What is wrong with tanking?

[Aviano90]

You don’t want your players to quit
Many will be back next year
I don’t want the team to quit
Or to quit losing either lol

Exactly. The team just needs to continue being as bad as they have been. We don’t need them to tank.

 

[BrassCowboy]

That quitter is the only reason why we have seen a super bowl under Jerry.

You think we tanked 1989 season purposely? We robbed Minnesota in that trade but it is cause we "tanked" a year... OK.
Imagine if we tanked 1990 too instead of going 7-9 while we were at it, maybe we would of gotten 4 or 5 superbowls

Reality is we didn't "tank" 1989 but rather played to their ability as they did in 1990 and so on. They got better as they believed in what they were doing rather than just giving up every year

Good team management will never tank, only fans call for that so keep calling for it if you want. If the Cowboys actually listened, then they should not be running a McDonald's let alone a professional football team

 

[blueblood70]

So glad you feel compelled to respond to our lame posts.

its called balance, some of us around here need to be the voice of reason, a reality check because these forums start hemorrhaging toxicity..

nothing but negativity

 

[MWH1967]

Just play the young guys tell them to reach for the stars. Everyone is happy. Problem solved.

 

[Chuck 54]

There’s also tanking in the last game or two of the season to rest starters for the playoffs, which can also change your draft position a spot or two. No one cares when the team rests a healthy QB and WR. Dallas did that plenty over the years, not just injured players. I always hate that, but I understand it. Personally, I don’t believe teams truly tank until the final quarter of the season.

 

[Big_D]

You're exactly saying quit who the **** do you think you're kidding.

I know I’d rather have the pick than those 5 meaningless wins in 2010. Garrett made a living out of turning a great pick into a mediocre one while going no where! Solid plan! lol the team sucked ‘last year’ now ‘this year’ so the goal and focus should be on not sucking ‘next year’.

 

[Scotman]

So you hate Jimmy Johnson. Because that 1989 season that led to the Super bowl victories was what a tank job looks like. Especially when we traded Herschel for assets. It's convenient for ya'll to overlook that though. It's very similar to what Houston did in earlier that decade to land Hakeem and Ralph Sampson. They punted 3 seasons.

Actually, that season wasn't a tank at all. The offense scored almost 50% more points per game after Herschel Walker left than when he was here. The were barely managing 10 points a game with him and 15 a game without him. They traded away their best player, but there was no quit in the team or coaches at that point. Jimmy wasn't about tanking at all. I think (but could be wrong) that 89 is the year Johnson made the now infamous "asthma field" comment for a kicker not giving their all in practice.

As a fan, I don't want them to tank. Tanking and quitting are the same thing, IMO. I want no part of that. Ever.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

its called balance, some of us around here need to be the voice of reason, a reality check because these forums start hemorrhaging toxicity..

nothing but negativity

Ah. You are the voice of reason....

 

[kskboys]

You think we tanked 1989 season purposely? We robbed Minnesota in that trade but it is cause we "tanked" a year... OK.
Imagine if we tanked 1990 too instead of going 7-9 while we were at it, maybe we would of gotten 4 or 5 superbowls

Reality is we didn't "tank" 1989 but rather played to their ability as they did in 1990 and so on. They got better as they believed in what they were doing rather than just giving up every year

Good team management will never tank, only fans call for that so keep calling for it if you want. If the Cowboys actually listened, then they should not be running a McDonald's let alone a professional football team

Jimmy didn't play better players so he could get the draft picks. Smart tanking.

 

[kskboys]

Actually, that season wasn't a tank at all. The offense scored almost 50% more points per game after Herschel Walker left than when he was here. The were barely managing 10 points a game with him and 15 a game without him. They traded away their best player, but there was no quit in the team or coaches at that point. Jimmy wasn't about tanking at all. I think (but could be wrong) that 89 is the year Johnson made the now infamous "asthma field" comment for a kicker not giving their all in practice.

As a fan, I don't want them to tank. Tanking and quitting are the same thing, IMO. I want no part of that. Ever.

He wasn't? Then explain to me why he didn't play the players from that trade.

 

[RonnieT24]

Just play the young guys tell them to reach for the stars. Everyone is happy. Problem solved.

You think the old guy who get relegated to the bench just as they start to play better will be "happy?" You only get 16 games a year and the average career is about 60 games.. So you are proposing that guys be happy be robbed of what amounts 11-12% of their career games? Happy working their butts off all week so they can stand around on Sunday not playing? I repeat.. if you have to ask why you don't tank then you are pretty much guaranteed not to understand the answer. It's either in you or it isn't.

 

[kskboys]

Tanking is not on the players. Tanking is trading away valuable resources for future picks.

 

[blueblood70]

Actually, that season wasn't a tank at all. The offense scored almost 50% more points per game after Herschel Walker left than when he was here. The were barely managing 10 points a game with him and 15 a game without him. They traded away their best player, but there was no quit in the team or coaches at that point. Jimmy wasn't about tanking at all. I think (but could be wrong) that 89 is the year Johnson made the now infamous "asthma field" comment for a kicker not giving their all in practice.

As a fan, I don't want them to tank. Tanking and quitting are the same thing, IMO. I want no part of that. Ever.

its true, i can live with a organic lost season that turns into a high draft pick as losses are easier to get over , However no way I'm ever pull for losses, i watch the games in hopes they win..

it Sports and sports would be watered down if losing on purpose was tolerated..F tanking!!~

 

[Swanny]

Ethics in football went out the door around the time plastic helmets replaced leather helmets.

