Once Again, Dalton folds in a big game

[Vandyr]

OH GEEZ are you serious....now you are backing off.....must win or you stay home...must win or your season is done for sure...

seriously....I can't believe you back out like that.....grow some balls dude...

there is zero, similarities between Dak and Dalton.....Dalton was able to beat up a bunch of 4 win teams playing their back up QBs...he played a 5 win team with their 2nd year starting QB, having all these weapons at his disposal, defense getting him two turnovers and he folded...as he always does..

get real

You're blinded by your devotion to Dak, which is odd to say the least. He also only beats up teams with losing records playing backups.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're blinded by your devotion to Dak, which is odd to say the least. He also only beats up teams with losing records playing backups.

I am not devoted to Dak. I am devoted to cowboys as a fan....

and its a fact. 3 straight wins. having had 9 turnovers handed to him. and all three teams playing their back up QBs...that's dalton..

NY, 5-10 team at the time. their starting QB...Dalton lost the game..

its odd, you have such devotion to Dalton defending him as much as you do. I mean Dalton for gawd's sake

 

[Vandyr]

I am not devoted to Dak. I am devoted to cowboys as a fan....

and its a fact. 3 straight wins. having had 9 turnovers handed to him. and all three teams playing their back up QBs...that's dalton..

NY, 5-10 team at the time. their starting QB...Dalton lost the game..

its odd, you have such devotion to Dalton defending him as much as you do. I mean Dalton for gawd's sake

I've been very clear that I think Dalton is a middle of the road quarterback. I've said as much directly to you, more than once. I'm not defending him, his play is weak and it's obvious. I agree with you that he beats up on bad teams and loses to good ones...just like Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I've been very clear that I think Dalton is a middle of the road quarterback. I've said as much directly to you, more than once. I'm not defending him, his play is weak and it's obvious. I agree with you that he beats up on bad teams and loses to good ones...just like Dak.

that's the problem. Dalton is not a middle of the road QB. he is barely a decent back up QB at this point...

and there you go again, Dak has won a playoff game...Dalton never has...Dak went 7-1 in 2018 to lead the team to playoffs...Last year, yes, last year, a weird year, with lame duck coaches in the last year of their contract, a first year OC, we lost games to teams with losing record, beat a couple of teams with winning records....the facts are that this team is way more competitive with Dak, than with Dalton.....I want what's best for the team. Dalton + 20M in cap space is not going to make this competitive given the drop off in QB play.

and I find it funny, most Dak detractors say they don't want Dalton. but they don't want Dak and have no other plan to fill the QB position and some say, we can draft and develop one...didn't we do that with Dak? and now lets do it again? and what do we do if we draft and develop a QB? not sign him because asking price is too much..

no Dak detractor has been able to give any viable options....except I don't want to sign Dak...that's it...nothing else. they all say we want the cap space. I asked for names to sign and they couldn't give any (except one person said Leonard Williams)......

I am nto saying my opinion is the best, but at least its a plan....approach and reasoning that makes the team better and keeps the team competitive.

not signing Dak and that's it....is not a plan....its a *****ing session about contract value.

 

[Winonesoon]

Its almost as if he was told to miss some throws. 18 in one game is ridiculous. C'mon man, he's at least a better QB than that. Dallas version of tank?

 

[khiladi]

do you even read the articles or just the headlines....lazy lazy lazy...

read the articles. they don't support your lies.....don't be so lazy....

Yes, the articles that I actually provide the references for people to read don’t prove the point I don’t make, because you say so..

This is basically what all your responses amount to now, just “I say it, so it must be so, any actual worthwhile attempt to provide a real rebuttal be damned..”

 

[khiladi]

now you blame CD......did you know last year Dallas WRs had the highest number of drops in the NFL? yet no mention, but hey now, my Hero Dalton looks like the craap that he is and its CDs fault....

First of all, Dallas WRs did not have the highest number of drops in the NFL, outside of a Dallas fan who claimed 50 plus. Per standard publications, teams like New England with Brady had more WR drops. Further, if you look at the publications today, such as NBC sports it’s actually THIS YEAR, with Andy playing the majority of games that Dallas WRs had the highest number of drops at 31, per NBA sports for example which is highest than like the 24 major publications recorded thus year. And Andy threw way less than Dak did all last year.

