Clearly they should of hired a Defensive minded coach

[TheMarathonContinues]

If you always planned to keep Kellen Moore which it seems that was the case then yes they should've done that.

Defensive minded coach doesn't matter when you don't have talent. D-law might be the only legitimate franchise defensive player they've drafted in the last 10 years.

Schemes and workouts isn't going to turn chicken #%# into chicken salad

But it does. Look at the New York Giants. How many All Pro's are on the Giants? How many All Pro's are on the Saints? A good scheme and make your player deficiencies. Maranelli was no juggernaut. But his scheme for what it was got the best out of his players. It was a bend but don't break variation of the Tampa 2. It was what it was. I hated it but it allowed for the Cowboys to mask a lot of their weaknesses. Mike Nolan's scheme sucks and I don't know why you guys don't see it. Mike Nolan has never had a good defense.

 

[817Gill]

Titans seem to be pretty good on d to me. So does buffalo.

That’s more reputation. Titans have been terrible in the pass rush department (Clowney is not a pass rusher and he’s injured again) and Cleveland just put up a 40 piece on them. They are uneven at best.

Buffalo has tightened it up recently as they’ve found a bit of a pass rush but overall this season have been average to below average at times.

Many defensive HC’s do not have dominant defenses has some evidence to it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Titans seem to be pretty good on d to me. So does buffalo.

Non they aren't lol. I get why you think that because they were good last year but this year both of them are terrible and no one really knows why. They were suppose to be the strength of those teams and they are bad.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That’s more reputation. Titans have been terrible in the pass rush department (Clowney is not a pass rusher and he’s injured again) and Cleveland just put up a 40 piece on them. They are uneven at best.

Buffalo has tightened it up recently as they’ve found a bit of a pass rush but overall this season have been average to below average at times.

Many defensive HC’s do not have dominant defenses.

Beat me to it. Titans and Bills defenses suck this year. Just reputation like you said.

 

[817Gill]

Beat me to it. Titans and Bills defenses suck this year. Just reputation like you said.

Great minds think alike lol

 

[john van brocklin]

The Cowboys Team in the Dak Era has never had much of an issue scoring points and being productive. Outside of maybe that 1 season where Dez was cut and they decided a WR by committee could work.

The Defense and Special Teams has killed this team for many years. It made absolute no sense to hire an offensive minded HC, one who didn't change the offense and doesn't even call the plays. Scary thing is, Jason Garrett is looking like the better HC. At least his coached teams were competitive.

How to fix this mess and get the right coaches in place? There is no chance Jerry is going to eat MM's contract which he signed for 30 million, but he can force him to make changes within his staff. That's what will probably be the best coarse of action at this point in time. Perhaps, makes him the OC and let him coach for his job in 2021. Another bad season, he won't survive.

I see him getting another season with all the injuries

 

[stilltheguru]

Non they aren't lol. I get why you think that because they were good last year but this year both of them are terrible and no one really knows why. They were suppose to be the strength of those teams and they are bad.

True but to counter what dude said about d coaches. Tomlin and Flores are d coaches and have good defenses/teams.

 

[Future]

They all have terrible defenses?

Yes lol

 

[stilltheguru]

Yes lol

Buffalo isn't terrible either. Think theyre 19th in ppg. Thats not terrible. Tennesse sure, they were near us. Bottomline, to say d coaches are a pointless hire is incorrect

 

[Future]

Buffalo isn't terrible either. Think theyre 19th in ppg. Thats not terrible. Tennesse sure, they were near us. Bottomline, to say d coaches are a pointless hire is incorrect

If you have a D coach and you're 19th in scoring defense, the coach was a pointless hire.

It's an offensive league and defensive performance has wild variance year-to-year. Hiring a defensive HC when there's no correlation between that and defensive success is pointless.

 

[Tussinman]

How many All Pro's are on the Saints?

3 on defense (Jordan, Davis, and Lattimore), 1 of which also made the all-decade team. Also have Davenport whose been a fringe pro bowler the last 2 years and hell even there mid tier starter Malcom Brown would be the 2nd best d-lineman on are roster

How many All Pro's are on the Giants?.