So, I say this: What's ethical about freezing a kicker? Or stashing healthy players on the injured unable to perform list?
Or coaches blowing smoke about their intended draftee and then choosing another?
What is ethical about fans making it impossible for the opposing QB to hear his cadence or a feigned injury to stop a clock? Or announcers breathlessly promoting an upcoming game between a 9-1 team against a 1-9 team?
Or deflated balls, stolen signals and sweetheart deals by municipalities to attract and keep NFL teams?

This proud rude boy from Leeds long ago gave up thinking there were ethics in professional NFL?

Me? I think of tanking as a strategic plan to make a football team better.
If you think tanking for 2021 is wrong, then I don't want to be right. So then go ahead enjoying your 8-8 seasons and the upcoming 3-13 season.

Holla and brings me a dollah!
Or holla and just owe me a dollar!

When fans can overlook PED use in the nfl then ethics certainly no longer matter. Tank baby tank

 

[kskboys]

its true, i can live with a organic lost season that turns into a high draft pick as losses are easier to get over , However no way I'm ever pull for losses, i watch the games in hopes they win..

it Sports and sports would be watered down if losing on purpose was tolerated..F tanking!!~

Several teams have tanked. You must do it legally. Often it doesn't work simply due to bad mgmt. Det for Stafford, INDY for Luck, and now MIA for Tua and a host of early draft picks. If MIA uses those picks wisely and Tua pans out, MI could easily be a super bowl contender very soon. Trading Herschel Walker was tanking. OAK tanked, not sure it's going to work out.

Texans tanked, but it was unintentional!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Big_D]

Tanking is not on the players. Tanking is trading away valuable resources for future picks.

There’s no long term thought process or plan! “Win now”! Cowboy fans still buy this garbage after 25 years of pure foolishness! There’s a constant rotation of improving your roster and it would be in the front office’s best interest to actually understand that aspect. They rather sit up in their skybox looking completely baffled... again... and again .... to infinity! lol Fool me once, fool the Joneses a thousand times!

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Teams can get a mentality, based on what happens. Doesn't have to be an intentional tank if you lose a lot, just human nature for a lot, maybe most, people that if you try and try and try, but it's not good enough, at some point your attitude can be poor, just get tired of losing and think there's no point in continuing to try.

Losing can breed losing, just as winning can breed losing. Didn't we hear Cowboys players saying years ago that they felt as long as Roger was in the game, there was a chance to win, even in the last few seconds? Why? Because he and the team had done it. They would try their best all the way to the end of the game because it was possible they could win.
How many here said the team "quit on Wade Phillips"? After some tough losses, that sentiment was rampant among Cowboys fans. Was it true? Maybe, maybe not.

I just don't like trying to lose games, too easy to get accustomed to the fat paycheck and lose the desire to really try hard...

 

[blueblood70]

Several teams have tanked. You must do it legally. Often it doesn't work simply due to bad mgmt. Det for Stafford, INDY for Luck, and now MIA for Tua and a host of early draft picks. If MIA uses those picks wisely and Tua pans out, MI could easily be a super bowl contender very soon. Trading Herschel Walker was tanking. OAK tanked, not sure it's going to work out.

Texans tanked, but it was unintentional!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no its not tanking is far different then organically losing and fans who support systematic tanking are Frauds..it no different then point shavings or players/coaches betting on their own games and making sure it comes out their way..it makes sports dirty and competitive spirit and pride is lost. Sports are pure when you mess that up by slanting the outcomes IN ANY WAY purposely, its tainted..

so dont try and spin it , there no positive's to purposely tanking..

stop trying to explain it to make it better..

if you lose putting in your best players available and calling the best plays and game plan to win, thats simply losing organically, NOT taking..MIA didnt tank they reorganized and prepared for the following year and actually played better down the stretch and got Tua what 5th overall NOT #1 they didnt try to be the first pick and landed at 5..they fell into tua because he slipped due to injurys and question marks..

Tua may turn out to be great, no one knows but herbert went 6th and might be better long term.. so fall where you fall draft well and hope for the ebst..no losing by design..

you play to win the game!!

 

[kskboys]

There’s no long term thought process or plan! “Win now”! Cowboy fans still buy this garbage after 25 years of pure foolishness! There’s a constant rotation of improving your roster and it would be in the front office’s best interest to actually understand that aspect. They rather sit up in their skybox looking completely baffled... again... and again .... to infinity! lol Fool me once, fool the Joneses a thousand times!

Can you even imagine turning down Antonio Cromartie in his prime for Tashard Choice? Refusing 2nd round picks for Mike Jenkins and Mary Weirdo?

 

[kskboys]

no its not tanking is far different then organically losing and fans who support systematic tanking are Frauds..it no different then point shavings or players/coaches betting on their own games and making sure it comes out their way..it makes sports dirty and competitive spirit and pride is lost. Sports are pure when you mess that up by slanting the outcomes IN ANY WAY purposely, its tainted..

so dont try and spin it , there no positive's to purposely tanking..

stop trying to explain it to make it better..

if you lose putting in your best players available and calling the best plays and game plan to win, thats simply losing organically, NOT taking..MIA didnt tank they reorganized and prepared for the following year and actually played better down the stretch and got Tua what 5th overall NOT #1 they didnt try to be the first pick and landed at 5..they fell into tua because he slipped due to injurys and question marks..

Tua may turn out to be great, no one knows but herbert went 6th and might be better long term.. so fall where you fall draft well and hope for the ebst..no losing by design..

you play to win the game!!

Ironic how you accuse me of spinning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, dude, if you don't see MIA as tanking, you need to pick a different sport, because you appear to have no understanding of this one.

MIA traded away their best players. C'moooooooooooonnnnnn......