And further, if you actually look at the numbers Dak per pretty much every standard publication was top 3 among INTs dropped by DBs.

 

[CowboyoWales]

that's the problem. Dalton is not a middle of the road QB. he is barely a decent back up QB at this point...

and there you go again, Dak has won a playoff game...Dalton never has...Dak went 7-1 in 2018 to lead the team to playoffs...Last year, yes, last year, a weird year, with lame duck coaches in the last year of their contract, a first year OC, we lost games to teams with losing record, beat a couple of teams with winning records....the facts are that this team is way more competitive with Dak, than with Dalton.....I want what's best for the team. Dalton + 20M in cap space is not going to make this competitive given the drop off in QB play.

and I find it funny, most Dak detractors say they don't want Dalton. but they don't want Dak and have no other plan to fill the QB position and some say, we can draft and develop one...didn't we do that with Dak? and now lets do it again? and what do we do if we draft and develop a QB? not sign him because asking price is too much..

no Dak detractor has been able to give any viable options....except I don't want to sign Dak...that's it...nothing else. they all say we want the cap space. I asked for names to sign and they couldn't give any (except one person said Leonard Williams)......

I am nto saying my opinion is the best, but at least its a plan....approach and reasoning that makes the team better and keeps the team competitive.

not signing Dak and that's it....is not a plan....its a *****ing session about contract value.

In a season where our offense relied on Zeke and Dak had an offish season. Its not all about Dak.

I bet you've got a poster of Dak on your wall

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes, the articles that I actually provide the references for people to read don’t prove the point I don’t make, because you say so..

This is basically what all your responses amount to now, just “I say it, so it must be so, any actual worthwhile attempt to provide a real rebuttal be damned..”

you have provided nothing, and when we used your own standards of measure on dalton you dismissed it...now it obvious you didn't read the articles, because if you read you would have seen that it actually doesn't prove what you attempted to do....you saw the title, click bait....you scanned the top paragraph and the middle....and you said, yep it validates what I said...

yes, real rebuttal be damned....fiction and made up stories is rule of the day with you

 

[khiladi]

you have provided nothing, and when we used your own standards of measure on dalton you dismissed it...now it obvious you didn't read the articles, because if you read you would have seen that it actually doesn't prove what you attempted to do....you saw the title, click bait....you scanned the top paragraph and the middle....and you said, yep it validates what I said...

yes, real rebuttal be damned....fiction and made up stories is rule of the day with you

Please inform me where the articles I posted didn’t prove what I attempted to prove, other than you claiming it so? Where exactly does an article with a title basically saying Dak is a leader and Wentz is not, proof that I didn’t read the article because I brought a clear quote from Dak saying his teammates doing practice hard, but proof you read the article and not just the title?

 

[G2]

You're blinded by your devotion to Dak, which is odd to say the least. He also only beats up teams with losing records playing backups.

Would you rather he didn't?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

First of all, Dallas WRs did not have the highest number of drops in the NFL, outside of a Dallas fan who claimed 50 plus. Per standard publications, teams like New England with Brady had more WR drops. Further, if you look at the publications today, such as NBC sports it’s actually THIS YEAR, with Andy playing the majority of games that Dallas WRs had the highest number of drops at 31, per NBA sports for example which is highest than like the 24 major publications recorded thus year. And Andy threw way less than Dak did all last year.

And further, if you actually look at the numbers Dak per pretty much every standard publication was top 3 among INTs dropped by DBs.

again, I didn't see you defending Dak when WRs dropped passes for Dak...you said its inaccurate throws....ALL OF THEM. now even if they didn't lead the league... which they did (The 2019 Cowboys led the NFL in drops. What led to the surge in unforced errors? – The Athletic)......they were up there, now you make up a story about New England....so does it mean Brady is inaccurate as you claimed Dak to be inaccurate and responsible for the dropped passes?

and if not for Dalton sucking up the joint, stinking everything in site, falling way behind in the first half, overthrowing, underthrowing to even give the WRs a chance to drop a pass....we wouldn't be talking about a dropped pass that would have been stopped way short of end zone anyway...Dalton collected a lot of garbage yards given how far behind the team was.....

now, without evidence, and just some cockamaime logic, of the 31 it was mostly WRs dropping passes for Dalton, although Dak played 5 games and Dalton Played 9......but as some of you Dalton Fans claimed early on, the WR group and offense had something against Dalton to make him look back.....

so as you said....a lot of the drops were probably due to inaccuracies so Dalton was inaccurate anyway as you said, so the CD drop was inaccurate throw I guess?......

