Game turned when they put Zeke back in for Pollard

[QuincyCarterEra]

It's also 100% true. Pollard was dropped for a loss 3 times and since I looked last night they have changed one of his runs to a no gain.. So 0 or less on 4 of his 9 carries. Good luck sustaining any kind of offense with that kind of production. He was equally likely to get stuffed for a loss as he was to break a big one. You can't win like that. At least not consistently. I have said repeatedly that Pollard's style is actually better suited for the offense the way it's currently being run. We can't block inside so our best chance for a big run is getting to the edge and hamstrung Zeke aint gittin to the edges with any regularity. If we are not going to be a power running team then we don't need a power back.

He said Pollard seems to go down on first contact "A LOT", Pollard actually has a much better yards after contact per attempt. So no, it is not 100% true as Pollard is one of the better backs in the league in that category.

He then said Zeke should be the engine, also 100% wrong and stupid lol.

Then the next claim was Zeke was the reason for our 2016 success. We went from McFadden putting up gaudy numbers on a per game basis in 2015, but having garbage at QB and going 3-13, and he thinks we went from 3-13 to 13-3 because of going from McFadden to Zeke and not from the revolving trash cans at QB to Dak? I mean what the hell are we doing here guys? This is elementary level football stuff.

If you thought it was 100% correct, you need to reflect internally.

 

[RonnieT24]

This. Only one RB this season has more than one 40+ yard carry. Miles Sanders. Daniel Jones, yes Daniel Jones, is the only other player in the league with multiple 40 yd runs. 20+ yd runs is probably a better indicator of "big play" runs. When you look at those runs, only 3 RB's have more than 5 or more 20+ yd runs. Chubb, Kamara and Cook.

It fascinates me the number of people who watch the game placing a higher value on highlights than on winning. You would think fans of a team that featured Emmitt Smith, perhaps the ultimate move the chains back in the history of the NFL, would have a greater appreciation.. But as I said before.. these same fans called for more of Michael Wiley, Sherman Williams and Troy Hambrick to replace Emmitt because they came in and looked spry and "explosive" after Emmitt had done the heavy lifting. If they haven't learned it in 25 years they aint gonna.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It fascinates me the number of people who watch the game placing a higher value on highlights than on winning. You would think fans of a team that featured Emmitt Smith, perhaps the ultimate move the chains back in the history of the NFL, would have a greater appreciation.. But as I said before.. these same fans called for more of Michael Wiley, Sherman Williams and Troy Hambrick to replace Emmitt because they came in and looked spry and "explosive" after Emmitt had done the heavy lifting. If they haven't learned it in 25 years they aint gonna.

You're the one that hasn't adapted as the game has evolved, and it doesn't appear you will any time soon.

Pollard leads Zeke in the following criteria:
Yards after contact per attempt
Evaded tackles per attempt
Rushing ards per attempt by 25%
Fumbles obviously
While also being the better receiver

And your solution is to get Zeke more touches? I'm not sure you're ever gonna get it.

While also saying Pollard isn't the better player?

 

[Cowpolk]

Waaaaahhhh

 

[RonnieT24]

He said Pollard seems to go down on first contact "A LOT", Pollard actually has a much better yards after contact per attempt. So no, it is not 100% true as Pollard is one of the better backs in the league in that category.

Uh no..

So far this season Zeke is averaging 1.8 yards after contact per attempt.. Pollard is averaging 1.9. Not only is he not "one of the best in the league" he's not even in the top 50. So I will question your assessment of "much better." Zeke was averaging above 2.0 yards after contact coming into this game. Playing a game on one leg I fully expected all his averages to go down.. but I'm old school and give a guy points for going out at less than 100% and sacrificing his body for the team.

He then said Zeke should be the engine, also 100% wrong and stupid lol.

Then the next claim was Zeke was the reason for our 2016 success. We went from McFadden putting up gaudy numbers on a per game basis in 2015, but having garbage at QB and going 3-13, and he thinks we went from 3-13 to 13-3 because of going from McFadden to Zeke and not from the revolving trash cans at QB to Dak? I mean what the hell are we doing here guys? This is elementary level football stuff.

If you thought it was 100% correct, you need to reflect internally.

Never presume to know what another person thinks. Clearly the combination of Dak and Zeke TOGETHER turned our team around from '15 to '16. McFadden put up decent numbers in 2015.. but he had a whole 4 rushing TDs and was a long way from leading the league in rushing by 300 yards. His 2015 and Zeke's 2016 were not remotely comparable.

