Try taking off your Fanatic Hat! What is best for the Future of our Team?

[G2]

Of course the players and coaches are not tanking.

It would be smart for our future though if Jerry called down to Big Mike and said start playing the young guys. I want to see what Anae has!

Probably because he's not that good. He was on the field vs. San Fran. Another 5th round project.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Cowboys have backups all over the place for the most part the OL is backups. I expect players to go out and do their jobs. Dallas will draft high regardless.

We are down to our 3rd string tackles and we have the worst defense in the NFL and the worst DC. We can’t consistently stop the run or run the ball.

You want this team, one and done in the playoffs? Good for you.

I want a top 4-6 draft pick in every round!

 

[MyFairLady]

I agree regarding Jerry, but he has started to take a back seat.

I thought you told me you were a realist.

 

[Verdict]

With the players we have available right now we cannot consistently stop the run. We cannot consistently run the ball. We are playing our 3rd string tackles. We give up the most points in the NFL. Our defense lacks talent and does not work together because our DC is terrible.

Of course players and coaches want to win every game, because they are actually playing and coaching in the games, but fans, are sitting in their easy chairs just watching the games. Fans have the ability to root for what is best for their team’s future. Some fans, most fans are very short sighted and want instant gratification. So regardless of the circumstances,( see above: we can’t stop the run or run consistently etc.) most fans always want their team to win every game.

I’m not one of these fans. I am a realist. I realize our team has, a snow balls chance in hel_ of making a run in the playoffs. I’m willing to delay my gratification this year, when it comes to team wins, ( I cheer for individual plays and players) to improve our chances of winning a Super Bowl in the future.

If we lose our last 2 games, hopefully in competitive games, we still have a chance for the 4th pick in the draft according to Tankathon stats. ( Carolina needs to beat Washington=50/50, Atlanta needs to beat Tampa Bay=50/50, Houston needs to beat the Bungles=90/10

If we win 1 more game we will be picking between 10-13.

We need the 4th or 5th pick in the draft to give us more options( trade back, etc. ). We need new starters from the draft because we won’t be able to afford many Free Agents. We will come back strong next year with a healthy team and a bunch of early round draft picks!

Losing a couple close games now, helps our team win BIG in the future. Don’t settle for late season wins, (this makes Jerry so happy) which really do hurt our future!

Are you a Realist or a Fanatic?

This is the only reasonable point of view, in my opinion. Drafting higher is an advantage. We should take advantage of that.

 

[Verdict]

What percentage of the fans on this board do you think are Realist?

Not nearly enough.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Probably because he's not that good. He was on the field vs. San Fran. Another 5th round project.

He may not be, but let’s find out.

You said, because he MAY not be that good. We don’t know! Let’s find out this season so we know what we have for next year. Maybe we don’t need to draft a DE if Anae can play!

 

[Verdict]

Some here believe that high draft picks dont impact future team success.
While doing so they also criticize others who don't share their opinion that this year's team has a chance at Super Bowl success.

All the while questioning fanhood and calling others quitters as though they have some skewed moral high ground that they cheer from.

It's not even worth trying to explain to the ignorant anymore.

Jerry's cultural status quo disease effects not only all his family and their organizational roles, but also coaches, players and even the CZ fan base.

I'm thankfully immune.

Pretty amazing, isn’t it?

 

[G2]

He may not be, but let’s find out.

You said, because he MAY not be that good. We don’t know! Let’s find out this season so we know what we have for next year. Maybe we don’t need to draft a DE if Anae can play!

That's not how it works. The best players should play.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Not nearly enough.

I’m thinking 30-40% of fans are Realist.

Fanatics are loud,aggressive and opinionated, without much of a filter, so it is hard to tell, though.

 

[Captain43Crash]

That's not how it works. The best players should play.

We don’t know for sure if he isn’t better than Armstrong. Some guys are not good practice players, but step up in game situations.

 

[quickccc]

We cannot consistently run the ball. We are playing our 3rd string tackles.

With our run game I’m not yet convinced we cannot run the ball. it would help if our OC were more created than just running it up the gut middle or draw plays.
For all he does in the pass game with the WRs/TEs, Kellen doesn’t seem to know anything else when

- It comes to the run game, that’s why it is up to his more experienced coaches ala McCarthy, Philibin) to help and offer him in suggestions and approaches.
I’ve seen film of MM’s run formations with 2 back split formations (something that’s not even a thought here)

- And implemented misdirection and counter that foes had issues pinpointing reads and run angles , and GB ran successfully out of this.
But we don’t even try this with Kellen running the show. The offense is all his.

