Jerry Jones: Dak stats are “garbage time” [Personal Opinion Included]

[phildadon86]

It was a heck of a lot healthier than it is now, are you going to argue that too? And what's your excuse for the rest of 2019?

That blaming a QB for a loss is like blaming a goalie for a loss in soccer. There are 11 guys on the field. Its a TEAM game. And also. In that Jets game. Dak was being hit left right and center and still kept getting up. I cant see Fields or Lawrence having the same reaction. There are things more to being an athlete than skill. And Dak has that in droves. I feel a lot of you have never played a team sport to understand that concept.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Jerry just spoke on 105 the fan and basically stated that offense struggled even when Dak was starting and they only moved the ball more because teams defense allowed them to.


This owner will die without another ring. Dak & Will McClay to Atlanta is 99% guaranteed.

Jerry stating the obvious.

He may die without another ring, but Dak sure isn't getting him one.

 

[Diehardblues]

Its all about perception. One half of the crowd thinks Dak single-handedly brought the team back from huge deficits the first three games, and in the meantime was on pace for a record setting season. The other half see that Dallas fell so far behind those first 3 games that the opposing defenses were able to slip into prevent style defenses as early as the 1st quarter. This allowed Dak to start piling up stats by the truck load.

What is 'incorrect and misrepresented' about the latter part? It seems to me that the latter part is more accurate than the former, but again, its all about perception. If I'm on an opposing defense I too would probably ease up quite a bit if I had a 24 point lead way before half time.

Right

It’s both actually all wrapped up into one. Part of it is related to the early deficits and slow starts which allows defenses to play prevent and part of it is the ability of Dak to bring us back or at least keep it interesting.

I think most objective fans realize the enormous stats were a result of defenses playing prevent and the fact we were so far behind had to become one dimensional with passing attack. And why the stats were ballooned and not as impactful as some of his ardent supporters wanted to portray.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

That blaming a QB for a loss is like blaming a goalie for a loss in soccer. There are 11 guys on the field. Its a TEAM game. And also. In that Jets game. Dak was being hit left right and center and still kept getting up. I cant see Fields or Lawrence having the same reaction. There are things more to being an athlete than skill. And Dak has that in droves. I feel a lot of you have never played a team sport to understand that concept.

Ok, it's a team game then why does Dak desire 35+million a year?
There goes the team spirit I guess

 

[RonnieT24]

Going on 24 hours and still no one can tell me exactly when "garbage time" begins so I can go back and watch the games and deduct any yards gained and TDs scored during those times from Dak's totals.

Show me one person that said that, not to mention "half."

Also, you're just wrong. I've seen no evidence that teams went into prevent with a lead. Show me! I'd love to see it.
The fact is that this season is quite the contrary to your claims. It has nothing to do with perception.

This dude actually said: "The other half see that Dallas fell so far behind those first 3 games that the opposing defenses were able to slip into prevent style defenses as early as the 1st quarter."

Let's go ahead and analyze this brain dead statement..

Game 1: At the end of the first quarter the score was 7-0 Rams. Hmmm.. then they slipped into prevent defense having mounted and insurmountable 7 point lead.. which the Cowboys had taken over by halftime.
Game 2: At the end of the first quarter the score was 20-0 Falcons.. yeah they clearly went into prevent having salted that game away.. Except the Cowboys cut it to a 5 point lead by the middle of the 3rd quarter.. sooooo... help me out.. were the last 20 minutes of that game "garbage time" even though it was a one score game at that point? And did the Falcons not notice that their lead was being wiped out BEFORE it got to one score? Did the stadium scoreboard stop working so they didn't know?
Game 3: At the end of the first quarter the score was 9-9. The Seahawks, knowing that they were going to win, slipped into prevent even with the score tied.. Or maybe they were in prevent right up until the Cowboys took the lead with 4 minutes left?

If this dude had any credibility to start with, it's certainly gone now after that asinine statement. So I will ask the question again.. when exactly is "garbage time?"

