Cowboys need to resign Dak before Baker and Josh Allen reset the market

[CowboyoWales]

Well, off the top of my head, Gallup has a contract coming up, Connor Williams has one coming up, Randy Gregory, LVE, I think Schultz might have one coming up, the team has over 20 FAs this next year that will need to be resigned or backfilled. So if you don't think we need a full roster, OK, but we aren't good now so how you gonna get better by not retaining these other guys who are young starters for us?

If fans think we can just cut/trade those contracts in 2022 and 2023, fail to in not just the Dead Cap, but also that it'll create further holes.

Then take into account the injuries and doubts over T Smith and Collins......and the needs totally outweigh any amount of drafting.

As you say look at LVE, do we extend him with concerns over injury or do we look to YET ANOTHER DRAFT NEED...... to go along with the whole of the LB corp as there's so many concerns over Jaylon (and Thomas gone this this year).

We are in a mess defensively and extending a QB isnt going to fix it.

 

[Sandyf]

Love it when we fans start to be concerned about the cap and who they can or will resign. Fact is Stephen will extend some contracts, will rework some contracts, will cut some guys, will move on from some guys (contracts expired and not resigned), will sign or resign some players that will be discussed forever i.e. Dak, and most likely sign some free agents that we will be excited/not excited about until we see them play. Will this year be different due to the cap, sure but how different is weeks away from anyone knowing except the front office of every team. Will the new TV deal have an impact, absolutely.

Most likely we will see some odd contracts that have of the fans will not care for in terms of length or money. Entirely likely a contract such as Dak could very well have multiple guaranteed bonuses that come at different years such one at the beginning, one say at year 4 and another even further down the line even if Dak only agreed to being here for 4 years. You just have a 10 year contract where is can opt out at 4 years if he wants but the bonuses would still be guaranteed. Means lost money down the road but entirely possible. If the contract guys are right about the cap though, it is suspected to be around $350 million per team by the end of the NFL/NFLPA contract or more so not something any of us will make sense of in the long term.

 

[Diehardblues]

Who are most experts?

The new CBA may increase the percentages by one percent but it's still based on profits so if profits are down, which they are across the board, it won't represent an increase in cap.

I think it's foolish to bet on what might happen with a new TV Deal, at this point. I mean, the quality of football I've seen this season is not better IMO. Paying more for this product and consequently passing that on to consumers is not a sure fire success IMO. I don't think I would pay more for Football at this point. Just not worth it to me. But there again, that's basically the same kind of thought process we saw last year. The Cap will never go down, we were told. Well, it's going down. The future is not set in stone and I think it would be beyond stupid to bet everything on the idea that the NFL is not going to change. So far, every single thing in my life has changed to a certain extent. Why would the NFL be any different?

Actually the players share is based on TV and tickets revenue which if stadiums are set to reopen as usual in 2021 should return back to normal. It’s all speculative at this point .

And the effects have impacted profits this year no doubt due mainly to ticket and stadium sales.

It will be interesting to see if and how much the Cap decreases . But I’d argue it would only be for one season .

And despite whatever declining numbers we have overall in TV viewership the NFL is still the Networks main calling card and with additional games we can certainly expect the league to receive more than their share.

 

[DenCWBY]

Don’t be stupid because other teams are stupid..

Drafting QBs is the way to go.

Mayfield and Allen are presently hot "healthy" commodities winning their first playoff games. Dak is rehabbing from a compound fracture coming off a 1-3 start to this season and an average non-post season before that. Yes Daks 1-3 record is tainted from a terrible defense however I think your comparing apples and oranges at this point with the these QB's.

 

[Shane612]

Or worth $40m to a team that's going to lose because we cant outscore the 2 dime and a nickle Defensive output.

So many teams now struggling because of the lack of talent around the expensive QB: Steelers (last night), Falcons, Texans, Eagles, Seahawks,

With our woeful defense it's time to question whether paying Dak actually makes us a winning team.... I think a lot of Dak fans don't want to confront that elephant.

The inflating salaries of these athletes is like a giant bubble.
It will burst someday.
Ticket prices are already unaffordable by most middle class fans.....
I went to a game last year with two of my boys.
I literally dropped $1000.00 of my hard earned money for that crappy game.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually the players share is based on TV and tickets revenue which if stadiums are set to reopen as usual in 2021 should return back to normal. It’s all speculative at this point .

