Zeke and Pollard

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I met Zeke his rookie year and personally can’t stand the guy at all (he might be the least likable person I’ve personally ever met to be quite honest)... but one could argue Pollard had 1 or 2 good runs, he only had like 33 rushing yards with ~10 min left in the game. Zeke on the other hand should’ve won 3 rushing titles in a row but Goodell suspended him his for 6 games in arguably his best season (2017), but running backs have a short shelf life in today’s nfl and there’s plenty of evidence of that.

With that being said... there will never be another Emmitt smith!
 

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There is no doubt in my mind that we lose that game if fat Zeke plays. Addition by subtraction. Fat Zeke is done.

That's your opinion, no problem with it, to each his own.

But that begs the question - if Pollard is so good, why only 12 carries, in a game where the Cowboys were up 14-0 early? Seems tailor made to pound the ball and tire out the defense.
Well at 209 lbs Pollard isn't going to be very good at that. Also, in that 14-0 run, Pollard's first 3 carries went for 3,3 and 2 yards. Not much evidence he can move the chains.

Zeke and Pollard are different backs, have different talents. Neither can do everything at the top level in the league.

But Zeke has the size, weight and blocking ability Pollard doesn't have, as well as solid running ability, and while not as elusive as Pollard, he does have some, just look at the Bengals game, even with a calf issue that kept him out of this last game.

Cowboys would do well to keep both around...
 

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Nice day overall for Pollard. But his average per carry of 5.75 is misleading. "Average" has different measures, statistically. The 5.75 is more precisely the "mean", there's also "median" and "mode". Of course the mean is used for comparison among running backs, over the course of even a Dorsett's career, let alone Emmitt's, trying to figure the median and mode would give way too many numbers.

Commonly even to get a "true" mean, you take all the raw numbers and remove the highest and the lowest, and then compute the mean. Pollard had 12 carries for 69 yards, removing the 40 yard high and his zero yard low (if I didn't miss one of his runs), you have 10 carries for 29 yards, or a 2.9 carry. That's not good.

Has Zeke had some of those games? Sure, every back has. And this is only one game as a starter for Pollard, that's obviously not enough data to make a valid judgement as to his ability. But the really hard core Zeke detractors will say Pollard is better than Zeke, should be the starter, etc. Since we have only this one game so far, what you have is insufficient information to determine that, but again taking this one game, Pollard hasn't shown that.

Next year, barring a lengthy injury or illness to Pollard, we should be able to make a better determination. And the contract doesn't enter into it, Zeke will get paid next year one way or the other, not talking about "worth" here, just the ability to help the Cowboys win SBs...


Zeke's rushing performance for 2020 before and after his longest run:

vs. CINN 12 carries 48 yards 4.0 YPC Longest run 26 yards 11 carries 22 yards 2.0 YPC

vs. BAL 18 carries 77 yards 4.3 YPC Longest run 14 yards 17 carries 60 yards 3.53 YPC

vs. WASH 10 carries 32 yards 3.2 YPC Longest run 8 yards 9 carries 24 yards 2.67 YPC

vs. MINN 21 carries 103 yards 4.9 YPC Longest run 18 yards 20 carries 85 yards 4.25 YPC

vs. PITT 18 carries 51 yards 2.8 YPC Longest run 10 Yards 17 carries 41 yards 2.41 YPC

vs. PHI 19 carries 63 yards 3.3 YPC Longest run 11 yards 18 carries 45 yards 2.5 YPC

vs. WASH 12 carries 45 yards 3.8 YPC Longest run 12 yards 11 carries 33 yards 3 YPC

vs. ARI 12 carries 49 yards 4.1 YPC Longest run 11 yards 11 carries 38 yards 3.45 YPC

vs. NYG 19 carries 91 yards 4.8 YPC Longest run 12 yards 18 carries 79 yards 4.39 YPC

vs. CLE 12 carries 54 yards 4.5 YPC Longest run 24 yards 11 carries 30 yards 2.73 YPC

vs. SEA 14 carries 34 yards 2.4 YPC Longest run 9 yards 13 carries 25 yards 1.92 YPC

vs. ATL 22 carries 89 yards 4 YPC Longest run 11 yards 21 carries 78 yards 3.71 YPC

vs. LAR 22 carries 96 yards 4.4 YPC Longest run 14 yards 21 carries 75 yards 3.57 yards


Seems Zeke has had many of those games.
 

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Pollard was great but he only rushed the ball 13 times. Although Zeke gets tired a lot, he is still capable of getting 25+ touches a game.

The number of touches mean nothing if a RB does little.

Zeke might not even break 1000 yards which is pitiful in a 16 game season. Zeke has 211 carries for 832 yards, 3.9 yard average, and 5 TDS. A whopping long of 26 yards. He also has a whopping 5 fumbles to add to his pathetic stats.