Andy played less games as well...but hey facts don't matter.....

you have nothing to point to except your own twisted half arsed logic....you fail over and over and over and over and over and over again and you are trying to hard to save your sinking ship you tied to the loser Dalton and sounding more desparate every post....

and here yet again, as predictable as day and night, you failed...again

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In a season where our offense relied on Zeke and Dak had an offish season. Its not all about Dak.

I bet you've got a poster of Dak on your wall

you are losing it.....you said absolutely nothing above.....probably the most meaningless post you have ever had.....zero logic....and now resorting to insults....which is usually done when you feel you are losing the argument.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Please inform me where the articles I posted didn’t prove what I attempted to prove, other than you claiming it so? Where exactly does an article with a title basically saying Dak is a leader and Wentz is not, proof that I didn’t read the article because I brought a clear quote from Dak saying his teammates doing practice hard, but proof you read the article and not just the title?

do you even know what it is your are trying to prove? are dropped passes QBs fault? or receivers fault? because you have been on both sides of that fence. Last year it was Dak's fault, now you blame WRs for Dalton's ineptness. and came up with another made up stat that Dak had the highest number of dropped interceptions in the league.

there is no bottom to the pit you dig. is there? how low are you willing to go?

you pointed to an Article, in the first week of practice that hey Dak didn't throw a TD in practice....so Dak sucks....without knowing what he/coaches/team was trying to accomplish in those practices...but hey in first week of practice Dak didn't throw a TD...therefore Dak sucks....

and Dak called out his teammate...I have done that before....to get their head back in the game. he called them out because they weren't focused...we saw how the team responds to him and how they have always responded to his leadership...but hey....my ego got hurt because Dak called out his teammates...do you want me to find all the QBs who called out their teammates for not paying attention and not being focused...ala brady! Rodgers!Aikman!...

you will try to stick and spin to anything...like I said, there is no bottom to how low you are willing to go....

 

[khiladi]

do you even know what it is your are trying to prove? are dropped passes QBs fault? or receivers fault? because you have been on both sides of that fence. Last year it was Dak's fault, now you blame WRs for Dalton's ineptness. and came up with another made up stat that Dak had the highest number of dropped interceptions in the league.

there is no bottom to the pit you dig. is there? how low are you willing to go?

you pointed to an Article, in the first week of practice that hey Dak didn't throw a TD in practice....so Dak sucks....without knowing what he/coaches/team was trying to accomplish in those practices...but hey in first week of practice Dak didn't throw a TD...therefore Dak sucks....

and Dak called out his teammate...I have done that before....to get their head back in the game. he called them out because they weren't focused...we saw how the team responds to him and how they have always responded to his leadership...but hey....my ego got hurt because Dak called out his teammates...do you want me to find all the QBs who called out their teammates for not paying attention and not being focused...ala brady! Rodgers!Aikman!...

you will try to stick and spin to anything...like I said, there is no bottom to how low you are willing to go....

So basically you just spend a whole bunch of paragraphs affirming the articles stated exactly what I stated they said, but now your defense is that “we don’t know what the team was trying to accomplish” or “other leaders call out their teammates” even though you can’t give me one example where a QB, who takes a week to throw a TD in training camp, says “only I, Zeke and Witten practice hard and nobody else does”.. and you are here claiming I AM the one misquoting articles and saying they say what they don’t say..

Got it.. keep up with the excuses like the poor pinky of Dak against the Eagles..

 

[CowboyoWales]

you are losing it.....you said absolutely nothing above.....probably the most meaningless post you have ever had.....zero logic....and now resorting to insults....which is usually done when you feel you are losing the argument.

