Dak never below .500 vs Watson garbage time stats

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He's got one more year of "bargain" and then his cap hit jumps to 40M in 2022 and 42M in 2023. Houston is a smart team and realize they won't be able to trade him without that one bargain year.

I know its a thrill to correct people, but your rebuttal can't also be misleading.

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Yes, the average is 33. If a team wants to rebalance that average, they can. It could still be 33, but instead, 33 each year.

You're right that if they don't redo it in some way, it will only be in the teens one year then explode to future Dak level cap hits of 40 or so....that is, assuming Dak gets 40/yr that some say he wants.

But my post was just the facts and not misleading at all. 33/yr average any way we slice it.
 

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how does Watson have special genes? what has he done to garner that....Rodgers, Mahomes I agree with....but watson!!! seriously....

and lets put the annointing oil away for a couple of years, and see how Herbert does over a 3 year span....Dak had a 13-3 season to start his career.......but now you want to put him in the dumpster.


As I said, talent is a thing.

Watson is on another level from Dak.
If you cant see it there's nothing i can do.
There's a reason Dak has never beaten out other QBs for a starting job going back to highschool.
He's as average as Dalton or Gilbert as far as talent goes. People just like him because he's a feel good story but if his name was joe smith the team would have moved on just ask gardner Minshew and other average guys like him.
 

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Aikman with no stacked defense after 1995 = does nothing. But Dak haters give him a pass and ignore his career 141 int's to 165 td's because his stacked teams won SB's. Dak has to carry the entire team and win a SB by himself.

Dak can't even carry his own fast food plate these days so not sure how is carrying the team alone. That said, if he is so great in your eyes then a bad oline or defense shouldn't matter as Dak should be able to carry the whole team to greatness.
 

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Bad special teams, Zeke not showing up vs good defenses, and the teams defense near the bottom in turnovers (thus not giving the offense good field position). Dak (like Aikman had with his SB teams) needs a consistent running game plus a defense that get's turnovers and stops on 3rd down.

So in other words Dak has every excuse under the sun by his defenders. Got it.
 

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As I said, talent is a thing.

Watson is on another level from Dak.
If you cant see it there's nothing i can do.
There's a reason Dak has never beaten out other QBs for a starting job going back to highschool.
He's as average as Dalton or Gilbert as far as talent goes. People just like him because he's a feel good story but if his name was joe smith the team would have moved on just ask gardner Minshew and other average guys like him.
Watson is a better playmaker, Dak is a better chain mover. If you can't see that there's nothing I can do!!!
 

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lets just remove anything that's inconvenient to your agenda....I am sure you can go in and find a few more reason to reduce that 29-24 record to 12-24....so spin away

Just stating the facts is all but you go ahead and defend Dak as you and others do by blaming the coaching staff, special teams, defense, weather, wrongly tied cleats, refs, waterboy, etc. You always find a way to blame everyone but Dak.
 

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"seriously dude" would be you trying to imply Prescott is just as talented as Rodgers and Mahomes. You do watch NFL football right?
no it doesn't...but hey you can spin things really well anyway you want. doesn't make it a fact....

your quote:

"" carry the entire team and win a SB by himself"

my response
"did Rodgers win a superbowl all by him lonesome self?"

I asked a question...

now spin away as dak detractors do....however, you are not as good as some of your brothers.
 

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As I said, talent is a thing.

Watson is on another level from Dak.
If you cant see it there's nothing i can do.
There's a reason Dak has never beaten out other QBs for a starting job going back to highschool.
He's as average as Dalton or Gilbert as far as talent goes. People just like him because he's a feel good story but if his name was joe smith the team would have moved on just ask gardner Minshew and other average guys like him.
watson has a 29-35 record. how is that special? he has a 1-2 playoff record.... over hyped. over rated.

and you lost all, and I mean all credibility and became a troll when you compared him to Dalton and gilbert...

see ya troll
 

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Just stating the facts is all but you go ahead and defend Dak as you and others do by blaming the coaching staff, special teams, defense, weather, wrongly tied cleats, refs, waterboy, etc. You always find a way to blame everyone but Dak.
oh, so you take offense to my factual statements but want to just nitpcik selectively to find stats that fit your agenda...

tell me how many superbowls would tom brady win with garrett as his head coach?
 

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oh, so you take offense to my factual statements but want to just nitpcik selectively to find stats that fit your agenda...

tell me how many superbowls would tom brady win with garrett as his head coach?
Does that include peewee league football?!!!!
 

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Watson has never had an OL or RG like Dak has had and the difference between the two, when down by seven in the fourth, this year are like night and Daks. Has Dak ever been sacked over sixty times in a season? Watson was WAY MORE clutch, while being sacked way more, while Dak’s stats were nothing but garbage time stats.

In fact, for all the excuses made for the ‘defense’ of Dak, the Texans have been ranked way worse pretty much every year Watson was starting. Dak has had a top half scoring defense every season he played except for this year, while it was Dalton who played with that garbage way more games than Dak.