$15M for stinking. And getting winded while stinking.
Hey, I am sure Zeke leads the league in Low Key Fades.
 

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That's your opinion, no problem with it, to each his own.

But that begs the question - if Pollard is so good, why only 12 carries, in a game where the Cowboys were up 14-0 early? Seems tailor made to pound the ball and tire out the defense.
Well at 209 lbs Pollard isn't going to be very good at that. Also, in that 14-0 run, Pollard's first 3 carries went for 3,3 and 2 yards. Not much evidence he can move the chains.

Zeke and Pollard are different backs, have different talents. Neither can do everything at the top level in the league.

But Zeke has the size, weight and blocking ability Pollard doesn't have, as well as solid running ability, and while not as elusive as Pollard, he does have some, just look at the Bengals game, even with a calf issue that kept him out of this last game.

Cowboys would do well to keep both around...
You do know zeke has 4 games this year with 12 carries and one game with 10 carries, right? Based on what you said above, what does that say about zeke and the fact that he’s the second highest paid RB in the league and also happens to lead the league in fumbles.
 

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You do know zeke has 4 games this year with 12 carries and one game with 10 carries, right? Based on what you said above, what does that say about zeke and the fact that he’s the second highest paid RB in the league and also happens to lead the league in fumbles.

Says to be McCarthy is continuing his not using the running game much, that's his history at GB. And Moore isn't able to override MM..

So even if Zeke isn't here, Pollard isn't going to do much if any better...
 

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Lol! Not according to quote of the defensive players on the opposing upcoming teams every week. They all keep saying stopping him is the most important job. But hey, maybe they’re lying to make him feel better. Of coarse, then they wouldn’t be stacking the box. Pollard is barely a legitimate backup. Zeke is going to be here at least through 2023.... might want to deal with that reality.

Here's the real reality. Zeke is overrated, washed up, days are numbered. Pollard just completely exposed your hero for what he REALLY is. This is clearly the beginning of the end for your hero. Even a Zeke cry baby like you can see that Pollard is the much more effective back.
 

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Obviously, the demise of our OL has taken a cruel bite out of the performances of the C'boys' RB unit. Both Zeke and Pollard are feeling that sting by the open spaces the opponents' DLs being more of a rarity these days. The better YPCs should return to more flattering numbers whenever the o-linemen become more productive. For the time being, though, they will surely be wanting. The fact that Ezekiel's long runs have now become a thing of the past certainly won't help his cause in terms of his average YPCs. For that reason, alone, let's be merciful in the harsh judgments of our RBs. Their average YPCs might improve accordingly, with the OL's better talent materializing, assuming it occurs. I'm also hoping another RB will be added in April.
 
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The number of touches mean nothing if a RB does little.

Zeke might not even break 1000 yards which is pitiful in a 16 game season. Zeke has 211 carries for 832 yards, 3.9 yard average, and 5 TDS. A whopping long of 26 yards. He also has a whopping 5 fumbles to add to his pathetic stats.

$15M for stinking. And getting winded while stinking.
Hey, I am sure Zeke leads the league in Low Key Fades.


Zeke’s stats are meaningless to me if he can’t pop a long run every now and then..

Id rather have Tony Pollard and his big play threat and small contract in the backfield.

Pollard was the best player on the field yesterday for either team.
 

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Here's the real reality. Zeke is overrated, washed up, days are numbered.

No, that's your opinion. If for no other reason than he's still on the team. The future hasn't arrived yet, obviously.

Of course every NFL player's "days are numbered", it's just a matter of when. Care to put an exact number on Zeke's "numbers"?
 

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No, that's your opinion. If for no other reason than he's still on the team. The future hasn't arrived yet, obviously.

Of course every NFL player's "days are numbered", it's just a matter of when. Care to put an exact number on Zeke's "numbers"?

Its all in the contract to be honest. Im sure if the Cowboys could get out from under that deal they would do it THIS year. I would predict the moment the cap hit isnt too alarming. Somewhere in the 5 million dollar dead money range? Knowing Jones he will still push Zeke on this team.

Emotionally, I am preparing for Zeke through next season at least. All I can hope for is someone gets smart and splits carries or goes with a hot hand strategy.
 

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No, that's your opinion. If for no other reason than he's still on the team. The future hasn't arrived yet, obviously.

Of course every NFL player's "days are numbered", it's just a matter of when. Care to put an exact number on Zeke's "numbers"?

If the Cowboys can’t trade him early in March, then he will be gone after the 2021 season. One more year max. Only thing keeping him from getting cut or traded is the cap hit.

Now if Zeke would happen to get in any off the field trouble, then Zeke will be gone ASAP. Party on, Zeke.
 

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Zeke’s stats are meaningless to me if he can’t pop a long run every now and then..

Id rather have Tony Pollard and his big play threat and small contract in the backfield.

Pollard was the best player on the field yesterday for either team.