- Other factors? Steele is a mediocre run blocker; he either falls off blocks, stonewalled and overpowered; Schultz is very average as a blocker.
Sorry but I missed the physical lead blocking FB (and not Olawele !!)

- Terrible that we’ve not well designing and scheming better for Pollard since he’s been here. That’s explosive plays left off the field that this offense could use.
He could be what Aaron Jones to GB,..Tarik Cohen,austin to Chargers.. Ekeier Ryheim Hines to Colts

i don't expect us to be dominant, but have some semblance of running success- and especially use our RBs efficiently and effectively in the pass game.

 

[Captain43Crash]

That's exactly my point. Why bother hoping/writing over and over again about something that does not happen?

Even as a Realist, I have hope. Though not a lot.

 

[Typhus]

You may not like it, but those are the facts. Like I said, I’m not a fan of Jerry’s, but his drafts have been above average over the past 10-12 years.

Jerrys drafts?
IDK what that means...

 

[Captain43Crash]

sorry no fan hopes for losses . dont care look at the jets and Cinci and others who won when they should have lost..thats not sports sorry the draft will pay of regardless of our spot, if you cant find quality day 1 starters at 10 in all 7 rounds they you shouldnt be part of the draft process. Players are found great ones all over the draft.

our current needs on defense shows around 10 isnt a bad place to be to grab our BPA on defense without reaching..

draft picls are not locks fans forget all the busts in the top 10 yearly..just make great picks when its your turn and we will be fine..

my fan hat has nothing to do with anything..players and coaches dont play to lose so as fan i do not expect them to lose and wish for it..I hope they win out..if they dont a year like this makes losses more tolerable because well you get better draft pick and easier schedule next season(also a bit skewed because teams change a lot year to year)

BTW wanting to Lose to SF, Philly, and NY shows you are not much of fan if that ok.. these are hated rivals and no amount of draft stock could make me want to lose..i hope we stomp the guts out of both of them to finish the season..

its a lot different if we were at 1 or 2 and had shot at 1 , the only way any of this tank talk works if you are the team picking first , you truly can take the best player in the draft. However, im still not on board with tanking and the jets seem to not have an issue with slipping to 2 fr a moment and winning, so why should we?

I can see you cannot see another fans point of view. Your a fanatic. Jerry loves his fanatics!

 

[Captain43Crash]

Jerrys drafts?
IDK what that means...

Jerrys drafts?
IDK what that means...

He’s the owner! The Cowboys drafts over the past 10-12 years. Is that better?

 

[Ekspozed]

It can. What makes you think it absolutely would not?

Since according to reports there are no studs beyond Trevor, it may not matter all that much this year.

It might. But my point is 4th pick doesnt make or break your team. Many teams have been picking in the top 5 every year and still there.

 

[Typhus]

He’s the owner! The Cowboys drafts over the past 10-12 years. Is that better?

you are right,, I was being a jerk,,

 

[jterrell]

This is the thing.
Job 1 here is finding out what you have "on campus".
The draft is not some miracle cure like people pretend.

Hired as actual GM tomorrow the first step is determining do you retain this coaching staff in whole or part.
To answer that I need to see if the players are being put in positions to succeed.
Early in the year they simply were not on defense and that dragged on for QUITE some time.
So I need to see if this improved defense is a mirage of playing bad teams or real adjustments working.
Do I lop off Mike Nolan's head or do I give him my ear as to what he needs on this defense for it work.
Strong lean towards Ned Starking him.

Job 2 is finding my roster answers going forward.
The difference between picking 5th and 11th is FAR LESS important to me than finding out if Wilson can start next year at SS.
If I can project Biadasz and McGovern as legit starters.
Any of these FA to be DBs worth keeping?
Any of these DT FA to be worth keeping?
How much should I offer Aldon Smith?
Can Randy Gregory handle starting snaps?
Is LVE a sunk cost bust?
Can Jaylon be salvaged?

Then Medicals/Health.
Dak is coming back if my docs suggest he'll be 100% by week 1 I am set at QB. If not then I gotta find a guy who can start short term which means dipping into my FA cash.
Is Tyron done? Was this just a down year? Can he battle through 13 weeks a year now like he has?
Is La'el gonna be full go? Did his injury cause perm damage? Can he start earl yin off-season to knock of rust before the season?
LVE... is he gonna be able to play going forward based on health?


