The case for going for Lawrence

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There is no case except for delusional “I want to lose” fans.
Did I say anything about intentionally losing? It looks like they do not need to tank to get into the top 5 or maybe higher.

And I disagree, this is about the "I want to win" fans and what have they won with Prescott? Truly elite QB's show up against the better competition and I just happen to think Lawrence is a better bet to be that.

Rocky, I've noticed that when posters use stats for Prescott, they go big picture. There's two sets of stats and the one against the stiffer competition are the only ones that matter. His stats are not good in that area.
 

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Here is the case..

He’s cheap and he’s a transcendent talent.
The only way all this discussion isnt moot is along the lines of what you mentioned yesterday....if he pulls an Elway/Eli move.

And at that....youd need a willing GM, and I dont think we have anything close to that.

Its frustrating because the team is really bad yet not really in contention for the generational talent that's out there due to circumstance.

I'm kinda Switzerland on this, but again I don't see Dallas being in a spot to get him at all.

Even if Lawrence publicly said something like....I'll only play for Dallas or I'm returning to school (which would never happen)....I doubt Jerry as much as tries to make it happen.

I don't mind Prescott and I think we have a shot to win with him, but like many other players, the Jones idiots think he is better than he actually is.
 

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I can see the argument for both Lawrence or Dak.

It’s not like the offense was bad with Dak. It was great. The defense was absolutely wretched, which was the real problem. Even an average defense and we would have been undefeated with Dak at the helm. Dak is the proven commodity, and Lawrence isn’t.

But, and I am a big Dak fan, but if Lawrence is there at your pick then you have to take him. It makes sense from a roster management and money management perspective. Dak has been nothing but class for us, but if Lawrence is there you let Dak walk.

If we ended up with the #2 pick I’d even go as far as to offer the #1 pick team (likely NYJ) future picks.
bbic, check the offense against the better teams. It wasn't great.
 

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Taking Lawrence is an all or nothing strategy. If he flops, or takes more than a couple of years to develop, then you'll lose players like T. Smith, etc. due to age or just not being able to sign all the free agents you have that are at or near the end of their contracts.

If you want to take the risk, fine. I can certainly see that view. But just keep in mind the "he's a transcendal quarterback":

From a highly respected website a few years ago:

"The apples of scouts' eyes this time around are Brady Quinn and JaMarcus Russell. Quinn is the All-American boy, a four-year starter at Notre Dame, with all the measurables that teams look for"

How'd that work out?
 

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First off, let me say that I like Dak Prescott, I think he is a very good, not great, QB, and even the Dakaters have to notice the team with and without him which is exactly my point. The team needs someone better at that position unless you believe this team's management is capable of doing something they haven't done in decades, build a team around a QB.

They haven't done it with Prescott as well as his predecessor and even admitted that, failed to build around Romo. The fact that they lucked into both of these QB's should also be considered.

There are two questions regarding Trevor Lawrence, three if you consider why he doesn't become an English actor with that name. But the main two are is he better than what the Cowboys have now and what will it take to get him away from the two teams, JAX and NYJ, that have him in their sights?

Now, we must also consider the considerable team that Swinney has built around Lawrence, just as he did Watson. That must be taken into account when considering Fields as well.

But for the sake of argument and this thread, Lawrence is a better QB now than Prescott has developed into and he has nothing but upside. He is the first QB since P. Manning to deliver on being the most highly recruited QB in his class. If you don't agree with this, then this thread doesn't make sense to you but I have watched a lot of Lawrence play the position and consider him the real deal.

The second question is a tough one because if the Cowboys do not end up with the 1st pick, trading up for it will be very expensive in draft capital. If that can even be done. JAX ends up with that and they'd have a hard time passing on Lawrence since he's played in the neighborhood and if they're in that position, we'll see the same response as we saw from the CIN fans when the season became all about Burrow.

OK, you can let me have it now but I just don't think Prescott is good enough to lift this team beyond a mid level team. They ranked #1 in offense and we're 8-8 and what did they look like this season with Prescott at the helm? Is it a risk? Absolutely, but isn't giving Prescott a 4 or 5 X 35-40M a year even a bigger risk when you consider who the team builders are?

