Game turned when they put Zeke back in for Pollard

[jnday]

i don't know what's gotten into zeke, but Pollard looks way more explosive

If you notice, Zeke can no longer hurdle defenders or even get outside quick enough to have the chance to hurdle them. He has lost his power as well and it only takes a single defender to tackle him. Add in the habit of fumbling that has hurt the team dramatically, and it is easy to see that Zeke is in decline. He has lost the ability to break long runs and he has had more than his fair share of opportunities.

 

[Aviano90]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometime. He has to hit a big play one of these years.

 

[RonnieT24]

It is very obvious to all that since both Prescott and Elliott came to the Cowboys in 2016 and for the next 2 years the Cowboys were know as a run first team. Now you seem to be a big Elliott fan and another user pointed out a very interesting fact. Prescott and the Cowboys have won more games that Elliott didn't play than Elliott and the Cowboys have won without Prescott playing So maybe Elliott isn't as necessary as you seem to think. I will say it was a nice surprise that yesterday Elliott didn't fumble so that is a good point for him, but as much as he has coughed the ball up this season he needs a lot more than one game of not doing it.
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There you go thinking for me again.. Try to refrain from doing that.. You have no idea what I think.. In fact I am pretty sure I have stated plainly that this team has been shifting away from depending on Zeke toward depending on Dak over the past three seasons and posted the numbers to show it. So construct another brain dead strawman using your mind reading powers on someone else. It might surprise you to know that Zeke hasn't fumbled since the Cardinals game.. when he addressed the team, apologized and vowed to do better. Since you apparently didn't know that may I assume you didn't watch the last three games? By the way I pointed out two years ago that Dak had won his last four starts without Zeke after losing the first three. That team from three years ago could survive losing Dak better than it could Zeke because it was built around Zeke and Dak was not ready to carry the load at that point. This team was built around Dak, not Zeke, which is why it has circled the drain in very similar fashion to what it did in 2017 without Zeke. The bottom line is our coaches and front office need to get better at having a plan B. I think McCarthy is better at it than Garrett was but having no offseason with a new team has basically kneecapped him. I fully expect this team to be much better prepared to deal with adversity in coming years than in the past.

 

[Loso86]

I would you 100% call him Zeke Idiot


LOL........Zeke the engine? He is getting EVERY opportunity to be the engine with Dak out and he is failing miserably.

Sure you would, and tough to be THE engine with 3rd string Tackles a weak lg and rookie C. Oh and the defense knows we have to run with the qbs we have sooooo while some may call those excuses I call them facts. Oh yea and most games were down alot early so have to pass pass pass

Its pretty obvious that 2016 was a false positive. Analysts have gone back and looked and come to conclusion that Zeke was running through holes so big in 2016 that he often wasnt touched until 10 yards downfield.

 

[RonnieT24]

I would you 100% call him Zeke Idiot


LOL........Zeke the engine? He is getting EVERY opportunity to be the engine with Dak out and he is failing miserably.

Its pretty obvious that 2016 was a false positive. Analysts have gone back and looked and come to conclusion that Zeke was running through holes so big in 2016 that he often wasnt touched until 10 yards downfield.

So people have gone back in time and rewritten history to discredit what Zeke accomplished? What the hell for? That makes no sense to me. And how do these revisionist historians explain his leading the NFL in rushing despite the o-line suffering a major dropoff in 2018.. Sunspots? Alien abduction? With Tyron missing 3 games, Zack missing 2 games, Fredbeard missing an entire season, Williams getting ragdolled like the rookie he was, Collins adapting to a new position in some ways that year was more impressive than his rookie season because he had to work much harder to get work done that year. But I suppose some "analysts" will go back and find a way to explain away all the great things he did that year as well.

 

[gjkoeppen]

There you go thinking for me again.. Try to refrain from doing that.. You have no idea what I think.. In fact I am pretty sure I have stated plainly that this team has been shifting away from depending on Zeke toward depending on Dak over the past three seasons and posted the numbers to show it. So construct another brain dead strawman using your mind reading powers on someone else. It might surprise you to know that Zeke hasn't fumbled since the Cardinals game.. when he addressed the team, apologized and vowed to do better. Since you apparently didn't know that may I assume you didn't watch the last three games? By the way I pointed out two years ago that Dak had won his last four starts without Zeke after losing the first three. That team from three years ago could survive losing Dak better than it could Zeke because it was built around Zeke and Dak was not ready to carry the load at that point. This team was built around Dak, not Zeke, which is why it has circled the drain in very similar fashion to what it did in 2017 without Zeke. The bottom line is our coaches and front office need to get better at having a plan B. I think McCarthy is better at it than Garrett was but having no offseason with a new team has basically kneecapped him. I fully expect this team to be much better prepared to deal with adversity in coming years than in the past.

