Jesse Holley: "Source tells me it's going to take 4 years more years for this team to shine."

[Pessimist_cowboy]

They have already said. Repeatedly that he will be signed. They had a deal at the deadline but ran out of time. Do you actually believe Dak wont be signed or do you not want him to be? And stop saying 40 million because he never asked for 40 million.

He will be franchised. That leaves every option open.

 

[CATCH17]

So your telling me you can't pay a QB and retain anyone else?

Kelce just signed a 4 year deal and Reek signed a 3 year in 2019. Then they also threw money away on Watkins.

Im not a cap guru, but how do you figure Mahomes has to go at it alone soon when everyone is signed? Didn't they also over pay for Hitchens and who else? Maybe its possible to stretch the cap more than you realize.

MAhomes still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. He got a 10 year extension.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hiding behind the "cap" because he dislikes the QB. Its really not hard to see.

He just cant handle the shame of Dak Prescott. Its eating him from the inside out.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You may want to look a that again.. I think they went to the Super Bowl in year 2. Pederson was year 2 but dude spent several years with Andy as the OC before getting the big chair. But the point is well made. It doesn't take 3-4 years to turn things around in the modern NFL. The right guy can do it in two years or less. Besides, whatever horrible record this team ends up with will not represent the true talent level of the team anyway since about 10-12 starters will be on IR by the time the season is done. The uniforms look the same but any sane fan knows that the team we're rolling out there on Sundays aint the Cowboys.

I thought Perderson was coaching high school football when they hired him? No?

 

[CowboyRoy]

MAhomes still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. He got a 10 year extension.

So are you now claiming that KC should have cut Mahomes? Should they not have paid him? Since he such a "difference maker" and all?

 

[CATCH17]

Hiding behind the "cap" because he dislikes the QB. Its really not hard to see.

I like Dak. He's a good solid QB and great leader.. Thanks for your straw man arguments and lack of comprehension skills though.

 

[phildadon86]

He will be franchised. That leaves every option open.

If they already had a deal in place prior to the deadline. I doubt he will be franchised.

 

[phildadon86]

I like Dak. He's a good solid QB and great leader.. Thanks for your straw man arguments and lack of comprehension skills though.

You cant comprehend simple statistics and you want me to actually read your posts? You said "Dak is better than Dalton and its not by much" Dalton has scored how many points in 2 games? Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that Martin is the difference maker to the tune of 30 points a game? Or that Dalton is garbage? And you are bringing up my comprehension skills? Look in the mirror friend. You have no idea what you are talking about and are still trying to prove you werent wrong. Using Jimmy Johnson as your crutch because you cant form your own argument.
Here ill make it simple. Yes or no.

Dak has never gone into a second half only putting up 50 yards of offense.

I dont want any of your excuses or anything. Just a yes or no answer.

 

[DallasDomination]

Teams rebuild in two years now... this isn’t 1980.

 

[kskboys]

Teams rebuild in two years now... this isn’t 1980.

Unless they trade away high draft picks.

 

[CATCH17]

So are you now claiming that KC should have cut Mahomes? Should they not have paid him? Since he such a "difference maker" and all?

lol what? Ok i'll play..

If a QB wins a title or they are actually elite then i'm fine with paying them.

IF you win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco on a rookie deal and you want to parade him around after it then by all means go ahead.


But rewarding guys who aren't truly elite players that have no hardware is absurd. That is what we have done. We've rewarded all of these players and they are showing how they respond when we reward failure.

 

[phildadon86]

lol what? Ok i'll play..

If a QB wins a title or they are actually elite then i'm fine with paying them.

IF you win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco on a rookie deal and you want to parade him around after it then by all means go ahead.


But rewarding guys who aren't truly elite players that have no hardware is absurd. That is what we have done. We've rewarded all of these players and they are showing how they respond when we reward failure.

So lets not pay Dak. The one guy that we now know is the heart and soul of this team. They have been lifeless since he left NY. And bring in a rookie, who will have to get to know the NFL and learn it etc and then in 4 years. Have to pay him too. And if he fails and busts (which happens a lot) then we are back in QB limbo. Or
We pay the guy who was on a record pace this year and give him a semblance of a defense that can hold a team to under 25 points a game and watch him win us a Superbowl. Hmmmm. Ill take option 2.

 

[CATCH17]

You cant comprehend simple statistics and you want me to actually read your posts? You said "Dak is better than Dalton and its not by much" Dalton has scored how many points in 2 games? Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that Martin is the difference maker to the tune of 30 points a game? Or that Dalton is garbage? And you are bringing up my comprehension skills? Look in the mirror friend. You have no idea what you are talking about and are still trying to prove you werent wrong. Using Jimmy Johnson as your crutch because you cant form your own argument.
Here ill make it simple. Yes or no.

Dak has never gone into a second half only putting up 50 yards of offense.

I dont want any of your excuses or anything. Just a yes or no answer.

If everything is optimal Dalton can win football games at the same rate as Dak.. Maybe a little worse but it will be close.

