Perspective for the Anti-Tankers

[Dre11]

Another under-rated aspect is how many times in the 2nd or 3rd round are you like "damn that player picked a few spots above us would of been a starter at a position of need" ?

Having a bad record doesn't just help in the 1st, it can play a huge part in those day 2 selections

it doesn't matter if the player you want is there in those later rounds
I remember a couple years back every safety the cowboys supposed to like was on the board when they picked and they passed. teams liken the Ravens pick down the board and come up with good players, it's all about the people picking

 

[75boyz]

it doesn't matter if the player you want is there in those later rounds
I remember a couple years back every safety the cowboys supposed to like was on the board when they picked and they passed. teams liken the Ravens pick down the board and come up with good players, it's all about the people picking

You are a totally quality poster so I guess while I see your point and can agree to some extent what I'm sayin is...With the fact that these same Joneses are still doing the picking and is something that is unavoidable, wouldn't you still at least want the availability of the higher ranked player being there even if it ended up a slap in the place of him not being chosen?

That's kinda what it all boils down to in my eyes.
That is, at the very least, the draft slot held affords the opportunity to choose the higher ranked player.

If you're more the straight across the board type who says it absolutely does not matter where you pick then I agree to disagree but no worries.

Go Cowboys

 

[RamziD]

Just now found out we won....

About to kill myself........

Have a family member alert us when it’s over

 

[Dre11]

You are a totally quality poster so I guess while I see your point and can agree to some extent what I'm sayin is...With the fact that these same Joneses are still doing the picking and is something that is unavoidable, wouldn't you still at least want the availability of the higher ranked player being there even if it ended up a slap in the place of him not being chosen?

That's kinda what it all boils down to in my eyes.
That is, at the very least, the draft slot held affords the opportunity to choose the higher ranked player.

If you're more the straight across the board type who says it absolutely does not matter where you pick then I agree to disagree but no worries.

Go Cowboys

I would agree if you there was a sure thing in the draft, also I don't believe Jerry nor Stephen makes the picks in the draft, it's a group effort. the drafts haven't been terrible, just a couple years ago, this team was touted as the most talented around the league

 

[GMO415]

In last week's Steelers and Washington Football Team game, Mike Tomlin told Chase Young that he never wants to lose enough games to get a player like him.

That's why when there is no shot at the playoffs, it's in a team's best interest to lose as many games as possible.

Only special talent like that can be found in the first few picks of the draft.

Yes, other special players can be found later but that happens less than you think considering how many total picks there are in each draft. Most times, teams don't even know they drafted a special player and just get lucky. For example, the Patriots had no clue how good Brady would be because they took him in the 6th round.

Players like Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, are any teams best bet each draft.

Those types of players can only be acquired by picking top 5 or better.

That's why you want to lose games in a season that was already over in week 6.

Dallas has had those opportunities and what did they do? Draft clowns instead of talent. IE Taco and J Smith.

 

[J12B]

Dallas has had those opportunities and what did they do? Draft clowns instead of talent. IE Taco and J Smith.

Taco was taken at pick 27 or around there. Smith was an early 2nd rounder.

 

[starfan1]

In last week's Steelers and Washington Football Team game, Mike Tomlin told Chase Young that he never wants to lose enough games to get a player like him.

That's why when there is no shot at the playoffs, it's in a team's best interest to lose as many games as possible.

Only special talent like that can be found in the first few picks of the draft.

Yes, other special players can be found later but that happens less than you think considering how many total picks there are in each draft. Most times, teams don't even know they drafted a special player and just get lucky. For example, the Patriots had no clue how good Brady would be because they took him in the 6th round.

Players like Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, are any teams best bet each draft.

Those types of players can only be acquired by picking top 5 or better.

That's why you want to lose games in a season that was already over in week 6.

and in this draft there isnt any Chase young's or Joey bosa's to tank for

 

[BrassCowboy]

You give more playing time to the bench players.

They'll be giving 100% knowing they have a shot to get noticed and make a name for themselves.

Rest stars and vets so that they don't get injured and keeps their bodies more fresh.

That's the way to "tank".

If you win, then fine. But these next three games are as important as any 3 preseason games and should be approached the same way.

