Try taking off your Fanatic Hat! What is best for the Future of our Team?

[Whirlwin]

With the players we have available right now we cannot consistently stop the run. We cannot consistently run the ball. We are playing our 3rd string tackles. We give up the most points in the NFL. Our defense lacks talent and does not work together because our DC is terrible.

Of course players and coaches want to win every game, because they are actually playing and coaching in the games, but fans, are sitting in their easy chairs just watching the games. Fans have the ability to root for what is best for their team’s future. Some fans, most fans are very short sighted and want instant gratification. So regardless of the circumstances,( see above: we can’t stop the run or run consistently etc.) most fans always want their team to win every game.

I’m not one of these fans. I am a realist. I realize our team has, a snow balls chance in hel_ of making a run in the playoffs. I’m willing to delay my gratification this year, when it comes to team wins, ( I cheer for individual plays and players) to improve our chances of winning a Super Bowl in the future.

If we lose our last 2 games, hopefully in competitive games, we still have a chance for the 4th pick in the draft according to Tankathon stats. ( Carolina needs to beat Washington=50/50, Atlanta needs to beat Tampa Bay=50/50, Houston needs to beat the Bungles=90/10

If we win 1 more game we will be picking between 10-13.

We need the 4th or 5th pick in the draft to give us more options( trade back, etc. ). We need new starters from the draft because we won’t be able to afford many Free Agents. We will come back strong next year with a healthy team and a bunch of early round draft picks!

Losing a couple close games now, helps our team win BIG in the future. Don’t settle for late season wins, (this makes Jerry so happy) which really do hurt our future!

Are you a Realist or a Fanatic?

There’s only one thing that’s going to help this team in the future. That’s for Jerry Jones to sit in a booth shut his mouth

 

[Whirlwin]

There has only been one Constance. And that’s Jerry. Until he goes away we’re not winning. And that’s reality

 

[plasticman]

A funeral followed by a new GM.

No, I am not being insenisitive!

Jerry has told us this. He has said that he will never step down as GM. It then follows logically that if this is true added to the fact that he is the major reason for the Cowboys performance over the past 25 seasons, you have to conclude that they will only be better when Jones is no longer the GM.

And since he won't step down..........

 

[gjkoeppen]

Have you tried taking off your Fanatic hat and looking at it from a Realistic fans point of view. Do you understand Realistic fans are willing to delay a little gratification( lose a few games at the end of a hopeless season ) for a better opportunity to win a Super Bowl in the future?

There are many ways to be a fan. Many of you Fanatics don’t realize this. This is understandable, after all, you are Fanatics.

I know understanding things is very difficult for you but this is the last time I'm going to say this. THERE WILL NEVER BE A TIME WHERE I WILL WANT THE COWBOYS TO LOSE AND FREELY ACCEPT WHERE THAT PUTS THEM IN THE DRAFT. There is a reason they keep score in games and that is because the object is to WIN THE GAMES. Funny thing, not ha ha funny, that teams get to the playoffs year after year and some win the Super Bowl that pick outside the top 5 picks. They get really good players outside the top 5 picks. Here's a very simple little fact for you. There are more really good players taken after the top five picks than are taken in the top 5 picks. You people that want the Cowboys to lose just don't understand that very simple fact and think the ONLY way the Cowboys can get better is with a top 5 pick. I've repeated this to many times so don't bother to reply because I'll just ignore it
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[Hawkeye0202]

A "realist" would realize that fans wanting the team to win has no bearing on whether the team actually wins.

Just saying ...

 

[jterrell]

Many good points.

I want this team to fight to the end in these last 2 games and lose. I don't want anyone to lay down! I want it to be clear we must get rid of Nolan and 3-4 starters on the D.

When healthy, this team has the talent, with a strong draft, to be a Super Bowl contender next year. They have a much better opportunity for a strong draft if they are drafting #4-6 than #12-14. The draft will be extremely important this year due to the salary cap situation. We will have less money for higher priced Free Agents.

You want instant gratification with a FATALLY flawed team, many fans do. I’m thinking about a BRIGHTER future.

Lose small battles, to prepare yourself to win the war! Fanatics do not understand this.

Winning or losing the final two games makes very little difference to me as a fan.
And drafting 5-6 versus 11-12 doesn't really mean much. I mean we can look around the league.
The league's best player, Pat Mahomes, went 10th.
The best defender, Aaron Donald, 13th
Best pass rusher, TJ Watt, went well guessing you know where he went.

Dallas best:
QB and overall player R4
Zack Martin 16th
DLaw 34th
We got Byron Jones at 31, top 5 CB.

We drafted Mo Claiborne at what 6?
Zeke at 4.

Tyron Smith at 11.

Again there's zero actual evidence drafting higher really helps.

Good teams stay good long term and bad teams stay bad long term.
CLE took what 10 years to improve.
Jets in that same cycle.
Steelers, Pats, Seahawks have been finding a way to compete yearly for a long time.
Fans want to lose so they have better mock drafts all off-season. It's goofy and has zero to do with reality.