Jerry never said anything about "garbage time" in that radio interview. And if he HAS bought into the narrative that we only moved the ball and scored "when the other team was letting us" then he is every bit the football moron most of the people on this board accuse him of being. Since I don't think he's quite that stupid, I chalk his statements up to essentially trying to negotiate with Dak through the media. Problem is, Dak's team will have access to the same tape and numbers that we do.. and every time Jerry even hints that "Dak's numbers were only because the other teams were letting him..." they will roll the tape and point out the timestamps when Dak was roasting fools.. and then say "wanna try again?"

 

[Diehardblues]

If fans can’t see the difference of this team with or without Dak then it’s not going to matter what’s said.Their agenda will continue driving the narrative.

Sound bites like this just provide some ammo for their narrative even if it’s taken out of context or intent.

As usual reality is somewhere in between. And I’ve often been critical of Dak if you read all of my post in this thread and history over the years but to be objective we must also provide his contributions.

If you don’t believe we have a better chance of winning with Dak then I’m not sure where to go with it.

 

[CATCH17]

Its all about perception. One half of the crowd thinks Dak single-handedly brought the team back from huge deficits the first three games, and in the meantime was on pace for a record setting season. The other half see that Dallas fell so far behind those first 3 games that the opposing defenses were able to slip into prevent style defenses as early as the 1st quarter. This allowed Dak to start piling up stats by the truck load.

What is 'incorrect and misrepresented' about the latter part? It seems to me that the latter part is more accurate than the former, but again, its all about perception. If I'm on an opposing defense I too would probably ease up quite a bit if I had a 24 point lead way before half time.

Not to mention.. The Browns, Falcons, and Seahawks have atrocious pass defense.

 

[CATCH17]

If fans can’t see the difference of this team with or without Dak then it’s not going to matter what’s said.Their agenda will continue driving the narrative.

Sound bites like this just provide some ammo for their narrative even if it’s taken out of context or intent.

As usual reality is somewhere in between. And I’ve often been critical of Dak if you read all of my post in this thread and history over the years but to be objective we must also provide his contributions.

If you don’t believe we have a better chance of winning with Dak then I’m not sure where to go with it.

Of course we’re a better team with Dak but it’s not the difference between winning and losing either.

This isn’t 40 million dollar kill your cap type of play from our QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Going on 24 hours and still no one can tell me exactly when "garbage time" begins so I can go back and watch the games and deduct any yards gained and TDs scored during those times from Dak's totals.



This dude actually said: "The other half see that Dallas fell so far behind those first 3 games that the opposing defenses were able to slip into prevent style defenses as early as the 1st quarter."

Let's go ahead and analyze this brain dead statement..

Game 1: At the end of the first quarter the score was 7-0 Rams. Hmmm.. then they slipped into prevent defense having mounted and insurmountable 7 point lead.. which the Cowboys had taken over by halftime.
Game 2: At the end of the first quarter the score was 20-0 Falcons.. yeah they clearly went into prevent having salted that game away.. Except the Cowboys cut it to a 5 point lead by the middle of the 3rd quarter.. sooooo... help me out.. were the last 20 minutes of that game "garbage time" even though it was a one score game at that point? And did the Falcons not notice that their lead was being wiped out BEFORE it got to one score? Did the stadium scoreboard stop working so they didn't know?
Game 3: At the end of the first quarter the score was 9-9. The Seahawks, knowing that they were going to win, slipped into prevent even with the score tied.. Or maybe they were in prevent right up until the Cowboys took the lead with 4 minutes left?

If this dude had any credibility to start with, it's certainly gone now after that asinine statement. So I will ask the question again.. when exactly is "garbage time?"