I am definitely not a "tanker" but I am not against the idea of taking some starters who are not producing and seeing who we have on the bench for the future, but only if those bench players have any legit shot at becoming a player not some 6+ year vet that we already know what we have

 

[Big_D]

Let’s hope the other 31 teams don’t show up on draft day! This team is screwed no matter what! The POS owner has seen to that!

 

[Jeffkills]

Have a family member alert us when it’s over

I will...

I'm sure somebody would let you guys know...

Either way, we'll be back....

GO COWBOYS!!!!

 

[blueblood70]

Well we haven't been winning with them so it doesn't really matter what those players think or want.

This should be a coaches decision that is in the best interest of the team as a whole going forward.

These next three games are basically preseason games. Coaches should care less about players getting stats and should care more about improving the team and players that will be here next year.

then it doesnt matter thers no such thing as tanking

you can say it all you want and it still wont make it true..

what the flip else do you want a 3rd string OL a backup qb backup TE, 4th string Dbs , 3rd string DL etc etc

we arent good so lay to win and may still lose..

but coaches and especially players do NOT TANK..its a fan term...

 

[blueblood70]

I agree. In my opinion no team should ever thank especially a losing culture like the Cowboys. What they should be doing is playing the young guys. How is Anae not getting more work? I also don’t see the point in Dalton starting. Dallas is down 2 games with 3 to play. They are not making the playoffs. If by chance they did they would be dead on arrival. A top 3 pick might get you Fields. I am starting to believe this team needs to move on from Dak because too many holes need to be filled for a $40-45MM contract to be handed out.

Never tank but use the time to assess the young guys and try different things out.

what the heck else do you want a 3rd string OL a backup qb backup TE, 4th string Dbs , 3rd string DL etc etc

i mean who anae and Bernard only players not to play snap this year thats your gripe when we are already playing bottom of he barrel at many other positions..coaches have their reasons for not playing those 2..maybe they mop up the last game or two but i dont care..

let the coaches coach..ands watch football..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Never understood how the likelihood of scenarios playing out was so hard to grasp by a section of the fan base.

It opened my eyes to the truly delusional dreamers.

Scenario 1, you must envision Andy Dalton leading this present team and coaching staff to a Super Bowl. A highly unlikely scenario.

Scenario 2, this present team loses out and the draft slot number is set such that the choice is very high in each round in the upcoming draft.

No guarantee that the present FO and staff will pick the right players in Scenario 2 but this scenario playing out at least offers a more reasonable chance at future team improvement.

Scenario 1 ain't happening. And worst of all cases not mentioned is a one and done participation trophy yet again.

This ain't quitting. It's reality of being a fan of The Dallas JonesBoys and trying to remain a fan in spite of this ownership.

Scenario #3 which you so conveniently avoid. We shore up the defense...stay healthy...and andy drives a bus.

 

[blueblood70]

and any drives a bus.

agreed however what this mean?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

agreed however what this mean?

Sorry...typo. I fixed it.

 

[jnday]

Players don’t tank. And you run the risk of losing the team in the future if they think you are trying to lose

Players may not tank, but they can quit or not put out 100% effort like Woods has admitted to doing.

 

[75boyz]

Scenario #3 which you so conveniently avoid. We shore up the defense...stay healthy...and andy drives a bus.

Yep, Aerosmith's got an all time classic song title response I could use but I'll just stick to my opinion and respect yours as well, Go Cowboys.

 

[jnday]

"Risky QB's"


These QB's are as risky as any position.

QB's are only more risky when you reach for guys that should be going in the 2nd round but they have so much position value that they go in the 1st round.


Lawrence is about as safe as it gets.

Fields has a Dak Prescott floor.

Zach Wilson has enormous upside to be the best of all of them.


Could they bust? Sure.. But if you hit then you have enormous advantages by getting cheap/quality QB play for 5 years.

Tank for Wilson. There is no need to pay elite money to an average player.

 

[blueblood70]

Sorry...typo. I fixed it.

you mean dak because no way Andy's Dalton is the starter next year, heck he may not even be here at all..

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

you mean dak because no way Andy's Dalton is the starter next year, heck he may not even be here at all..

He mentioned Andy so I went with that. I Was trying to stay within his realm of scenarios.

If Dak is healthy...I am A-okay him driving a healthy bus. Not sure about his contract but I don't really worry about that much. I cheer/jeer for players not dollars.