I didn't assume you of not watching ANYTHING. I did make an assumption that you are an Elliott fan because you posted several comment making excuses for him. Your assertion that Prescott wasn't prepared to carry the load from 3 years ago but when both were rookies it was Prescott that was offensive rookie of the year not Elliott. Now Elliott led the league in rushing but Prescott set an NFL record and yes that was longer than 3 years ago but this shows up your excuses to prop up Elliott. Here's a fact for you on Elliott. His production has been less every year since his rookie season. Now during the same time Prescott has gotten better yet you claim that the Cowboys could 3 years ago withstand the loss of Prescott better than Elliott even though Elliot's production was reducing.

Your MO is clear, if anyone disagrees with you the first thing you do is attack the person thinking that somehow makes your replies mean more. Your entire rant started this time because it was pointed out that the Cowboys have won more games when Prescott didn't have Elliott than when Elliott didn't have Prescott. You said that in the past you have said that the Cowboys have turned into a more passing team but when Elliott miss those 6 games it was Prescott's and Elliott's 2nd season and the Cowboys were still considered a run first team yet Prescott and the Cowboys adjusted and won more games than when Prescott hasn't played and Elliott was not able to take over games.

You don't want to discuss things you just want to attack the person. Don't bother to reply because I'll just ignore it.
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[Aviano90]

I didn't assume you of not watching ANYTHING. I did make an assumption that you are an Elliott fan because you posted several comment making excuses for him. Your assertion that Prescott wasn't prepared to carry the load from 3 years ago but when both were rookies it was Prescott that was offensive rookie of the year not Elliott. Now Elliott led the league in rushing but Prescott set an NFL record and yes that was longer than 3 years ago but this shows up your excuses to prop up Elliott. Here's a fact for you on Elliott. His production has been less every year since his rookie season. Now during the same time Prescott has gotten better yet you claim that the Cowboys could 3 years ago withstand the loss of Prescott better than Elliott even though Elliot's production was reducing.

Your MO is clear, if anyone disagrees with you the first thing you do is attack the person thinking that somehow makes your replies mean more. Your entire rant started this time because it was pointed out that the Cowboys have won more games when Prescott didn't have Elliott than when Elliott didn't have Prescott. You said that in the past you have said that the Cowboys have turned into a more passing team but when Elliott miss those 6 games it was Prescott's and Elliott's 2nd season and the Cowboys were still considered a run first team yet Prescott and the Cowboys adjusted and won more games than when Prescott hasn't played and Elliott was not able to take over games.

You don't want to discuss things you just want to attack the person. Don't bother to reply because I'll just ignore it.
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@RonnieT24 and I disagree and he didn’t attack me.

 

[Hadenough]

i don't know what's gotten into zeke, but Pollard looks way more explosive

Totally agree! Zeke looks like he is worn out. His vision isnt there, his speed isnt there and he just appears like he has to push himself so hard just to play half decent.

 

[Cmac]

Mac, why couldn’t you give me a simple yes or no answer?

So because the Rams set a new “market value”, which they almost immediately regretted and were scoffed at for around the league, means you automatically supported zeke’s contract?

The Rams screwed up big time, so we should have to as well because you think zeke was worth more or equivalent money than the obscene amount the Rams gave Gurley?

That’s absurd. On top of that, when you over pay for market value you expect to get what you paid for, zeke hasn’t been worth half of what he was paid.

Take a look a Henry’s contract, that was appropriate IMO and it’s part of the reason why the Titans are a better managed team and a better team overall.

Are you going to rescind Henry's contract if he falls off in numbers.....gets in a slump, gets too comfortable for your liking, or perhaps get a OC that fazes him out the scheme, a bit? (Now I guess you'll spin this back at Zeke, but let's try hypothetical)

As for the Rams (and you forgot Wentz)…..those two QB did set a value for Dak to wager against. Can't fault Dak or the 'Boys for that.

It appears you sound like you don't have one problem with a RB leading in carries, leading in yardage, at the lower tier in pay, as his market value grows. And quick to whine about the pay, if a RB says let's try market value or so, as you've seen the numbers produced very favorably...... but the moment something changes (injury, scheme, OL falters, QB shuffling), you want to tear a contract up, and pay by the hour. Now think about that for any RB that's not named Zeke, whose "playing span" is typically short in the NFL. Throw enough against the wall, and something just might stick.

 

[Typhus]

I dont know what the issue is,, we build around a franchise RB,,, isnt that what every successful franchise in the NFL does?

