MyFairLady
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This.We use to argue if Zeke was the best running back in the nfl, now it’s wether he is good or not.
This.We use to argue if Zeke was the best running back in the nfl, now it’s wether he is good or not.
Nothing about this team says anything positive. Why would you expect zeke to be having a career year? If dak has a career year this year and we were 4-12 would you give him 40 mill? And say he is the reason why we win? If so. Then you are promoting the very thing you are arguing against. Believe it or not sometimes players make more money for things other then their play on the field. Sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn’t. So would I say at this point in time zeke isn’t giving us our money’s worth, yes. But would I say he isn’t worth the money. No.
I get it you undervalue the RB position. But zeke is a good player that has chance to be great. You pay for talent sometimes and potential. Zeke has both.
Probably don't remember it because he fumbled and turned the ball over the last time he did it.I don't remember the last time Zeke had a run of 20+ yards. He can get you 3-4 yards with consistency but he is no longer a homerun threat. A poor decision by management to commit so many financial resources to a RB. I always wondered how a team with so many deficiencies as the Cowboys would invest a top 5 pick on a RB and then doubles down by dumping a bunch of cash on an extension. This franchise is not bad by coincidence, is all systematic.
His signing was a mistake.
His contract was signed before the 2019 season. His 3 prior seasons he was the NFL rushing champ twice, 1,631 and 1,434 yards, 5.1 and 4.7 ypc, in his two full years. Extrapolating his other year over 16 games (remember he was suspended, nothing to do with ability on the field) he would have had 1,572 yards and 11 tds.
At the time of the contract, that was not a mistake, in the sense of it was an obvious no-no. (No 20-20 hindsight allowed). Did some say you shouldn't have done it at the time?
Sure, and if you were one of those I can see why you said that, and you may well be proven right, and kudos to you for saying it.
But it could have also worked out well, if a lot of different things had happened, like Romo not being hurt so much, e.g.
Maybe bad judgment on Jerry's part, but I wouldn't call in a mistake, based on evidence available at the time...
His contract was signed before the 2019 season. His 3 prior seasons he was the NFL rushing champ twice, 1,631 and 1,434 yards, 5.1 and 4.7 ypc, in his two full years. Extrapolating his other year over 16 games (remember he was suspended, nothing to do with ability on the field) he would have had 1,572 yards and 11 tds.
At the time of the contract, that was not a mistake, in the sense of it was an obvious no-no. (No 20-20 hindsight allowed). Did some say you shouldn't have done it at the time?
Sure, and if you were one of those I can see why you said that, and you may well be proven right, and kudos to you for saying it.
But it could have also worked out well, if a lot of different things had happened, like Romo not being hurt so much, e.g.
Maybe bad judgment on Jerry's part, but I wouldn't call in a mistake, based on evidence available at the time...
That’s just a knee jerk reaction to one bad season. All around. IMO.It's not that simple. The big problem we had this year, especially early, was the defense was historically terrible. Dak was playing pretty well but the team was giving up well over 30 points a game. Not sure how I could hold that against Dak (and FWIW, I am not one of these fans that claims you have to sign Dak long term). But unlike Dak, before he got hurt, Elliott was not playing well. That's just a fact.
His signing was a mistake.
This.His contract was signed before the 2019 season. His 3 prior seasons he was the NFL rushing champ twice, 1,631 and 1,434 yards, 5.1 and 4.7 ypc, in his two full years. Extrapolating his other year over 16 games (remember he was suspended, nothing to do with ability on the field) he would have had 1,572 yards and 11 tds.
At the time of the contract, that was not a mistake, in the sense of it was an obvious no-no. (No 20-20 hindsight allowed). Did some say you shouldn't have done it at the time?
Sure, and if you were one of those I can see why you said that, and you may well be proven right, and kudos to you for saying it.
But it could have also worked out well, if a lot of different things had happened, like Romo not being hurt so much, e.g.