 

[INCowboysFan]

If you make Pollard the featured back, which he hasn't been since probably high school and wasn't at Memphis, you would see his numbers come crashing down. Teams would game plan for him and those numbers would come way down.

 

[Aviano90]

You're the one that hasn't adapted as the game has evolved, and it doesn't appear you will any time soon.

Pollard leads Zeke in the following criteria:
Yards after contact per attempt
Evaded tackles per attempt
Rushing ards per attempt by 25%
Fumbles obviously
While also being the better receiver

And your solution is to get Zeke more touches? I'm not sure you're ever gonna get it.

While also saying Pollard isn't the better player?

12 of Zeke's 18 rushing attempts went for 3 yards or less. Even if people want to believe Pollard looks more explosive than Zeke because Zeke wears out the defense first, our bell cow has to do better than that. That said, Pollard's two 20 yard runs yesterday occurred on our opening drives of the 1st and 2nd half. It's not like he got them on a worn out Steelers defense.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

12 of Zeke's 18 rushing attempts went for 3 yards or less. Even if people want to believe Pollard looks more explosive than Zeke because Zeke wears out the defense first, our bell cow has to do better than that. That said, Pollard's two 20 yard runs yesterday occurred on our opening drives of the 1st and 2nd half. It's not like he got them on a worn out Steelers defense.

None the arguments they use are coherent. None.

We hear Emmitt Smith as a defense for Zeke so often, because there are no real good arguments for Zeke's inefficiencies. Emmitt has absolutely nothing to do with Zeke outside of having been a running back for America's team.

 

[Aviano90]

None the arguments they use are coherent. None.

We hear Emmitt Smith as a defense for Zeke so often, because there are no real good arguments for Zeke's inefficiencies. Emmitt has absolutely nothing to do with Zeke outside of having been a running back for America's team.

Right. Plus Emmitt Smith could hit the big play. Zeke and Emmitt shouldn't ever be compared.

 

[RonnieT24]

12 of Zeke's 18 rushing attempts went for 3 yards or less. Even if people want to believe Pollard looks more explosive than Zeke because Zeke wears out the defense first, our bell cow has to do better than that. That said, Pollard's two 20 yard runs yesterday occurred on our opening drives of the 1st and 2nd half. It's not like he got them on a worn out Steelers defense.

Both came after Zeke had played the first 7-8 snaps of the drive. That's the whole idea behind the change of pace back.. You hit the defense with something completely different ... after wrestling with the bear you make them chase a deer. That's how it's SUPPOSED to work. Flipping the roles almost never works out. You point out that 12 of Zeke's carries went for 3 yards or less but you're apparently okay with 4 of Pollard's 9 carries going for 0 or less? Including 3 for negative yards? Which is one more than Zeke had on twice as many carries? As I said, Zeke's consistently getting positive yards almost regardless of what the defense was doing is valuable. If you think a guy getting dropped in the backfield on half his carries is good football then we're never going to see eye to eye on that. Real football doesn't work how it does on Madden.

 

[RonnieT24]

If you make Pollard the featured back, which he hasn't been since probably high school and wasn't at Memphis, you would see his numbers come crashing down. Teams would game plan for him and those numbers would come way down.

Nah apparently he will never get tired and get beat up and slow down. He's going to keep running 100 mph even running 15-20 times between the tackles.. Just watch..

 

[aria]

Lol...that is tempting, my hands are twitching!

You’re still ignoring my question CMAC because if you’re be truthful you would say no and when I asked why you would say he’s not worth it in your opinion and that would make you a hypocrite. It’s ok....I know.

 

[RonnieT24]

None the arguments they use are coherent. None.

We hear Emmitt Smith as a defense for Zeke so often, because there are no real good arguments for Zeke's inefficiencies. Emmitt has absolutely nothing to do with Zeke outside of having been a running back for America's team.

You know what's incoherent? Claiming a guy who does not even rank in the top 50 in a category one of the better backs in the league ..

Remember who said this: "He said Pollard seems to go down on first contact "A LOT", Pollard actually has a much better yards after contact per attempt. So no, it is not 100% true as Pollard is one of the better backs in the league in that category."