 

[Typhus]

Totally agree! Zeke looks like he is worn out. His vision isnt there, his speed isnt there and he just appears like he has to push himself so hard just to play half decent.

He got payed,,, this FO doesnt have the ability up stairs to make the critical franchise contract decisions,, they prove it every season,,, why fans cant understand this is comical at this point.

 

[Cmac]

Mac, why couldn’t you give me a simple yes or no answer?

So because the Rams set a new “market value”, which they almost immediately regretted and were scoffed at for around the league, means you automatically supported zeke’s contract?

The Rams screwed up big time, so we should have to as well because you think zeke was worth more or equivalent money than the obscene amount the Rams gave Gurley?

That’s absurd. On top of that, when you over pay for market value you expect to get what you paid for, zeke hasn’t been worth half of what he was paid.

Take a look a Henry’s contract, that was appropriate IMO and it’s part of the reason why the Titans are a better managed team and a better team overall.

Aria....

- You were ready to call Zeke scared and a loser for not willing to play against the Steeler D.
- You wanted a hamstring tear that would require surgery, when hamstring strain surfaced.
Zeke plays.....now he's a momentum killer.

- Pollard runs fairly well with some splash plays
- Pollard comes out, because Zeke takes him out? or KMoore's packages?
RBs get 6 targets in the passing game....Pollard has 1 catch for 1 yd. Zeke fault again.
Pollard no where in sight in a hurry up offense. Hmmm. Zeke or KMoore?

Ooops…..and Zeke's $$$ resurfaces.....again?
And you can't understand this franchise is dysfunctional?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I think that's a load of crap and if Pollard got the full time duty he would outperform Zeke easily. We can sign a guy off the street right now for pennies that's as good as Zeke on 3ed and 1..that's not a great defense of the player lol

You're entitled to your opinion...

 

[aria]

Are you going to rescind Henry's contract if he falls off in numbers.....gets in a slump, gets too comfortable for your liking, or perhaps get a OC that fazes him out the scheme, a bit? (Now I guess you'll spin this back at Zeke, but let's try hypothetical)

As for the Rams (and you forgot Wentz)…..those two QB did set a value for Dak to wager against. Can't fault Dak or the 'Boys for that.

It appears you sound like you don't have one problem with a RB leading in carries, leading in yardage, at the lower tier in pay, as his market value grows. And quick to whine about the pay, if a RB says let's try market value or so, as you've seen the numbers produced very favorably...... but the moment something changes (injury, scheme, OL falters, QB shuffling), you want to tear a contract up, and pay by the hour. Now think about that for any RB that's not named Zeke, whose "playing span" is typically short in the NFL. Throw enough against the wall, and something just might stick.

Nope but I wouldn’t have lost nearly as much, his contract his much less of a risk, it’s literally half of what zeke makes.

I don’t fault Dak for that at all, Cowboys screwed him, and paying a good QB is a much more worthy investment than paying a RB.

You’re correct, I don’t have a problem with a RB making lower tier pay because they are much more easily replaceable, especially behind a good O line. We could have let zeke suck on his pacifier in Cabo and not paid him, picked up a FA to go with Pollard and not skipped a beat. Do you really think we would have done worse than 8-8 last year without zeke? What about this year? Do you think we would have won less games without zeke? We probably would have actually won a couple more because the other team wouldn’t be getting the ball as much.

 

[aria]

Aria....

- You were ready to call Zeke scared and a loser for not willing to play against the Steeler D.
- You wanted a hamstring tear that would require surgery, when hamstring strain surfaced.
Zeke plays.....now he's a momentum killer.

- Pollard runs fairly well with some splash plays
- Pollard comes out, because Zeke takes him out? or KMoore's packages?
RBs get 6 targets in the passing game....Pollard has 1 catch for 1 yd. Zeke fault again.
Pollard no where in sight in a hurry up offense. Hmmm. Zeke or KMoore?

Ooops…..and Zeke's $$$ resurfaces.....again?
And you can't understand this franchise is dysfunctional?

Speaking of grasping at straws, on thing I can’t stand is when people claim things I never said. There’s ony about one or two players in this league that I would want to see injured, because they have purposefully try to injure other players with dirty hits. I’m surprised you stooped so low and I’m done with your azz for saying I wanted zeke to tear his hamstring or have any type of injury.

 

[Cmac]

Speaking of grasping at straws, on thing I can’t stand is when people claim things I never said. There’s ony about one or two players in this league that I would want to see injured, because they have purposefully try to injure other players with dirty hits. I’m surprised you stooped so low and I’m done with your azz for saying I wanted zeke to tear his hamstring or have any type of injury.

OK.....you seemed as if there was more.....when Zeke was questionable (i.e. loser, scared against Pitt D), when in fact....he played.