Jerry never said anything about "garbage time" in that radio interview. And if he HAS bought into the narrative that we only moved the ball and scored "when the other team was letting us" then he is every bit the football moron most of the people on this board accuse him of being. Since I don't think he's quite that stupid, I chalk his statements up to essentially trying to negotiate with Dak through the media. Problem is, Dak's team will have access to the same tape and numbers that we do.. and every time Jerry even hints that "Dak's numbers were only because the other teams were letting him..." they will roll the tape and point out the timestamps when Dak was roasting fools.. and then say "wanna try again?"

Right . Jethro said that the defenses allowed us to move the ball more after we fell behind with the early turnovers placing us in deficits.

 

[gjkoeppen]

That’s exactly what Jethro meant. And he’s said before.

This interview is being taken out of context with a certain segment of fans.

I’ve been a critic of Dak in some aspects but our dysfunctional ownership just a few days ago said they were all in with Dak.

This is just a negotiable ploy as his stock has rose since the Cowboys have plummeted after his injury when it’s obvious how critical he is to our offense.

Cowboys are still going to try and lowball paying Dak. And if he doesn’t cooperate they might let him walk.

I very seriously doubt the Cowboys will let Prescott walk. As often and adamant Jones has been that Prescott is his QB if he did let Prescott walk the media would be merciless on him and he knows it. From that point on the media would question everything he says. He doesn't sit and read his negative reviews here on the CZ, but I'm sure he reads the sport pages.
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[Diehardblues]

Of course we’re a better team with Dak but it’s not the difference between winning and losing either.

This isn’t 40 million dollar kill your cap type of play from our QB.

Depends on how much winning you’re talking about. We are definitely a more competitive team with Dak or at least a QB with his ability .

And we haven’t paid him 40 million yet. Which I think is what Jethro is pitting himself with here in an attempt to help them in negotiations.

I’d argue we still want Dak but closer to the 35 million or less we originally offered.

 

[Diehardblues]

I very seriously doubt the Cowboys will let Prescott walk. As often and adamant Jones has been that Prescott is his QB if he did let Prescott walk the media would be merciless on him and he knows it. From that point on the media would question everything he says. He doesn't6 sit and read his negative reviews here on the CZ, but I'm sure he reads the sport pages.
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Yep

This is more of just positioning themselves for contract negotiations.

 

[Diehardblues]

As far as killing our cap , IMO we can’t pay our QB, RB and WR. That was poor Mgmt. Not many teams are able to pay all 3 while surrounding them with any support and or a defense.

 

[G2]

Going on 24 hours and still no one can tell me exactly when "garbage time" begins so I can go back and watch the games and deduct any yards gained and TDs scored during those times from Dak's totals.



This dude actually said: "The other half see that Dallas fell so far behind those first 3 games that the opposing defenses were able to slip into prevent style defenses as early as the 1st quarter."

Let's go ahead and analyze this brain dead statement..

Game 1: At the end of the first quarter the score was 7-0 Rams. Hmmm.. then they slipped into prevent defense having mounted and insurmountable 7 point lead.. which the Cowboys had taken over by halftime.
Game 2: At the end of the first quarter the score was 20-0 Falcons.. yeah they clearly went into prevent having salted that game away.. Except the Cowboys cut it to a 5 point lead by the middle of the 3rd quarter.. sooooo... help me out.. were the last 20 minutes of that game "garbage time" even though it was a one score game at that point? And did the Falcons not notice that their lead was being wiped out BEFORE it got to one score? Did the stadium scoreboard stop working so they didn't know?
Game 3: At the end of the first quarter the score was 9-9. The Seahawks, knowing that they were going to win, slipped into prevent even with the score tied.. Or maybe they were in prevent right up until the Cowboys took the lead with 4 minutes left?

If this dude had any credibility to start with, it's certainly gone now after that asinine statement. So I will ask the question again.. when exactly is "garbage time?"