And the effects have impacted profits this year no doubt due mainly to ticket and stadium sales.

It will be interesting to see if and how much the Cap decreases . But I’d argue it would only be for one season .

And despite whatever declining numbers we have overall in TV viewership the NFL is still the Networks main calling card and with additional games we can certainly expect the league to receive more than their share.

Show me.

The cap, based on calculations released from the NFL is scheduled to decrease in 2021.

"Introduced for the 1994 NFL season, the salary cap traditionally increases on a year-to-year basis and has only decreased one time: 2011, the year of the NFL lockout. In fact, over the past seven seasons, the league has seen its salary cap per club increase by no less than $10 million per year; since 2012, the cap for each club has risen from $120.6 million to $198.2 million in 2020. Over the Cap estimates the 2021 salary cap will be $176 million, a decrease of $22.2 million or 11.2 percent from 2020."

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-salary-cap-conundrum-three-major-consequences-of-projected-decrease#:~:text=Over the Cap estimates the,or 11.2 percent from 2020.

According to Over The Cap, we have around 22 mil, right now, available for 2021. Obviously, those numbers can change but we have a lot of FAs this year, which means that we are either going to have to pay them or replace them. Based on what we've seen over the last two seasons from Dak, it is clear to me that in order to make him successful, you have to put talent around him, which suggests that going cheap is not the answer. With a team loaded with Offensive weapons, we were only able to produce a .500 season with Dak QBing all 16 games. The answer is not load up on Offense and ignore Defense, clearly.

It will not only be for just the one season, IMO, but more to the point, at available cap space of 22 mil, you are still shy a good 18 just to get to the target number of 40. So even if you were correct, which you are not IMO, that this would only be a one year thing, how do you get right on that number with a 4 year deal? How does that happen?

 

[Diehardblues]

Show me.

The cap, based on calculations released from the NFL is scheduled to decrease in 2021.

"Introduced for the 1994 NFL season, the salary cap traditionally increases on a year-to-year basis and has only decreased one time: 2011, the year of the NFL lockout. In fact, over the past seven seasons, the league has seen its salary cap per club increase by no less than $10 million per year; since 2012, the cap for each club has risen from $120.6 million to $198.2 million in 2020. Over the Cap estimates the 2021 salary cap will be $176 million, a decrease of $22.2 million or 11.2 percent from 2020."

https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-salary-cap-conundrum-three-major-consequences-of-projected-decrease#:~:text=Over the Cap estimates the,or 11.2 percent from 2020.

According to Over The Cap, we have around 22 mil, right now, available for 2021. Obviously, those numbers can change but we have a lot of FAs this year, which means that we are either going to have to pay them or replace them. Based on what we've seen over the last two seasons from Dak, it is clear to me that in order to make him successful, you have to put talent around him, which suggests that going cheap is not the answer. With a team loaded with Offensive weapons, we were only able to produce a .500 season with Dak QBing all 16 games. The answer is not load up on Offense and ignore Defense, clearly.

It will not only be for just the one season, IMO, but more to the point, at available cap space of 22 mil, you are still shy a good 18 just to get to the target number of 40. So even if you were correct, which you are not IMO, that this would only be a one year thing, how do you get right on that number with a 4 year deal? How does that happen?

Show you what ?

 

[Shane612]

At these "bargain" prices, teams will soon treat players similar to college players. Except they'll pay them bigger money.
Draft them. Pay them rookie contract salary of about $5,000,000.00 - $10,000,000.00 per year for 4 - 5 years. And draft another one when their contract is up. Why pay keep paying $50,000,000.00 year?

 

[CATCH17]

Mayfield and Allen are presently hot "healthy" commodities winning their first playoff games. Dak is rehabbing from a compound fracture coming off a 1-3 start to this season and an average non-post season before that. Yes Daks 1-3 record is tainted from a terrible defense however I think your comparing apples and oranges at this point with the these QB's.

100%

Mayfield isn’t that good and he has as many playoffs wins as Dak.

You build teams unless your guy is truly elite..

Paying Dak makes us almost completely dependent on drafting perfect.

The Cowboys will pay Dak though and the pay Dak crowd is going to complain about the supporting cast. We know how this ends.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Show you what ?

