Why you don't need to tank

[Proof]

Actually the fact that every year because there are players taken outside of the top 5-10 picks that turn out to be really good and some eventually go to the HOF proves what you said is wrong that there is the majority of really good players outside the top 5-10 picks. If you go by what you say then every player taken in the top 5-10 picks should also end up in the HOF but we both know that isn't true..
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pssst. He said more good players would be available. If a player outside the top 5-10 turns out to be good/great, he was available in the top 5-10 so that doesn’t prove him wrong.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Besides that, the tanking life is a miserable life as fan. Give me 3 hours a week where I can just sit back and cheer on the Cowboys without all the other BS.

I think it's actually the other way around. The only

Winning the draft is where winning start genius.

Unless you do stupid things like draft fat stupid ewoks with the 4th pick. But none the less, the opportunity was there to take Jaylon Ramsey and they blew it.

Still crazy to me that we could have had Jalen Ramsey and Byron Jones.

 

[ghst187]

I was thinking we didn’t need to tank because we are so bad anyway we’d end up with a top 5 pick.

 

[TwoDeep3]

People kill me coming up with all these scenarios as to why the Cowboys need to play to lose so they can get a better draft pick.. If you watched the special on the top 60 players in franchise history ask yourself how many of them were top 10 picks?

Emmitt? - Nope 17th
Roger? - Not even a first rounder
Witten? - second rounder
Zack Martin - Nope 16th
Dez Bryant - Nope 24th
Larry Allen - Nope - second round
Mark Tuinei - Undrafted
Nate Newton - Undrafted
Erik Williams? - Nope 3rd round
Bob Hayes - Nope 7th round
Drew Pearson - Nope undrafted
Harvey Martin - Nope 3rd round
Demarcus Ware - 11th close..
Michael Irvin? - 11th .
Bob Lilly? - 13th
Romo? - Undrafted
Flozell? - Second rounder.

Yeah.. that list is getting long .. so let's go to the shorter list..

Of the all time 60 greatest Cowboys here are your top 10 picks:

Troy Aikman 1-1
Too-Tall Jones - 1-1
Tony Dorsett - 2nd overall
Randy White - 2nd overall
Zeke - 4th overall
Tyron Smith - 9th overall
Deion - 5 th overall (by the Falcons)

Unless I have missed someone that is the entire list of top 10 overall picks who have turned into great players for the Cowboys. 7 out of 60. In fact there are almost as many undrafted guys on the list as top 10 picks. Point being, there is plenty of talent to be had throughout the draft. You simply need good scouting to find them and good coaching to develop them. I think the Cowboys scouting department has done a pretty good job finding good players.. I'm not sure I can say the same about our ability to coach and develop them over the past two decades. Here's hoping this coaching staff gets better at it. If they don't then it really doesn't matter where or who we draft, this team is going to suck. And we will continue to watch guys go elsewhere and win Super Bowls.. and look good doing it.

Ronnie, back in the day I bought one of those press books the Cowboys make which tells the journalists all about the current team and then the history of the team. I tore into it reading it like the Holy Grail. I then noticed the Jimmy era and started to do the analytics.

Jimmy had over 100 draft picks in his tenure here - and this is from memory so don't hold me to exact numbers. Of those he traded away all but 66 to get players or better draft slots. Of those 66 approx. 35 played for this team. Of those 35 you might say only a hand full were truly play makers. But there were a great number of players like ken Norton, and Vin cent Smith, Maryland, Godfrey Miles...ect. The players who were the grinders that formed the core of a team which performed as a team and not individuals.

So while you bare accurate in saying players were selected later. That era there were twelve rounds in a draft and Jimbo had the ammo to move freely within the drafts. Especially when the league first thought Johnson and Jones were rubes.

And while there will be decenters about this, Jimmy was the GM until they started winning the Super Bowl. I will say Jones went and got Haley. Al Davis called him when the news about the trade was made public and said, "Congratulations on your Super Bowl."