Maybe bad judgment on Jerry's part, but I wouldn't call in a mistake, based on evidence available at the time...
out of curiosity how many other organizations do you see using a top 5 pick on a RB?
Other teams may have taken a RB at 5 or earlier if they'd had the pick, for instance Rams took Gurley 10th, likely would have taken him at 5 if they'd picked that early.
So you're saying that the Cowboys should always play "follow the leader" in regards to running backs? Other good teams don't do that, so therefore the Cowboys will automatically have success doing the same?
Let's see what happens with the Giants and the Jags in the next few years before we just dump all over taking a running back in the top-5. I do think the league is trending back to more of an emphasis on the running game, in which case a Zeke will be a very good asset, but we'll see...
agree to disagree?
His contract was signed before the 2019 season. His 3 prior seasons he was the NFL rushing champ twice, 1,631 and 1,434 yards, 5.1 and 4.7 ypc, in his two full years. Extrapolating his other year over 16 games (remember he was suspended, nothing to do with ability on the field) he would have had 1,572 yards and 11 tds.
At the time of the contract, that was not a mistake, in the sense of it was an obvious no-no. (No 20-20 hindsight allowed). Did some say you shouldn't have done it at the time?
Sure, and if you were one of those I can see why you said that, and you may well be proven right, and kudos to you for saying it.
But it could have also worked out well, if a lot of different things had happened, like Romo not being hurt so much, e.g.
Maybe bad judgment on Jerry's part, but I wouldn't call in a mistake, based on evidence available at the time...
So i wan't to make sure i understand what you're saying.....they were deliberatly pumping up the tagged QB stats while supressing the already paid a but load to RB's numbers.....say that in the mirror and see if you believe you......I mean most of us thought it was because the line was trash and the D was trash and the O kept turning the ball over so we had to pass to get back in the game....yup now that i read it out loud your thinking is much more reasonable.....
You left outI brought this up in another thread..
Zeke has had a lot of off the field issues to deal with.
The dog attack and flash online attacks of him over it..
the dinner parties at Dak's house where too many attended..
the contracting of the virus..
the loss of his OL and his QB..
They are still discovering side effects people have had who got sick from covid.
Depression..lung scaring..reduced energy levels..chest pains..
every day another story appears.
I think people need to wake up and stop worrying about their own shallow reasons for complaining..
and be more logical and wait for more information.
Too much snap judgement makes you look irresponsible.
Hello?
Huh, then how did Barkley break so many records his rookie year behind the 29th ranked run blocking O line? The crap you spew is literally laughable. I don’t even know if you’re serious most of the time.I don't know if the line was making Zeke look better than he was so much as it was allowing him to showcase his greatness. No back shines without blocking.. that's simply a universal truth. Pollard looks good in spurts.. but there is nary a mention of all the times he has been tackled for a loss. According to pro-football-reference Pollard has broken one tackle on a run all year.. in 47 carries.. ONE.. So his break rate is 1/47. Meanwhile Zeke has broken 11. or 1/13.6 Now there are a number of ways to interpret that. Obviously Zeke is more powerful and should be able to break more tackles.. and since when he's in the game the entire defense is aware of him he's going to have to. Pollard gets to the second level quicker because he is classic wild stallion young runner. The problem is that typically when there is no hole he's done because he doesn't really break tackles. I can't find the numbers but I would wager Pollard has as many or more TFLs than Zeke on a third as many carries. Zeke is almost 4 times as likely to break a tackle than Pollard. Pollard's quickness may allow him to evade more tackles though.. But on about the 15th carry or so there is a precipitous drop in that quickness .. and over the course of a season it might disappear altogether. Then you have a back without burst who is 25 pounds lighter than Zeke. Then we find out what other tools he has in his bag. If it helps the team win to play Pollard more then play him more. But he's going to have to get better at blitz pickup and NOT being stopped behind the line of scrimmage in order for that to happen.
I expect him to be a $90 million difference maker. Because we didn’t pay him to be good only under optimum circumstances. Pretty simple