Pollards ONE long run was due as much to sloppy tackling as it was to Pollard's ability. Two 49ers knocked each other off the ball, allowing Pollard to break free, and there was no deep safety in front of him after he got free of the line.

Otherwise his best work was as a receiver. Pollard no doubt has running ability but he's not shown to be able to be the bell cow back Zeke has been before this year, and may be again...
 

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If the Cowboys can’t trade him early in March, then he will be gone after the 2021 season. One more year max. Only thing keeping him from getting cut or traded is the cap hit.

Now if Zeke would happen to get in any off the field trouble, then Zeke will be gone ASAP. Party on, Zeke.

Well that's the great thing about predictions, isn't it? Won't know until it happens.

Or not....
 

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Says to be McCarthy is continuing his not using the running game much, that's his history at GB. And Moore isn't able to override MM..

So even if Zeke isn't here, Pollard isn't going to do much if any better...
The guy is asking to be taken out of the game, even on critical downs, because he cannot handle the work load. He’s 5th in carries this year and leading the league in fumbles, he’s a liability every time he touches the ball.

Heard the same excuses under JG even though if it weren’t for Garrett then zeke never would have had those rushing titles. Last year wasn’t much different, he had 4 games with 13 rushes or less.
 

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If the Cowboys can’t trade him early in March, then he will be gone after the 2021 season. One more year max. Only thing keeping him from getting cut or traded is the cap hit.

Now if Zeke would happen to get in any off the field trouble, then Zeke will be gone ASAP. Party on, Zeke.

GREAT POINT!!! I didnt factor that in. Heres hoping he gets drunk and beats up his GF again.
 

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Pollards ONE long run was due as much to sloppy tackling as it was to Pollard's ability. Two 49ers knocked each other off the ball, allowing Pollard to break free, and there was no deep safety in front of him after he got free of the line.

Otherwise his best work was as a receiver. Pollard no doubt has running ability but he's not shown to be able to be the bell cow back Zeke has been before this year, and may be again...
TY nice run but he was 2.9 YPC before that GIFT.. nothing to brag about ..i like pollard but he cant carry Zekes jock as fulltime rock hauler..

Pollard and Zeke are a nice compliment t each other but the OL and the OC are the issues in our run game..not the RBs
 

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Pollards ONE long run was due as much to sloppy tackling as it was to Pollard's ability. Two 49ers knocked each other off the ball, allowing Pollard to break free, and there was no deep safety in front of him after he got free of the line.

Otherwise his best work was as a receiver. Pollard no doubt has running ability but he's not shown to be able to be the bell cow back Zeke has been before this year, and may be again...


Kamara’s best work is as a receiver too..

That’s the type of back he compares too..


If Saquon Barkley has that game yesterday the NFL world would be freaking out l.
 

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TY nice run but he was 2.9 YPC before that GIFT.. nothing to brag about ..i like pollard but he cant carry Zekes jock as fulltime rock hauler..

Pollard and Zeke are a nice compliment t each other but the OL and the OC are the issues in our run game..not the RBs

So I guess these stats show Zeke can't even carry his own jock then based on your logic:

Zeke's rushing performance for 2020 before and after his longest run:

vs. CINN 12 carries 48 yards 4.0 YPC Longest run 26 yards 11 carries 22 yards 2.0 YPC

vs. WASH 10 carries 32 yards 3.2 YPC Longest run 8 yards 9 carries 24 yards 2.67 YPC

vs. PITT 18 carries 51 yards 2.8 YPC Longest run 10 Yards 17 carries 41 yards 2.41 YPC

vs. PHI 19 carries 63 yards 3.3 YPC Longest run 11 yards 18 carries 45 yards 2.5 YPC

vs. WASH 12 carries 45 yards 3.8 YPC Longest run 12 yards 11 carries 33 yards 3 YPC

vs. CLE 12 carries 54 yards 4.5 YPC Longest run 24 yards 11 carries 30 yards 2.73 YPC

vs. SEA 14 carries 34 yards 2.4 YPC Longest run 9 yards 13 carries 25 yards 1.92 YPC
 

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Pollards ONE long run was due as much to sloppy tackling as it was to Pollard's ability. Two 49ers knocked each other off the ball, allowing Pollard to break free, and there was no deep safety in front of him after he got free of the line.

Otherwise his best work was as a receiver. Pollard no doubt has running ability but he's not shown to be able to be the bell cow back Zeke has been before this year, and may be again...
You mean like when zeke had his longest run of the year which was 26 yards against Cincinnati? He “averaged” 4 ypc that game but without that one run his average would have been ~2.2 ypc.

When people pointed that out, zeke’s defenders and Ronnie, were quick to jump on them and say you can’t discount those runs, it’s still part of the average, yadda yadda yadda but now that same reasoning doesn’t apply to Pollard just a week later?

More zeke defender hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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