This is not about Dak Prescott, I think there are teams he could take to the Big Dance. This is about trying to overcome what's been holding this team back for two and half decades, management.

And if you want to consider something else, this HC had one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL and the most accurate one I have ever seen and he could only get one ring and ended up canned and that team doing better without him.

McC has this rep as a QB guru but who wouldn't with those QB's? The better the QB, the better the guru.

All comes down to one simple question. Do you want more of the same or do you want to take a chance? This is about change but what needs to be changed, management, will not so what's the next best thing?

Some of you have Lawrence on the brain. Fields was the #1 recruit by some, Lawrence in others. You either haven't watched Fields play or don't understand what you see.

Better still, Fields isn't an obnoxious putz. Give me Fields over Lawrence all day and twice on Sunday.

Unfortunately, it's moot. Moving on from Dak to either of these guys is more risk than Booger & Son can stand, and they think Dak can win it all. He won't get away.
 

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I think a lot, that's why they're trying to keep his options open when the new rights to carry deal is in place.

My issue has never been with Prescott, he's earned his money and the right to negotiate for more. I just think the team needs to get into that QB elite area to overcome management.
I honestly think if they were to invest in the defense and O-line, Dak has the talent to get to and win a SB. As @xwalker pointed out, if Dak had even a slightly better than mediocre defense, he would've won most of the games, if not all of them.
 

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The only way all this discussion isnt moot is along the lines of what you mentioned yesterday....if he pulls an Elway/Eli move.

And at that....youd need a willing GM, and I dont think we have anything close to that.

Its frustrating because the team is really bad yet not really in contention for the generational talent that's out there due to circumstance.

I'm kinda Switzerland on this, but again I don't see Dallas being in a spot to get him at all.

Even if Lawrence publicly said something like....I'll only play for Dallas or I'm returning to school (which would never happen)....I doubt Jerry as much as tries to make it happen.

I don't mind Prescott and I think we have a shot to win with him, but like many other players, the Jones idiots think he is better than he actually is.
The problem I see is that the Jones idiots think that with too many other players. I think Prescott is good enough to get a good team to the Big Dance. But not this one because it's not a good team and I don't think it's going to get appreciably better.

When he was at Miss St, he had a better D than he's had with the Cowboys in his 5 years. That was the difference between Staubach/Aikman and Romo/Prescott, the teams built around them. I am not dumb enough to think these bozos can do that so the next best thing is a stud QB that can keep them in contention. Like a Fouts or Marino.
 

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Everyone should give up posting about getting Lawrence, Fields or Trask.
It will not happen. The backwoods boys in the FO already said so.
Until Prescott is under contract, everyone will keep posting about the highly-rated college QBs...especially if the Cowboys remain in the top 3 draft spot as the 2020 season winds down to its conclusion.
 

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That is exactly what I am saying. That idiot said this morning that Jaylon Smith is the cornerstone of this D. That should have us wanting them to trade the entire team and the boat to KC for Mahomes.

Ya know, a great chef can make a decent meal out of ordinary ingredients but they will all tell you that you start with the best ingredients. The management of this team are more like fry cooks than chefs.
lol they cook roast beef in with the french fries lol. and anything else, it all goes in the basket and into the hot oil, walla easy peasy.

If he thinks jaylon is the cornerstone of the D lol then we are in big trouble! They may draft all offense in the high rounds.
We will have to look at jaylon wandering around lost and out of the play for years and years.:facepalm:
 

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The problem I see is that the Jones idiots think that with too many other players. I think Prescott is good enough to get a good team to the Big Dance. But not this one because it's not a good team and I don't think it's going to get appreciably better.

When he was at Miss St, he had a better D than he's had with the Cowboys in his 5 years. That was the difference between Staubach/Aikman and Romo/Prescott, the teams built around them. I am not dumb enough to think these bozos can do that so the next best thing is a stud QB that can keep them in contention. Like a Fouts or Marino.
Not good examples if you want a SB ring.
 

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Until Prescott is under contract, everyone will keep posting about the highly-rated college QBs...especially if the Cowboys remain in the top 3 draft spot as the 2020 season winds down to its conclusion.

yeah I know, I just wanted to get in the "backwoods boys" comment as it seems the appropriate place. :muttley:

Heck, I will post about it as well most likely sometimes. But will see where we pick before I jump on or off the wagon to post more or less. :laugh:

Just trying to have some fun I guess.
 