2018 - Dak's figures put him outside the top 10 QB's. Our running game got us to the play-offs. Which was a response to you lauding over the 1 playoff win we've had during Dak's reign.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So basically you just spend a whole bunch of paragraphs affirming the articles stated exactly what I stated they said, but now your defense is that “we don’t know what the team was trying to accomplish” or “other leaders call out their teammates” even though you can’t give me one example where a QB, who takes a week to throw a TD in training camp, says “only I, Zeke and Witten practice hard and nobody else does”.. and you are here claiming I AM the one misquoting articles and saying they say what they don’t say..

Got it.. keep up with the excuses like the poor pinky of Dak against the Eagles..

what!@?

I told you...you didn't read the articles.....and I never said I disagreed with what Dak did calling out his teammates for not focusing...
I found it and find it funny you sink to "Dak didn't throw a TD in practice so he sucks" approach...that smells of desperation and cluelessness

you are flailing, everywhere, aimlessly, just trying oh so desperately, soooo desparately throwing anything hoping something sticks....

your arguments are all over the place, lack cohesiveness, logic or approach. you can't even define what it is your are trying to accomplish or state.

you are everywhere dude...everywhere.......you totally aimless, meaningless drivel is sinking faster than the titanic.....

 

[CowboyoWales]

what!@?

I told you...you didn't read the articles.....and I never said I disagreed with what Dak did calling out his teammates for not focusing...
I found it and find it funny you sink to "Dak didn't throw a TD in practice so he sucks" approach...that smells of desperation and cluelessness

you are flailing, everywhere, aimlessly, just trying oh so desperately, soooo desparately throwing anything hoping something sticks....

your arguments are all over the place, lack cohesiveness, logic or approach. you can't even define what it is your are trying to accomplish or state.

you are everywhere dude...everywhere.......you totally aimless, meaningless drivel is sinking faster than the titanic.....

Calm down, you appear to be losing the argument again.

Why create a thread about Dalton? Are you so insecure about Dak that you have to try and jibe at anyone you see as a threat?

Dak is a lot better than Dalton ....NOT MANY THINK OTHERWISE.... but there is a valid argument that we go in a different direction as championships are years away and a lesser QB should be able to perform with our offense when its fit.

 

[5Stars]

Dalton has been average at best during his career, with the biggest issue with him is folding when it counts the most, having some of his absolute worst performances when it counts. he has had his 4 worst performances in his playoff games and was 1-12 in games that mattered...now 1-13.

yesterday he couldn't hit side of a barn in the first half. he couldn't even hit his usual dink and dunk throws. he made all the wrong reads and he held on to the ball way way too long at times leading to sacks....and his last throw was awful, plain bad for a veteran QB...as soon as he threw the ball, I saw 6 blue jersey's in the end zone and my immediate thought was why? why throw a floating duck when you see 6 blue jerseys' in the end zone and only two cowboys players....

in the end, Dalton couldn't beat any starting QBs in the league......

and now, having seen first hand, I am not sure he is even the answer to back up QB spot, if all he is able to do is beat 4-11 teams playing their back up QBs....a back up should be capable of keeping the team competitive, against average and good teams...he was never able to do that....

keeping Dalton is a mistake even as a back up....we could at least keep a low round draft developmental player. Dalton is not even developmental and there is no upside.

Yeah, at least Dak does not fold in a big game...oh, wait, he did fold in the ONE big game that he had against the eagles, but, that was someone else's fault...I forgot that part.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

2018 - Dak's figures put him outside the top 10 QB's. Our running game got us to the play-offs. Which was a response to you lauding over the 1 playoff win we've had during Dak's reign.

in 2018, we started 3-5, with Terrence "Stone hands" Williams and Hurns as the starting WRs, along with Geoff Swaim as the TE. oh what a crew......

mid season we traded for Cooper. gave Dak one weapon. is Cooper a top 10 WR? you decide.....but one weapon and in the last 8 games, we went 7-1, averaging about 24 per game vs 19 points in first 8 games. passing about 253 yards vs. 188 in the first 8 games....in contrast rushing yards dropped from 128 to 116. with one big anomoly in first 8 games, the 206 yard game against hapless jaguars.....where we scored 40 and had our way with them.

it was literally the tale of two season.