"Actually the players share is based on TV and tickets revenue which if stadiums are set to reopen as usual in 2021 should return back to normal. It’s all speculative at this point ."

Show me the language that specifies what and how the players get paid in the CBA. I ask this because I believe it's based on total revenue and I believe that the revenue increases mentioned previously, are tied to certain kickers, such as an increase in viewership, etc. So the NFL has to reach these incentives in order to activate those increases. What I am asking for is the language that guarantees the increases you discussed or the statement that suggests that players shares are based on TV and revenue only.

 

[khiladi]

Salary cap is going down with COVID. And there is still evonof uncertainty about the next season, which can force another drop or cause a flat-line for 2022. It’s not just about Mahomes contract. It’s clear guys like Jerry that are very influential in terms of the economic realities of the league are trying to reset the market for QBs to a lower price-point. This isn’t the NBA.

 

[khiladi]

100%

Mayfield isn’t that good and he has as many playoffs wins as Dak.

You build teams unless your guy is truly elite..

Paying Dak makes us almost completely dependent on drafting perfect.

The Cowboys will pay Dak though and the pay Dak crowd is going to complain about the supporting cast. We know how this ends.

Mayfiekd got a better record than Dak with a way worse defense and a much tougher division, playing the Steelers and Ravens twice. That’s what happens when a guy like Callahan comes in and completely rebuilds the OL and RG and isn’t wreaked by injuries. Now you know why we were ‘competitive’ in a weak NFC East these last few years.

 

[Diehardblues]

"Actually the players share is based on TV and tickets revenue which if stadiums are set to reopen as usual in 2021 should return back to normal. It’s all speculative at this point ."

Show me the language that specifies what and how the players get paid in the CBA. I ask this because I believe it's based on total revenue and I believe that the revenue increases mentioned previously, are tied to certain kickers, such as an increase in viewership, etc. So the NFL has to reach these incentives in order to activate those increases. What I am asking for is the language that guarantees the increases you discussed or the statement that suggests that players shares are based on TV and revenue only.

You didn’t know the players share is based solely on TV revenue and ticket sales? It’s public knowledge.

Stadium sponsorship and revenue outside ticket sales like parking concession including merchandise aren’t included and one of the reasons Jethro pushed so hard to implement and initially sued the league for stadium rights is it was revenue circumvented from the players share.

I’m not sure where we’d find such link. If you can find anything to dispute such claims I’d definitely like to see.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You didn’t know the players share is based solely on TV revenue and ticket sales?

Stadium sponsorship and revenue outside ticket sales lije parking concession including merchandise aren’t included and one of the reasons Jethro pushed so hard to implement and initially sued the league for stadium rights is it was revenue circumvented from the players share.

I’m not sure where we’d find such link. If you can find anything to dispute such claims I’d definitely like to see.

It's not based on just revenue and ticket sales, I don't believe. That is why I am asking for the language you used to come up with this. It's your statement, which you double down on here, so I'd imagine you had something to go off of, supporting your position.

 

[Diehardblues]

It's not based on just revenue and ticket sales, I don't believe. That is why I am asking for the language you used to come up with this. It's your statement, which you double down on here, so I'd imagine you had something to go off of, supporting your position.

That’s what it’s been based on as far back as I recall. If theres been a change in how they determine the revenue sharing I’m not aware but my understanding it’s TV revenue and ticket sales.

I did find this one link and I’ll share this quote but I can’t share the link because it’s disputing our PRez claim from a source I’m afraid would be deleted here but the writer is legit .


Daniel Kaplan, who covers the NFL for SportsBusiness Journal and SportsBusiness Daily, agreed that ——— assertion is incorrect .

Kaplan has previously written that the NFL’s revenue figures "are incomplete, as the league does not share every penny with the players, shielding hundreds of millions of dollars in areas such as stadium revenue."

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That’s what it’s been based on as far back as I recall. If theres been a change in how they determine the revenue sharing I’m not aware but my understanding it’s TV revenue and ticket sales.

I did find this one link and I’ll share this quote but I can’t share the link because it’s disputing our PRez claim from a source I’m afraid would be deleted here but the writer is legit .


Daniel Kaplan, who covers the NFL for SportsBusiness Journal and SportsBusiness Daily, agreed that ——— assertion is incorrect .