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WE

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You realize we haven't given Dak a contract when he has been asking for one for 2 years now, yes? It's silly that you're pretending this is a sure thing. Stephen can come out and say whatever he wants, if Dak was the guy, he would have gotten a contract by now rather than squabbling over minor things.

We could certainly take a QB in the top 5 and let Dak walk.
 

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Many assume we'll be in any position to even have an opportunity to make a realistic pick that early. I'm sayin it won't happen. And the smartest thing this franchise can do with that early of a pick is to trade out of it for more draft picks to build the defense and/or for a trade for defensive players. We don't have a QB need. Or any offensive player other than the line. This is a perfect opportunity to go heavy on the defense. And not just this coming draft, but for future drafts.
This love affair folks have with Lawrence is silly to me. How many QBs have been labeled "transcendent" over the years only to become mediocre? Take time and make a fair and honest list.
 

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Some of you have Lawrence on the brain. Fields was the #1 recruit by some, Lawrence in others. You either haven't watched Fields play or don't understand what you see.

Better still, Fields isn't an obnoxious putz. Give me Fields over Lawrence all day and twice on Sunday.

Unfortunately, it's moot. Moving on from Dak to either of these guys is more risk than Booger & Son can stand, and they think Dak can win it all. He won't get away.
Fields is an excellent QB and I could go with him just as easily as I have watched him. I was thinking Lawrence because that suits the Jones' Draft Splash better because he has already been anointed the next P. Manning. Booger would sell more jerseys because Lawrence is a household name, even with people that don't follow college ball. I haven't seen enough of Lance from NDS to have an opinion. Kyle Trask might be the sleeper but people are waking up to him.

I think the "young gun" factor is really having an effect and while we do see the failures like Rosen, Trubisky, Haskins and Darnold, the Burrow, Herbert, Murray, Allen and Mahomes train is a runaway. Prescott is good, just not as good as they are.
 

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The only way all this discussion isnt moot is along the lines of what you mentioned yesterday....if he pulls an Elway/Eli move.

And at that....youd need a willing GM, and I dont think we have anything close to that.

Its frustrating because the team is really bad yet not really in contention for the generational talent that's out there due to circumstance.

I'm kinda Switzerland on this, but again I don't see Dallas being in a spot to get him at all.

Even if Lawrence publicly said something like....I'll only play for Dallas or I'm returning to school (which would never happen)....I doubt Jerry as much as tries to make it happen.

I don't mind Prescott and I think we have a shot to win with him, but like many other players, the Jones idiots think he is better than he actually is.

We have 2 wins. We could easily end up with the #1 pick in the draft. We also face the Jets this year. We already lost to the Skins as well.
 

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Did I say anything about intentionally losing? It looks like they do not need to tank to get into the top 5 or maybe higher.

And I disagree, this is about the "I want to win" fans and what have they won with Prescott? Truly elite QB's show up against the better competition and I just happen to think Lawrence is a better bet to be that.

Rocky, I've noticed that when posters use stats for Prescott, they go big picture. There's two sets of stats and the one against the stiffer competition are the only ones that matter. His stats are not good in that area.
Brady in his prime couldn't win with this defense of the last few years nor the injuries to the oline and bad coaching. This is not golf, this is football.
 

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Not good examples if you want a SB ring.
I am not a SB or bust fan, gave up on that. I will not see that in the rest of my lifetime so I am looking for some fun watching a stud QB.

You put Prescott on a good balanced team and I think he can get to a SB but on this team? No, have no illusions about that. Hell, the guy is throwing like a madman and was on a record pace this season and the team had a losing record. However, Dak must get rid of the same problem he had in college, Big Game Syndrome.
 

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The challenge will be trading down and getting that haul in a thin draft. They would haver to be in that #2 spot.

This is not the draft to have a lot of picks, only high ones. There are two blue chip OT's and DB's and other than that it is not good or deep.

The other question posters should ask themselves, "is this a good drafting team"? I'd say that's been fool's gold and more in the cockeyed optimist's point of view. A thin draft coupled with this brain trust isn't comforting when you consider they're bottom feeders in FA.

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