4 years ago draft:
Mitch Trubisky goes 2nd
Solomon Thomas 3rd
Fournette 4th
Jamal Adams 6
Pat 10
DeShaun12

Can you imagine how happy the Bears would have been now to have drafted 10th and been "forced" to take DeShaun or Pat??

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

With the players we have available right now we cannot consistently stop the run. We cannot consistently run the ball. We are playing our 3rd string tackles. We give up the most points in the NFL. Our defense lacks talent and does not work together because our DC is terrible.

Of course players and coaches want to win every game, because they are actually playing and coaching in the games, but fans, are sitting in their easy chairs just watching the games. Fans have the ability to root for what is best for their team’s future. Some fans, most fans are very short sighted and want instant gratification. So regardless of the circumstances,( see above: we can’t stop the run or run consistently etc.) most fans always want their team to win every game.

I’m not one of these fans. I am a realist. I realize our team has, a snow balls chance in hel_ of making a run in the playoffs. I’m willing to delay my gratification this year, when it comes to team wins, ( I cheer for individual plays and players) to improve our chances of winning a Super Bowl in the future.

If we lose our last 2 games, hopefully in competitive games, we still have a chance for the 4th pick in the draft according to Tankathon stats. ( Carolina needs to beat Washington=50/50, Atlanta needs to beat Tampa Bay=50/50, Houston needs to beat the Bungles=90/10

If we win 1 more game we will be picking between 10-13.

We need the 4th or 5th pick in the draft to give us more options( trade back, etc. ). We need new starters from the draft because we won’t be able to afford many Free Agents. We will come back strong next year with a healthy team and a bunch of early round draft picks!

Losing a couple close games now, helps our team win BIG in the future. Don’t settle for late season wins, (this makes Jerry so happy) which really do hurt our future!

Are you a Realist or a Fanatic?

I'm a fan...short for fanatic and fanatical. That hat is permanently attached.

I don't see any value in torch cutting it off to do the "I'm so objective GMer" hat on. What for? To look so cool to other fans you despise? Or trying to impress? There is ZERO accountability, nothing to lose...and all you have to gain is PRETENDING to be the best general manager ever. I don't see the appeal in it.

Now...if you want to do it for FUN....like I think you did here...okay fine. But too many people take it way to seriously. If you're going to ridicule other fans because they aren't pretending is seriously as you are...wel...to paraphrase a wise man from this forum...you aren't the kind of fan I'm interested in,.
Okay my rant is ended. Maybe I can try to actually address your General Manager points.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Winning or losing the final two games makes very little difference to me as a fan.
And drafting 5-6 versus 11-12 doesn't really mean much. I mean we can look around the league.
The league's best player, Pat Mahomes, went 10th.
The best defender, Aaron Donald, 13th
Best pass rusher, TJ Watt, went well guessing you know where he went.

Dallas best:
QB and overall player R4
Zack Martin 16th
DLaw 34th
We got Byron Jones at 31, top 5 CB.

We drafted Mo Claiborne at what 6?
Zeke at 4.

Tyron Smith at 11.

Again there's zero actual evidence drafting higher really helps.

Good teams stay good long term and bad teams stay bad long term.
CLE took what 10 years to improve.
Jets in that same cycle.
Steelers, Pats, Seahawks have been finding a way to compete yearly for a long time.
Fans want to lose so they have better mock drafts all off-season. It's goofy and has zero to do with reality.

4 years ago draft:
Mitch Trubisky goes 2nd
Solomon Thomas 3rd
Fournette 4th
Jamal Adams 6
Pat 10
DeShaun12

Can you imagine how happy the Bears would have been now to have drafted 10th and been "forced" to take DeShaun or Pat??

Okay...I guess I don't have to address after all. Expertly done right here. My compliments. That is so spot on it hurts a little bit.

 

[jterrell]

Okay...I guess I don't have to address after all. Expertly done right here. My compliments. That is so spot on it hurts a little bit.

ty sir.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Wow this coke vs pepsi argument on who the bigger most real fan is, is just so enlightening

 

[blueblood70]

I can see you cannot see another fans point of view. Your a fanatic. Jerry loves his fanatics!

nah im a true fan of sports not jerry and no fan io know of a real fan hopes his team loses so he can be higher in the draft..

that some new spawn of fan from the madden/FF leagues that create a bunch of words like tank and wish for losses as if picking at the top of the daft is some miracle fix..its not Cleveland hasn't been to the layoffs since what 2008 hasn't won their division in 17 years.. theyve had so many high first round picks some 2 and few year THREE 1st round picks , more coaches, gms, and busts that ive lost count..



we can be effective at 10-15 with some real nice drafts picks in every round a few FAs and get our actual PB players back healthy //we arent the team picking 1-3 year in and year it an dost of this been doing it for a real LONG TIME..

tell me where di TJ watt, Donald, Mahomes , Rogers, Dak , Brady and many others go in the draft? how they turn out>? its not about where you pick but who you pick lie maybe not getting watt over taco for example that was way late first round. Maybe takig Jack over JS in the same spot not higher different players..

 

[bigE79]

MERRY CHRISTMAS

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU BUDDY.