I mean how many excuses we got to hear about Dak every year? I mean a statistically insignificant starting field position, meaning special teams, was another excuse just last year. A whopping three yard difference in starting field position between Dallas and the top ranked teams was the main excuse, but when Dak got to the red-zone he was complete mediocrity. But when a guy like Watson gets sacked like 62 times in one season, while Dak is pretty much fielding a top five pass protection OL every year he is here, Dak-mania is completely ‘ignorant’...
OMG. the RG. the RG...call all NFL front offices...the RG the most critical position on the offense to winning a championship. I think we should just draft the best LG and then maybe another RG in the second round in case of injuries. I mean its the RG after all....

and I find it funny, when some of you dak detractors speak of sacks, you blamed Dak. but now its Watson got sacked more...why did Watson get sacked so many times..

and is what Rottlisberger do yesterday against browns considered garbage time?

btw, watson has a 29-35 record....he probably has way more garbage time stats....
 

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I don't think this is true. Dak is a very good QB but will never be Mahomes/Rodgers/Brady. He's in that 4-10 range for QBs - well above average but not transcendent. Most Dak supporters believe this to be the case. I don't think I've seen many (if any) posters claiming he is a Mahomes type player.
that's pretty much true for most NFL QBs during each decade.....that's why those top 2 or 3 are transcendent...the rest are good.
 

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no it doesn't...but hey you can spin things really well anyway you want. doesn't make it a fact....

your quote:

"" carry the entire team and win a SB by himself"

my response
"did Rodgers win a superbowl all by him lonesome self?"

I asked a question...

now spin away as dak detractors do....however, you are not as good as some of your brothers.
I don't play your spinning game like you would like me to analytics boy wonder. Rodgers is extremely more talented than Dak. Do not need career, statistical, analytics to know that . So spin king, do want to now pretend iDak is a more talented QB than Mahomes? What say you Senator Spin Doctor? And be advised I'm wearing boots, so I can get a handle on the BS.
 

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Again, Dak and Watson are not the same player. Let’s look at this year for example.

In the last quarter, when down by seven:

Dak

22/36 61.1% 4.6 YPA 0 TDs 1 INT 2 sacks

Watson

55/71 77.5% 10.4 YPA 6 TDs 1 INT 8 sacks

Where is all the yards by Dak, when the game is close and on the line, per the stats. Even going by the sacks, Watson is getting sacks 1 times every 8 attempts, while Dak is getting sacked 1 time every 16 throws. And he’s doing it while checking down to a whopping less than 5 YPA.

And again, as I’ve stated many times, Dak is below league average in terms of QB rating when down by a 1-8 with four minutes to go, meaning if the Cowboys actually needs to rely on his arm to win, they end up sucking. This idea Dak is clutch all goes back to 2016, when he was a game manager, with a completely dominant line and he didn’t make mistakes. Nobody disputes that Dak can manage a game when he has an all-pro line and a RG wearing out defensive fronts, but he hasn’t showed anything in fives years to lead you to believe he can carry a team on his back.

Dak is the biggest paper-Tiger out there. Heck, if you want to talk about garbage time stats this year, even Watson can do it better when down 9-16 points

87 of 111 at a 77% 10 YPA clip 9 TD and 1 INT
42 of 61 at a 68% clip 8.8 YPA 3 TD and 1 INT

And Dak’s WRs are way better and he didn’t have Bill O’Brien or a garbage OL and his best WR traded away...

If you get a chance to swap Watson and Dak, especially if the OL is back to normal and Zeke still showing at times he can do it, you do it in a heartbeat, no questions asked based on the stats and supporting cast.
where is the source of your stats? you also claimed some cacamamie stat regarding Dak and Goff efficiency going to their second reads in a play action...

how far up you know what do you reach to get these stats?
 

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I don't play your spinning game like you would like me to analytics boy wonder. Rodgers is extremely more talented than Dak. Do not need career, statistical, analytics to know that . So spin king, do want to now pretend iDak is a more talented QB than Mahomes? What say you Senator Spin Doctor? And be advised I'm wearing boots, so I can get a handle on the BS.
oh, on the contrary...I fully agree. Rodgers is head and shoulders above almost all QBs in the league....I have never argued that point....but Rodgers didn't win anything all by his lonesome self......nobody does. they need help. its the degree of help they need and what they can do with the help when they have it....Brady is another QB that lifts all around him. perhaps Mahomes is in that conversation now....but all the others, need help. and good ones, produce high output when given those resources...

go ahead....spin away and you still didn't answer my question: Did Rodgers win a superbowl all by himself? or are you avoiding the question
 

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Dak and the 10 the overall pick for Watson. Watson is 2 years younger than Dak and is the superior player. He is under contract for 5 years. No headache in negotiating a contract. Watson has better pocket presence and is a more dynamic runner. Watson will light it up with Amari, Lamb, and Gallup.
 
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