If he can't get anytime to throw, WR's dropping passes, Zeke fumbling.. Then yes.. He will suck.

Yes.. Dak lit up the worst pass defenses in football. The end result was still an L. With 4 picks and 2 or 3 fumbles too I might add..

We have more than 1 season to go off of.

Dak is better than Dalton. He just is. I don't deny it and never have.

But neither guy elevates the team to victory because neither guy is that kind of player.

 

[CowboyRoy]

lol what? Ok i'll play..

If a QB wins a title or they are actually elite then i'm fine with paying them.

IF you win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco on a rookie deal and you want to parade him around after it then by all means go ahead.


But rewarding guys who aren't truly elite players that have no hardware is absurd. That is what we have done. We've rewarded all of these players and they are showing how they respond when we reward failure.

So Flacco was elite?

So you cant tell if a QB is elite until they win a title? Do you even read what you write?

So the ONLY players that deserve to be resigned are players that win SB's?

Wow, so basically 90% of the league should never be resigned?

Thats some good stuff there Bozo.

 

[phildadon86]

If everything is optimal Dalton can win football games at the same rate as Dak.. Maybe a little worse but it will be close.

If he can't get anytime to throw, WR's dropping passes, Zeke fumbling.. Then yes.. He will suck.

Yes.. Dak lit up the worst pass defenses in football. The end result was still an L.

We have more than 1 season to go off of.

Dak is better than Dalton. He just is. I don't deny it and never have.

But neither guy elevates the team to victory because neither guy is that kind of player.

There you go again.

I asked you not to give me any of these excuses and crap. And just say yes or no.

You cant do it. Dalton sucked everytime the lights were on him in Cincy. EVERY TIME.

You just refuse to admit that the drop off between the 2 is huge and want to die on that hill. All the power to you. It commendable but you sound like you are clueless when it comes to football.

I will give you one more chance.

Simple answer. YES OR NO.

Has Dak ever gone into a second half after only putting up 50 yards of offense.

YES OR NO?

 

[CowboyoWales]

So your telling me you can't pay a QB and retain anyone else?

Kelce just signed a 4 year deal and Reek signed a 3 year in 2019. Then they also threw money away on Watkins.

Im not a cap guru, but how do you figure Mahomes has to go at it alone soon when everyone is signed? Didn't they also over pay for Hitchens and who else? Maybe its possible to stretch the cap more than you realize.

It's how the contracts are structured.

If you take Mahomes. Kelcie and Hill combined they make: $54m in 2021 and $58m 2022.

Compare that with Dak (if tagged), Cooper, Jarwin $65m in 2021 and $82 in 2022.

As @CowboyRoy, says above, the only way to reduce that figure is to sign Dak to a long contract.

 

[CATCH17]

So Flacco was elite?

So you cant tell if a QB is elite until they win a title? Do you even read what you write?

So the ONLY players that deserve to be resigned are players that win SB's?

Wow, so basically 90% of the league should never be resigned?

Thats some good stuff there Bozo.

Dude I just can't with you.. I'm sorry. lol

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dude I just can't with you.. I'm sorry. lol

Great comeback Bozo!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

WOW. Sounds like a rebuild to me. Not thrilled that we have players on this roster that shouldn't be playing the NFL period!

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/hangin-with-the-boys-like-an-old-carburetor

who is jesse holley?

 

[Blitzen]

WOW. Sounds like a rebuild to me. Not thrilled that we have players on this roster that shouldn't be playing the NFL period!

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/hangin-with-the-boys-like-an-old-carburetor

Good luck convincing the homers of this. Jerry could come out and say this and they would question whether he actually meant it. Most teams need multiple (like 4 to 5) years to assemble the talent necessary to compete for a championship. It takes time, luck, and extremely shrewd decision making.

The team was 1-3 (miraculously) with Dak and about to beat the Giants with Dak (though the team was struggling overall).

The team has very few players on defense to build with. Demarcus Lawrence is good, but obviously is not impacting a game like Aaron Donald or Khalil Mack or Vonn Miller.

I think others have a fair point in assessing the situation as longer than shorter. If the next draft yields 3-4 superstars on defense and another starting left tackle, the team can turn it around sooner. Not very probable though. The team will not be able to pay for even one superstar besides Dak's contact, which means signing solid contributors is the best outcome (with regards to addressing needs in free agency).

Anyone counting on health along the offensive line next year is keeping their head in the sand. Tyron in particular cannot be counted on to play even the bulk of the games considering past history.

Anyone screaming to pay big money to Dak considering how much better he has played compared with Dalton and also considering this injury is not being objective. The team would do well to consider the future without him if they assess a very low chance at competing for a title in the next few years.

One thing I will say that seems to carry weight is how much better most QB's look (in particular 1st year starting QB's) when they get an entire year to learn a system and watch from the sidelines. This is even better with an excellent coach or if the current starting QB is elite. Yes pedigree matters, but decent protection seems to be a must-no matter who is back there. It's almost like the team should build at least a decent line before putting a rookie out there. I've seen numerous young QB's ruined from poor protection and little investment in any playmaking receivers.