 

[Captain43Crash]

We need DT but even based on draft experts top DT should be on the draft board later in the 1st rd. As for playoffs odds are against us but you bet I would take a trip to post season any day any year. I see post season as a 1 game situation you win you move on you lose your out but fact is making post season is the only way you can advance. As for top 4 picks that ensures you nothing, hell Jets have been drafting high for a long time and up until this season so have the Browns and the Jags. I want good players like anyone else but draft does not guarantee you anything. I think Dallas has found guys who have shown they belong on this team like Shultz and like Donavan Wilson and no way would I shut them down to get a draft pick I want them out there continue to work and improve as players because they have a chance to help this team beyond this season. I don't care for loser mentality nor do I want to see that on this team. Players who accept it needs to be removed from this team.

Reread the post. I didn’t say shut anyone down. Of course players play to win. Fans have the ability to look beyond the next game. I’m looking for a better future. That future starts with a top 6 pick.

 

[Captain43Crash]

nah im a true fan of sports not jerry and no fan io know of a real fan hopes his team loses so he can be higher in the draft..

that some new spawn of fan from the madden/FF leagues that create a bunch of words like tank and wish for losses as if picking at the top of the daft is some miracle fix..its not Cleveland hasn't been to the layoffs since what 2008 hasn't won their division in 17 years.. theyve had so many high first round picks some 2 and few year THREE 1st round picks , more coaches, gms, and busts that ive lost count..



we can be effective at 10-15 with some real nice drafts picks in every round a few FAs and get our actual PB players back healthy //we arent the team picking 1-3 year in and year it an dost of this been doing it for a real LONG TIME..

tell me where di TJ watt, Donald, Mahomes , Rogers, Dak , Brady and many others go in the draft? how they turn out>? its not about where you pick but who you pick lie maybe not getting watt over taco for example that was way late first round. Maybe takig Jack over JS in the same spot not higher different players..

Fans are all different, but of course you don’t comprehend that because you are a fanatic.

 

[DallasEast]

I agree.

The section on rooting for your team to lose. Yes, it can be seen as negative, but I am doing it because I think it increases my teams opportunity for a brighter future. It is a Realistic approach to being a fan!

Illogical. Your negativity has zero effect on the team's win/loss/tie record. Neither does it influence the team's acquisition of players through the draft (or free agency for that matter).

"...I think it (i.e. your negativity) increases my team's opportunity for a brighter future."

Please elaborate how negativity, yours or anyone else's, manifests in tangible or even intangible ways relevant to how the franchise shall prosper in the real world. Not hypothetically. Real world cause-and-effect.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Illogical. Your negativity has zero effect on the team's win/loss/tie record. Neither does it influence the team's acquisition of players through the draft (or free agency for that matter).

"...I think it (i.e. your negativity) increases my team's opportunity for a brighter future."

Please elaborate how negativity, yours or anyone else's, manifests in tangible or even intangible ways relevant to how the franchise shall prosper in the real world. Not hypothetically. Real world cause-and-effect.

Losing the last 2 games increases our teams opportunity for a brighter future in my opinion. Not being negative. I misspoke.

 

[DallasEast]

Losing the last 2 games increases our teams opportunity for a brighter future in my opinion. Not being negative. I misspoke.

Are you... looking forward to the final two games ending in losses? Or would you like for the team to win, maybe, two games to finish the season?

 

[Captain43Crash]

Are you... looking forward to the final two games ending in losses? Or would you like for the team to win, maybe, two games to finish the season?

I want the 4th-6th pick in the draft. Two close losses will make that happen. I’m rooting for individual plays and players. I want Nolan and 3-4 starters on D gone. Jerry must know Nolan is in over his head.

This injured team, with a bad DC, is not capable of a playoff run. Give me a higher draft pick in every round for the opportunity of a better future!

 

[Doomsday101]

Reread the post. I didn’t say shut anyone down. Of course players play to win. Fans have the ability to look beyond the next game. I’m looking for a better future. That future starts with a top 6 pick.

Well that is what they are doing playing to win and as a fan I want to see them perform up to their ability. If they come up short so be it. We have no control but I be damned if I will cheer against them.

 

[DallasEast]

I want the 4th-6th pick in the draft. Two close losses will make that happen. I’m rooting for individual plays and players. I want Nolan and 3-4 starters on D gone. Jerry must know Nolan is in over his head.

This injured team, with a bad DC, is not capable of a playoff run. Give me a higher draft pick in every round for the opportunity of a better future!

lol @ "two close losses". A loss is a loss. Likewise, a win is a win. Adding the word 'close' into the mix does not change any game's outcome. Let's review:

• Personal desire: "I want the 4th-6th pick in the draft."
• Personal expectation: "Two close losses will make that happen."
• Personal concession: "I'm rooting for individual plays and players."

Logically, you want the franchise to select player(s) within a certain range in the upper portion of a round. You believe the team will play just well enough to not win the final two games. And you are willing to root for players to execute their assignments and convert plays but only to a specific performance level that does not convert the expected loses into unwanted wins.

In short, you want your favorite team to lose both games for a high draft pick. Cool. That's obvious.