Kaplan has previously written that the NFL’s revenue figures "are incomplete, as the league does not share every penny with the players, shielding hundreds of millions of dollars in areas such as stadium revenue."

I thought it had changed and I believe I read something on this several months ago but a lot of time has passed since then and so I could not be 100% accurate. I thought that the new CBA based it on revenue percentage now. Things like additional revenue attached to the additional game being added to the schedule was handled differently then the revenue share initially negotiated. I thought I remember reading something like, the max amount for players to be paid for the extra game was a set number and possible increases from the 47-53 split on revenue share was tied to increased viewership with the number of 48.5 dependent on something like 120% viewer increase or something like that. Now, this is all off memory, which is not as good as it once was with me, so parts or all of that can be mistaken but this is why I was asking you for info because I could not remember exactly how that worked. Bottom line, the NFL is not going to reach those viewship increases that would provide maximum revenue split kickers to activate. Viewership is down this year, not up, so I don't think that's going to play in their favor. The NFL has already said that costs associated with keeping things running is going to cost teams 2.7 billion so those losses will be passed on to revenue payouts to players. Remember that the new CBA was negotiated, by the NFLPA on Revenue percentages and not profit percentages off the top. In the past, I believe payouts were tied to the profits and the players would get a set amount that would be divided up amount the team caps. Now, I believe it is tied to revenue as a percentage so if revenue goes down, they get a percentage of a lessor number. If the NFL is losing 2.7 Billion, then that will decrease the actual payout to the players, even if the percentage of the pay out goes up a percentage point or what have you. While I do understand your viewpoint, I believe, I just don't see the owners letting this go. I believe that what we will see is the owners barrowing from future cap profits to offset losses now and basically subsidising cap in order to avoid even more severe cap implications for the players. I mean, you can't go to players and tell them that they are going to have to eat 2.7 billion in losses in one or even two seasons. I believe this will likely be amortized over several seasons, even perhaps, the life of the current CBA contract. This is why I do not believe that we will see the cap normalize in a year or two. I honestly think this will have to go for a few years, even if TV revenues do increase, which is not a given right now.

 

[jterrell]

Josh Allen and even Baker Mayfield are expected to command north of 38~40 million per year.

These are quarterbacks who both have career passer ratings over 10 ENTIRE points less than Dak (although Josh Allen has been improving)

That laughable 40 million per year price tag is going to be considered a steal in just 1 to 2 off seasons

Nothing has changed.
3 years later I am screaming every new franchise QB deal that signs will cost Dallas more money.
I am ready to challenge Stephen Jones to combat to the death. --this is a joke obviously.
Either I win and someone else manages Dallas' cap or I am put out of misery and don't have to watch this.

 

[nalam]

That one will be nasty if he gets a single post season win

He did , now if he gets a championship, his ask will be off charts

 

[CowboyoWales]

He did , now if he gets a championship, his ask will be off charts

If he gets a championship .....or even close, then he'd be able to demand it, based on performance AND more importantly that we're close to success.

 

[blueblood70]

Nothing has changed.
3 years later I am screaming every new franchise QB deal that signs will cost Dallas more money.
I am ready to challenge Stephen Jones to combat to the death. --this is a joke obviously.
Either I win and someone else manages Dallas' cap or I am put out of misery and don't have to watch this.

ok this has to stop!

YOU DO NOT KNOW MORE THEN JERRY AND HIS TEAM OF LAWYERS, CPAS, CAPOLOGISTS AND HUGE STAFF HE EMPLOYEES AS REAL ACTUAL FO MEMBER OF PRO SPRTS TEAM.

THEY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING PLUS 10TIMES MORE..

THERE ARE MORE REASONS THEN JUST THE CAP TO GETTING A DEAL DONE AND BOTH PARTIES HAVE TO PLAY,. DAKS BEEN PLAYING HARD BALL AND IM COMFORTABLE TO WHATEVER REASONS THE JONSES HAVE TO NOT YET GETTING THAT DEAL DONE..

THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE FAR MORE AWARE AND ACTUALLY ITS THEIR MONEY NOT YOURS..ITS THEIR TEAM, NOT YOURS AND FRANKLY THE BUSINESS SIDE OF FOOTBALL IS USELSS FOR FANS TO WHINE ABOUT..

they will handle it as they see fit..