Jerry never said anything about "garbage time" in that radio interview. And if he HAS bought into the narrative that we only moved the ball and scored "when the other team was letting us" then he is every bit the football moron most of the people on this board accuse him of being. Since I don't think he's quite that stupid, I chalk his statements up to essentially trying to negotiate with Dak through the media. Problem is, Dak's team will have access to the same tape and numbers that we do.. and every time Jerry even hints that "Dak's numbers were only because the other teams were letting him..." they will roll the tape and point out the timestamps when Dak was roasting fools.. and then say "wanna try again?"

Yep, remember when I posted the game by game - quarter by quarter points and stats? 4 of the 5 games Prescott started in it was irrefutable. Even the Cleveland game. I think I posted it a half dozen times and all the retractors ignored it. Lmao. I think you just can't reason with some folks who listen to MSM talking points and their mind is just made up. "Garbage time, throwing WRs open, carrying the team, stat padding, dink & dunk, etc....." all nonsense and misused.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Its all about perception. One half of the crowd thinks Dak single-handedly brought the team back from huge deficits the first three games, and in the meantime was on pace for a record setting season. The other half see that Dallas fell so far behind those first 3 games that the opposing defenses were able to slip into prevent style defenses as early as the 1st quarter. This allowed Dak to start piling up stats by the truck load.

What is 'incorrect and misrepresented' about the latter part? It seems to me that the latter part is more accurate than the former, but again, its all about perception. If I'm on an opposing defense I too would probably ease up quite a bit if I had a 24 point lead way before half time.

NFL coaches don't start prevent defenses in the 1st quarter, 2nd quarter or the 3rd quarter no mater how big the lead is. If they did that and lost they would have to answer to their owner. Just look no further than Atlanta and what happened to Dan Quinn and losing back to back games with 15 or more point leads and lost. If anything in those 1st 3 quarters the defense try harder to stop them so their offense can expand on the great game they are having. When the defense stops the Cowboys they then have less chance to come back and win.
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[kevm3]

Nothing more than a bargaining chip. He’s heard the roars of everyone about how this offense fell on its face once Dak got hurt and how it was going to cost jerry so much more to re-sign him. He’s simply trying to devalue the performance. Cruddy but true.

That's a terrible negotiating strategy. That's going to make Dak dismiss any notion of taking a home town discount.

 

[Diehardblues]

NFL coaches don't start prevent defenses in the 1st quarter, 2nd quarter or the 3rd quarter no mater how big the lead is. If they did that and lost they would have to answer to their owner. Just look no further than Atlanta and what happened to Dan Quinn and losing back to back games with 15 or more point leads and lost. If anything in those 1st 3 quarters the defense try harder to stop them so their offense can expand on the great game they are having. When the defense stops the Cowboys they then have less chance to come back and win.
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Yea, it’s not so much prevent as it is just us going into passing mode. One dimensional offense in order to play catch up.

 

[phildadon86]

Of course we’re a better team with Dak but it’s not the difference between winning and losing either.

This isn’t 40 million dollar kill your cap type of play from our QB.

He hasnt asked for 40 million so. There is that. Also. I thought we were a better team with Dalton?

 

[gjkoeppen]

As far as killing our cap , IMO we can’t pay our QB, RB and WR. That was poor Mgmt. Not many teams are able to pay all 3 while surrounding them with any support and or a defense.

The cap hit on next years cap isn't going to be nearly as bad as some think it will be. Normally teams are allowed to carryover 5% of the cap to the following season. This year because of the virus, for just this season, the owners approved allowing teams to carryover unlimited amount to next years cap. The Cowboys will have about 25 mil carryover. Now back to July 15th and the last hour or so Prescott was doing his own negotiating and they agreed on 35m mil a year but could get the guaranteed amount done before time ran out. So subtract that 25 mil carryover from that 35 mil and that leaves 10 mil that will count against next years cap and that's not crippling at all.
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[kevm3]

Dak would be smart to leave this dumpster fire. Don't let the Jones boys ruin your career. You can make just as much money and potentially get a championship anywhere. Let the next drafted QB put up 'garbage time' stats when the defense is giving up 40 a game.