 

[aria]

Both came after Zeke had played the first 7-8 snaps of the drive. That's the whole idea behind the change of pace back.. You hit the defense with something completely different ... after wrestling with the bear you make them chase a deer. That's how it's SUPPOSED to work. Flipping the roles almost never works out. You point out that 12 of Zeke's carries went for 3 yards or less but you're apparently okay with 4 of Pollard's 9 carries going for 0 or less? Including 3 for negative yards? Which is one more than Zeke had on twice as many carries? As I said, Zeke's consistently getting positive yards almost regardless of what the defense was doing is valuable. If you think a guy getting dropped in the backfield on half his carries is good football then we're never going to see eye to eye on that. Real football doesn't work how it does on Madden.

So in other words we could have paid a fullback for pennies on the dollar of zekes contract and got the same results? A bruiser who runs straight ahead into the opposing defenders for a couple yards just to wear them down. Now I finally get why we paid him so much and why he’s such a team player! It’s ll coming together, thanks for clarifying his role.

 

[Aviano90]

Both came after Zeke had played the first 7-8 snaps of the drive. That's the whole idea behind the change of pace back.. You hit the defense with something completely different ... after wrestling with the bear you make them chase a deer. That's how it's SUPPOSED to work. Flipping the roles almost never works out. You point out that 12 of Zeke's carries went for 3 yards or less but you're apparently okay with 4 of Pollard's 9 carries going for 0 or less? Including 3 for negative yards? Which is one more than Zeke had on twice as many carries? As I said, Zeke's consistently getting positive yards almost regardless of what the defense was doing is valuable. If you think a guy getting dropped in the backfield on half his carries is good football then we're never going to see eye to eye on that. Real football doesn't work how it does on Madden.

When you’re inefficient running the ball, it helps to occasionally get big plays to offset. Zeke doesn’t have it in the tank. At least Pollard shows the ability to eventually break through.

 

[RonnieT24]

When you’re inefficient running the ball, it helps to occasionally get big plays to offset. Zeke doesn’t have it in the tank. At least Pollard shows the ability to eventually break through.

But does he? As you pointed out his two longest carries were his first carries in each half. After which he went back to being a mere mortal. It would be different if he had taken one of them to the house but breaking off a nice long run then following it up with a TFL accomplishes nothing except getting people excited. Everybody remembers the long run.. nobody remembers the TFL followed by 2nd and 12 then the whiff on blitz pickup leading to a sack or a poor throw under duress.

 

[Aviano90]

But does he? As you pointed out his two longest carries were his first carries in each half. After which he went back to being a mere mortal. It would be different if he had taken one of them to the house but breaking off a nice long run then following it up with a TFL accomplishes nothing except getting people excited. Everybody remembers the long run.. nobody remembers the TFL followed by 2nd and 12 then the whiff on blitz pickup leading to a sack or a poor throw under duress.

3 of his 9 carries were longer than Zeke’s longest run of the day. Yes, it is breaking through. I’ll take Pollards performance over Zeke’s yesterday. Zeke was getting stuffed too.

Zeke’s best runs, 10, 8, 5 yards. Pollard’s 20, 20, 12.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You know what's incoherent? Claiming a guy who does not even rank in the top 50 in a category one of the better backs in the league ..

Remember who said this: "He said Pollard seems to go down on first contact "A LOT", Pollard actually has a much better yards after contact per attempt. So no, it is not 100% true as Pollard is one of the better backs in the league in that category."

I said he was one of the better backs in the league in that category, which is an undenable fact. I didn't call him one of the better backs in the league in general.

This just keeps getting worse for you.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You know what's incoherent? Claiming a guy who does not even rank in the top 50 in a category one of the better backs in the league ..

Remember who said this: "He said Pollard seems to go down on first contact "A LOT", Pollard actually has a much better yards after contact per attempt. So no, it is not 100% true as Pollard is one of the better backs in the league in that category."

Here you go buttercup

 

[bigE79]

HERE'S ZEKE'S ISSUE: He's a power center runner, but you need an oline. He has almost no finesse. He always has gained weigh. Now, whether that's muscle or he's been fed too much, that's to be debated. He also attracts attention. When Pollard is in there, the defense 75% of the time will play to the pass, so he's able to break a couple. He's also faster and can juke. This goes back something we said about DeMarco Murray... "Is it him or the Oline" Zeke get's hit twice before the line of scrimmage. He was coached to be patient and let the lane open. You can't do that now with this line. You gotta go fast and hit the lane no matter what. Nothing's going to open up.

Should have kept Dmurray..he was still young and in his prime..and was always in shape,and never had to worry about off season issues.