 

[RonnieT24]

@RonnieT24 and I disagree and he didn’t attack me.

He was using his mind reading skills and read the attack directly from my brain though I never uttered any such words. I will attack false assertions, made up facts and erroneous assumptions all day.. Since I don't know any of you personally I try not to engage in any personal attacks. After all, I've been out of junior high for 45 years.. and I thought it was stupid even then.

 

[aikemirv]

I don't think Pollard would last a season as full time back. You would have to get a 2nd and 3rd RB like San Fran does which looks like how this offense is built anyway at this point

 

[RonnieT24]

I didn't assume you of not watching ANYTHING.

? I have no idea what this means..

I did make an assumption that you are an Elliott fan because you posted several comment making excuses for him.

I don't make excuses for anyone.. I analyze what I see based on the data before me..

Your assertion that Prescott wasn't prepared to carry the load from 3 years ago but when both were rookies it was Prescott that was offensive rookie of the year not Elliott. Now Elliott led the league in rushing but Prescott set an NFL record and yes that was longer than 3 years ago but this shows up your excuses to prop up Elliott.

You either failed math or live in a time warp.. Zeke led the league in rushing in 2018.. 2020 - 2018 = 2 .. as in TWO years ago.. not three. I could see with my own eyes in 2017 that Dak was not ready to carry the load.. Just as I have seen with my own eyes as he has developed into a QB who is more than capable of doing so and no one is happier about it than I. But nobody and I mean NOBODY can do it alone.. Not Zeke, not Dak, not Mahomes, not Brady, not Rodgers. I'm sorry if this stating this simple fact gets you all worked up. This team was built around the o-line and the running game in 2016 and 2017.. At the time it was recognized that we had a subpar defense and that we needed to run the ball and manage the clock to protect it. The team has been shifting to being built around Dak and the passing game over the past three years.. Which would be fine if we had paired that with a better defense. Instead we've allowed it to get worse.. So now, even though we can score more points and accumulate more yards with Dak.. we win less because now instead of being mediocre on defense we stink out loud. And now with no Dak with the offensive line in a shambles we can't go back to leaning on the running game.. BECAUSE WE CAN'T BLOCK and defenses have chuckled at our QB play with Dak.

Here's a fact for you on Elliott. His production has been less every year since his rookie season. Now during the same time Prescott has gotten better yet you claim that the Cowboys could 3 years ago withstand the loss of Prescott better than Elliott even though Elliot's production was reducing.

Here's another fact for you.. The suspension hist when Zeke was str8 up ballin.. HIs last4 games before Goodell benched him were 115, 147, 150, 93. He also scored 6 TDs in that stretch. The only reason his production went down that year is because he was forced away from the team for 6 weeks. Even with that he closed out the last two games of the season with 97 and 103.. He had to overcome a crappy start to the season with all the damn trips to court and back and forth to New York for an audience with Goodell's sorry *** but eventually he got rollin.. then when he did, Goodell dropped the hammer on him. I'm not here to adjudicate whether he did anything to that girl or not.. He probably deserved a suspension.. but 6 games after the NFL's own investigator concluded the chick was lying was heavy handed as hell.

Your MO is clear, if anyone disagrees with you the first thing you do is attack the person thinking that somehow makes your replies mean more. Your entire rant started this time because it was pointed out that the Cowboys have won more games when Prescott didn't have Elliott than when Elliott didn't have Prescott. You said that in the past you have said that the Cowboys have turned into a more passing team but when Elliott miss those 6 games it was Prescott's and Elliott's 2nd season and the Cowboys were still considered a run first team yet Prescott and the Cowboys adjusted and won more games than when Prescott hasn't played and Elliott was not able to take over games.

You don't want to discuss things you just want to attack the person. Don't bother to reply because I'll just ignore it.
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LOL..

The first person who said the Cowboys have won more games with Dak and without Zeke was me.. but you keep running with your fake narrative.. Fine if you want to ignore me because I disagree with you.. Take your ball and go home.. Watch me not give a rat's arse.

 

[quickccc]

Pollard...2 targets, 1 catch for 1 yard......something is wrong if you can't get Pollard on a LB or exploit him in the open field.

Kellen is just not efficient at designing and involving RBs in the pass game. Not creative or imaginative at all in that area.
No misdirection quick swings or flairs, no quick RB screens that used to be bread and butter with zeke in his quicker days

Kellen does well when using his WRs and TEs in the pass game - but when it comes to the RBs - forget it.
They either run the ball up in the middle ..or they blitz block. Moore limits them.
That's why I was counting so much on McCarthy's expertise in helping or taking over from Kellen in that area.