Final Job is evaluating this draft class.
It's far more important to hit on draft picks than to pick high.
Last year Dallas got CeeDee, Diggs, Gallimore and Biadasz drafting from the middle of the round.
A repeat of that and you are fine from a young talent standpoint.
I have PLENTY of draft capital given the comp picks I am being awarded.
I can move up,down or around as needed to fill holes.
If I am drafting 11th and a guy I love fell there then I am taking him.
If I have no one graded out that highly then I can try to fall a bit.

As GM the key thing is to create the culture.
That means backing your HC when he has to make tough decisions and move on from guys like Poe, Worley and Griffin.
It means NEVER accepting losing a good thing.
NEVER laying down for a draft slot.
Are the Pats or Chiefs out there losing games to draft higher?
Pats are in full on rebuilding mode with no QB and have won 6 games.
Why? Culture.

 

[Captain43Crash]

This is the thing.
Job 1 here is finding out what you have "on campus".
The draft is not some miracle cure like people pretend.

Hired as actual GM tomorrow the first step is determining do you retain this coaching staff in whole or part.
To answer that I need to see if the players are being put in positions to succeed.
Early in the year they simply were not on defense and that dragged on for QUITE some time.
So I need to see if this improved defense is a mirage of playing bad teams or real adjustments working.
Do I lop off Mike Nolan's head or do I give him my ear as to what he needs on this defense for it work.
Strong lean towards Ned Starking him.

Job 2 is finding my roster answers going forward.
The difference between picking 5th and 11th is FAR LESS important to me than finding out if Wilson can start next year at SS.
If I can project Biadasz and McGovern as legit starters.
Any of these FA to be DBs worth keeping?
Any of these DT FA to be worth keeping?
How much should I offer Aldon Smith?
Can Randy Gregory handle starting snaps?
Is LVE a sunk cost bust?
Can Jaylon be salvaged?

Then Medicals/Health.
Dak is coming back if my docs suggest he'll be 100% by week 1 I am set at QB. If not then I gotta find a guy who can start short term which means dipping into my FA cash.
Is Tyron done? Was this just a down year? Can he battle through 13 weeks a year now like he has?
Is La'el gonna be full go? Did his injury cause perm damage? Can he start earl yin off-season to knock of rust before the season?
LVE... is he gonna be able to play going forward based on health?


Final Job is evaluating this draft class.
It's far more important to hit on draft picks than to pick high.
Last year Dallas got CeeDee, Diggs, Gallimore and Biadasz drafting from the middle of the round.
A repeat of that and you are fine from a young talent standpoint.
I have PLENTY of draft capital given the comp picks I am being awarded.
I can move up,down or around as needed to fill holes.
If I am drafting 11th and a guy I love fell there then I am taking him.
If I have no one graded out that highly then I can try to fall a bit.

As GM the key thing is to create the culture.
That means backing your HC when he has to make tough decisions and move on from guys like Poe, Worley and Griffin.
It means NEVER accepting losing a good thing.
NEVER laying down for a draft slot.
Are the Pats or Chiefs out there losing games to draft higher?
Pats are in full on rebuilding mode with no QB and have won 6 games.
Why? Culture.

Many good points.

I want this team to fight to the end in these last 2 games and lose. I don't want anyone to lay down! I want it to be clear we must get rid of Nolan and 3-4 starters on the D.

When healthy, this team has the talent, with a strong draft, to be a Super Bowl contender next year. They have a much better opportunity for a strong draft if they are drafting #4-6 than #12-14. The draft will be extremely important this year due to the salary cap situation. We will have less money for higher priced Free Agents.

You want instant gratification with a FATALLY flawed team, many fans do. I’m thinking about a BRIGHTER future.

Lose small battles, to prepare yourself to win the war! Fanatics do not understand this.

 

[Doomsday101]

We are down to our 3rd string tackles and we have the worst defense in the NFL and the worst DC. We can’t consistently stop the run or run the ball.

You want this team, one and done in the playoffs? Good for you.

I want a top 4-6 draft pick in every round!

We need DT but even based on draft experts top DT should be on the draft board later in the 1st rd. As for playoffs odds are against us but you bet I would take a trip to post season any day any year. I see post season as a 1 game situation you win you move on you lose your out but fact is making post season is the only way you can advance. As for top 4 picks that ensures you nothing, hell Jets have been drafting high for a long time and up until this season so have the Browns and the Jags. I want good players like anyone else but draft does not guarantee you anything. I think Dallas has found guys who have shown they belong on this team like Shultz and like Donavan Wilson and no way would I shut them down to get a draft pick I want them out there continue to work and improve as players because they have a chance to help this team beyond this season. I don't care for loser mentality nor do I want to see that on this team. Players who accept it needs to be removed from this team.