Success has many fathers
Failure is an orphan

 

[leeblair]

What games are the supposed to win? They MIGHT beat san fran but new york and philly are better

Well, we'll see.

 

[buybuydandavis]

People kill me coming up with all these scenarios as to why the Cowboys need to play to lose so they can get a better draft pick.. If you watched the special on the top 60 players in franchise history ask yourself how many of them were top 10 picks?

Emmitt? - Nope 17th
Roger? - Not even a first rounder
Witten? - second rounder
Zack Martin - Nope 16th
Dez Bryant - Nope 24th
Larry Allen - Nope - second round
Mark Tuinei - Undrafted
Nate Newton - Undrafted
Erik Williams? - Nope 3rd round
Bob Hayes - Nope 7th round
Drew Pearson - Nope undrafted
Harvey Martin - Nope 3rd round
Demarcus Ware - 11th close..
Michael Irvin? - 11th .
Bob Lilly? - 13th
Romo? - Undrafted
Flozell? - Second rounder.

Yeah.. that list is getting long .. so let's go to the shorter list..

Of the all time 60 greatest Cowboys here are your top 10 picks:

Troy Aikman 1-1
Too-Tall Jones - 1-1
Tony Dorsett - 2nd overall
Randy White - 2nd overall
Zeke - 4th overall
Tyron Smith - 9th overall
Deion - 5 th overall (by the Falcons)

Unless I have missed someone that is the entire list of top 10 overall picks who have turned into great players for the Cowboys. 7 out of 60. In fact there are almost as many undrafted guys on the list as top 10 picks. Point being, there is plenty of talent to be had throughout the draft. You simply need good scouting to find them and good coaching to develop them. I think the Cowboys scouting department has done a pretty good job finding good players.. I'm not sure I can say the same about our ability to coach and develop them over the past two decades. Here's hoping this coaching staff gets better at it. If they don't then it really doesn't matter where or who we draft, this team is going to suck. And we will continue to watch guys go elsewhere and win Super Bowls.. and look good doing it.

"Need"

Red herring. Need is the not the issue. It's better or worse off. We're better off getting an earlier pick. Duh.

 

[The Fonz]

The more we lose the less JJ and his son can gloat about the season.....I want this team to be exposed more

 

[Setackin]

People kill me coming up with all these scenarios as to why the Cowboys need to play to lose so they can get a better draft pick.. If you watched the special on the top 60 players in franchise history ask yourself how many of them were top 10 picks?

Emmitt? - Nope 17th
Roger? - Not even a first rounder
Witten? - second rounder
Zack Martin - Nope 16th
Dez Bryant - Nope 24th
Larry Allen - Nope - second round
Mark Tuinei - Undrafted
Nate Newton - Undrafted
Erik Williams? - Nope 3rd round
Bob Hayes - Nope 7th round
Drew Pearson - Nope undrafted
Harvey Martin - Nope 3rd round
Demarcus Ware - 11th close..
Michael Irvin? - 11th .
Bob Lilly? - 13th
Romo? - Undrafted
Flozell? - Second rounder.

Yeah.. that list is getting long .. so let's go to the shorter list..

Of the all time 60 greatest Cowboys here are your top 10 picks:

Troy Aikman 1-1
Too-Tall Jones - 1-1
Tony Dorsett - 2nd overall
Randy White - 2nd overall
Zeke - 4th overall
Tyron Smith - 9th overall
Deion - 5 th overall (by the Falcons)

Unless I have missed someone that is the entire list of top 10 overall picks who have turned into great players for the Cowboys. 7 out of 60. In fact there are almost as many undrafted guys on the list as top 10 picks. Point being, there is plenty of talent to be had throughout the draft. You simply need good scouting to find them and good coaching to develop them. I think the Cowboys scouting department has done a pretty good job finding good players.. I'm not sure I can say the same about our ability to coach and develop them over the past two decades. Here's hoping this coaching staff gets better at it. If they don't then it really doesn't matter where or who we draft, this team is going to suck. And we will continue to watch guys go elsewhere and win Super Bowls.. and look good doing it.