Never knew the Giants had an elite defense ? (news to me). I know they have a good influx of young talent like Pepper, McKinney, Lawrence, and Tomlinson.

So basically the Giants could be us if we actually hit on our defensive picks ? There netting legtimate defensive starters while where netting Tacos and Hills.

That's kinda my point, we haven't hit on defensive picks or free agents while other teams are. You can mask issues with scheme I agree but if 8 or 9 of your defensive starters are glorified backups (that Jerry is hyping as stars) then the end result isn't going to be good

 

[jterrell]

Uh I don't know.
Perhaps they should have kept Rod Marinelli as DC and stayed in the 4-3.
The Raiders defense is pretty bad but Dallas is the easily the worst in the league.
32.8 points per game and the only team to give up more than 30PPG.

 

[jterrell]

The premise of what you're saying is spot on...

Thing is....if Moore goes then Jerry's plan of his next hand picked genius goes away.

They have a true mess on their hands right now.

First....MM was desperate for a job. WHY he was guaranteed FIVE years with a win now team I'll never figure out.

My very biggest concern moving ahead is bringing in all these Nolan types through the draft the next few years then having to can him anyway.

Clearly almost no one on the current teams defense excels in Nolans scheme.

HOW on earth no one saw this is beyond me.

The Cowboys aren't firing MM after 1 year regardless of what deal they had made.
They gave Redball like 8 mea culpa seasons.

The talent on defense (lol) is all 4-3 so they could go out now and get a 4-3 DC and start there or since they need to overhaul more than half the defense they can just build out the 3-4 this off-season.
I'd probably get a new 4-3DC and hope to be good next year not in 2022.

 

[cowboyec]

i liked the mccarthy hire but i am surprised at how unprepared this team looks.
week in...week out.
i get the injuries.
i get the shortened off-season.
but they had 12 days to get ready...and this team just looks lost.

 

[stilltheguru]

If you have a D coach and you're 19th in scoring defense, the coach was a pointless hire.

It's an offensive league and defensive performance has wild variance year-to-year. Hiring a defensive HC when there's no correlation between that and defensive success is pointless.

I mentioned miami and Pittsburgh too if we have to continue this. And theres plenty of offensive coaches with bad offenses so.........

 

[Future]

i liked the mccarthy hire but i am surprised at how unprepared this team looks.
week in...week out.
i get the injuries.
i get the shortened off-season.
but they had 12 days to get ready...and this team just looks lost.

In what way did they not look prepared against BAL? The offense is just really terrible, no amount of preparation changes that.

You've got the ball and the lead midway through the second quarter and throw a pick - albeit on a tipped ball. Give up a long pass the next play on a blown coverage. None of that has anything to do with how they prepare, they just have bad players.

 

[cowboyec]

just run a 4-3 but mix up what you do.
whatever they are doing now just sucks.
reminds me of the paul alexander hire.
they ditch him...hire colombo and the line started clicking again.
ditch nolan...promote leon lett and just go 4-3...but mix up your coverages which the last regime hated to do.

 

[cowboyec]

In what way did they not look prepared against BAL? The offense is just really terrible, no amount of preparation changes that.

You've got the ball and the lead midway through the second quarter and throw a pick - albeit on a tipped ball. Give up a long pass the next play on a blown coverage. None of that has anything to do with how they prepare, they just have bad players.

really?
in what way?
no body knows what the hell they are doing on defense...LVE,Jaylon...the secondary.
did they look prepared to you?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

True but to counter what dude said about d coaches. Tomlin and Flores are d coaches and have good defenses/teams.

Tomlin doesn't run the Steelers defense....I can't speak on the Dolphins though. I know he was the Pats DC.

 

[Future]

I mentioned miami and Pittsburgh too if we have to continue this. And theres plenty of offensive coaches with bad offenses so.........

The point is that there's no correlation between a defensive HC and a good defense. I mean, there are more cases of defensive head coaches being detrimental to their team - Minny, Sea, Tenn - than there are defensive coaches being successful.

There are 0 examples of offensive coaches with good quarterbacks having a bad offense.

In this league, you have a quarterback and a standalone passing game, or you don't have anything. It's why teams like the Giants, Commanders, Bears, Pats, Broncos aren't going anywhere, no matter how much defense they play.