worst general manager in the NFL is going to hit a homerun with your plethora of picks for Lawrence?

Zero logic. Case Closed. Debate over. Have a good night.

lol so because Jerry is the GM, everybody associated with Dallas Cowboys should just quit.

Lmao..


Through reductio ad absurdum let’s follow this brilliant line of thinking to its ultimate conclusion.

Here goes..

You ready?

Since Jerry is the GM, do you expect him to surround Lawrence with the needed talent to do anything at all over the course of a career in Dallas?

Ergo we shouldn’t draft Lawrence!!

Genius!!

You just talked yourself out of drafting Lawrence!!

lol

 

[Diehardblues]

See, thats the thing about going to law school. You try to deal with facts, and not what I "Consider." Fact is, Dak currently has a CONTRACT with the Dallas Cowboys. What I think doesnt really matter.

I’m not sure what you think that means but being under contract and on a franchise tag aren’t the same.

 

[Jake]

Forget trying to win Sunday Night. Forget trying to win the division this season. Our Superbowl at this point is Trevor Lawrence..

Unfortunately... We may have watermelon kicked away our chance at an elite quarterback. 2 wins might be too many.

We have a couple of problems.

1. The team pushing these players to try and win these games.

2. The Jets are showing no signs of winning a game.

I'm struggling to find 1 win on this schedule.


Nov. 1 at Kansas City Chiefs
Nov. 9 New England Patriots
BYE
Nov. 22 at Los Angeles Chargers
Nov. 29 Miami Dolphins
Dec. 6 Las Vegas Raiders
Dec. 13 at Seattle Seahawks
Dec. 20 at Los Angeles Rams
Dec. 27 Cleveland Browns
Jan. 3 at New England Patriots

Hopefully the Jets will bring back Darnold and do their best to let him prove his value and the team pulls together and wins 3 games somehow.

Dallas needs to start Ben Dennucci.. Garret Gilbert.. Whoever.. Keep this Oline that might be the worst in history in place and let the defense do the rest.

We also need Justin Fields to have a really good season.. Like hopefully much better than Lawrence type of season. Lawrence struggling wouldn't be the worst thing too to help build the hype for Fields.

Then hopefully on draft day we can do whatever it takes to possibly move up a spot or 2 and get Lawrence. I'm sure Lawrence's agent would put a ton of pressure on the Jets to not select him as well if Dallas and Jerry Jones come calling.



This draft can send us 1 of 2 ways.. We either stay on the path of mediocrity and draft some "stud" defensive guy that has little impact on the outcomes of games or we turn this thing around and bring an electric player inside this building that is so desperately needed.

Right now this franchise needs hope and there is no hope on the way. With Lawrence in the house everything changes.

Potential elite QB for 5 years on a rookie deal is the way forward. Signing Dak and overcoming all of the other obstacles required for him to win a Championship just seems like wishful thinking.

Clemson Barbie, or anyone else you like, isn't going to save this franchise. Be honest with yourself. Idiots run the Dallas Cowboys.

If you want to enjoy a delusion while you can I understand. If you really think Blondie is going to save this team, well...you probably thought Dalton would do well.

You did, and we all know it. Put down the bong and go to bed, son.

 

[Jake]

Hmmmm you must be an SEC rival.

The folks have no clue if Lawrence will boom or bust.

Just another veiled Dak Hate thread

I couldn't care less about the SEC. Is this where I insert ?

Go to bed, genius. Adults are talking.