This does conflict with what I want at all... it might even bluster what I wanna do. Tank, then trade back once or twice to pick 14-19, pick up as many picks in top 100 as possible.

 

[Hadenough]

With a 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th round comp picks, along with their own, Dallas can take a big step of addressing deficiencies on the team.

Thats a lot of picks! The problem is they arent that good at drafting and they could end up with a lot of jags to replace the jags they have. This team needs an injection of talented players. They need a lot of help at DT,OL,LB,S.

 

[MWH1967]

Witten was actually a third rounder, wasn't he?

yes

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think it's actually the other way around. The only


Still crazy to me that we could have had Jalen Ramsey and Byron Jones.

Yep, and now think about the fact that we could have had TJ Watt instead of Taco and then Rapp the safety for the Rams instead of Hill. We probably have the best DE combo in the NFL and the best secondary in the NFL.

Draft is everything.

 

[Diehardblues]

All of that is true, however the fact remains. Closer you pick toward the front, the more good players will be available. That is the fact that cannot be refuted.

Good players being selected elsewhere does not negate this fact.

I haven’t seen anyone disputing this fact.

They just don’t agree with intentionally losing or tanking to gain that advantage. But most appear fine with the fact we gain that benefit from losing.

 

[Cmac]

If JJ would allow the scouting team to go further than the Boise State area or the Big 12/Big 10 area, get an eye examination, and be willing to dig deep into the unexposed places, maybe, just maybe...... things would change.

 

[gjkoeppen]

pssst. He said more good players would be available. If a player outside the top 5-10 turns out to be good/great, he was available in the top 5-10 so that doesn’t prove him wrong.

Yes and if a team takes a player that turns out later to be really good that normally would have gone in the 3rd round but was taken with a top ten pick EVERYONE in the sporting world would be shouting at their loudest that it was the biggest reach, in draft history, but yes he would have been available in the top ten picks. Again there are many players that are good outside of the top ten picks but that doesn't mean any one of them WOULD have been taken with a top ten pick.
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[RonnieT24]

pssst. He said more good players would be available. If a player outside the top 5-10 turns out to be good/great, he was available in the top 5-10 so that doesn’t prove him wrong.[/QUOTE]

It proves I didn't have to be drafting in the top 10 to get him. So anyone who tanked for players inferior to him tanked for nothing..

 

[kskboys]

I haven’t seen anyone disputing this fact.

They just don’t agree with intentionally losing or tanking to gain that advantage. But most appear fine with the fact we gain that benefit from losing.

Once again, you have to define tanking. Tanking is not on the players or coaches, period.

Good thing is, Jerry intentionally tanks by being the GM.

 

[kskboys]

pssst. He said more good players would be available. If a player outside the top 5-10 turns out to be good/great, he was available in the top 5-10 so that doesn’t prove him wrong.

The anti-tankers have come up w/ some strange ideas, all to simply avoid the fact that sometimes it's better if your team loses. What I don't really understand is why they even bother to click on tanking threads.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I haven’t seen anyone disputing this fact.

They just don’t agree with intentionally losing or tanking to gain that advantage. But most appear fine with the fact we gain that benefit from losing.

Some are disputing this fact. Maybe you haven’t read all the tanking threads.

 

[RonnieT24]

Some are disputing this fact. Maybe you haven’t read all the tanking threads.

Who has that kind of time?

 

[gjkoeppen]

The anti-tankers have come up w/ some strange ideas, all to simply avoid the fact that sometimes it's better if your team loses. What I don't really understand is why they even bother to click on tanking threads.

You've been around long enough to know that there are users that disagree on EVERY thread on this site. Not all users see everything the same way. So now because you are for tanking you don't get why those who are against tanking express their opinions on this thread. So you think only those that want the Cowboys to tank should be allowed to express their opinions on tanking. I've not always agreed with your opinions but I used to think you were much more open minded and not so exclusive as you appear to be.
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