25 years of roster building- what it reveals

[Diehardblues]

We cannot hold him accountable unless we cut off his money supply. That is the only way. He sees sellouts as verification of a job well done.

Right. We could have but we chose not to. And he’s put in place streams which make it difficult.

But the continued record revenue is evidence fans are supportive regardless which is sending him the wrong message.

 

[fivetwos]

I understand and agree but my meaning is to attempt to hold him accountable. No doubt as fans cumulatively we have failed in doing so.

You're right.

Problem is we have a master salesman and buyers that desperately want what he is claiming to sell.

There's always a reason why what they did in an off-season supposedly fixed last year's problem.

Then another problem arises.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well said.

MM is another of Jerry's "now" hires. He wants to win now. And that's kept us from winning for 25 years.

In his position he only needs to be concerned with one season at a time since he’s ultimately not held accountable for the results .

This affords him to hype each season on its own as the master promoter he is. . And then when it doesn’t meet those expectations he scapegoats going into damage control . And we basically rinse and repeat this process every year.

 

[Diehardblues]

Correct but the weak regular season schedule earned them several bye weeks and home games in the playoffs.

True but Pats had basically same winning percentage against the rest of the conference. Part of their success resulted in their divisional foes demise.

 

[Big_D]

Lets put some things in perspective. A roster typically has:
2 x QB
3 x RB
4 x TE
7 x WR
4 x OT
3 x OG
2 x OC

4 x DT
5 x DE
6 x LB
6 x CB
4 x S

So WR should lead the offensive side of the ball by a fair margin with LB, CB & DE not far behind. We've also had Aikmen, Romo, or Dak for 22 of the last 25 years so understandably we haven't drafted many QB's. I'd still rather us draft more offensive and defensive linemen in the first three round though.

You also have to account for FA and what you find there and where you spend your major resources. And where you have to find production at a cheaper price. Like 2nd round TEs that could've been had as low level FAs specially since they hardly used them. Then WR?? How many high draft picks did they use? It's almost beyond stupidity. How many were offered 88 like some sick Jerry ritual? lol The whole thing stinks and amounted to absolutely nothing. No surprise either! The draft strategy here makes no sense at all. I could understand perspective if there was some success.

 

[DanA]

You also have to account for FA and what you find there and where you spend your major resources. And where you have to find production at a cheaper price. Like 2nd round TEs that could've been had as low level FAs specially since they hardly used them. Then WR?? How many high draft picks did they use? It's almost beyond stupidity. How many were offered 88 like some sick Jerry ritual? lol The whole thing stinks and amounted to absolutely nothing. No surprise either! The draft strategy here makes no sense at all. I could understand perspective if there was some success.

I don't know and that's kind of my point.

I just did a quick look of the last 10 years and we've used 1,489 points on the wide receiver position (using the draft value chart). That's equivalent to pick 7 and it's netted us Lamb, Gallup, Wilson, Brown as well as some starters from previous years (Dawyne Harris, Terrence Williams). I think we got good bang for buck for the draft allocations and I don't think it's at all excessive. My analysis isn't deep enough for a conclusion but you get my point. Telling me how many picks we've used isn't giving me enough to form a conclusion because it does not weight the picks.

Likewise with free agency and trades. The total number does not say anything, I need the dollars spent for free agency, trade capital given up for trades, and draft capital for draft picks to form any sort of conclusion. And even then it's not accurate going to conclude how we value things because it does not reflect that we've been lucky for instance at QB with three very good QB's covering majority of the last 25 years.

 

[ICP]

What it reveals is that we shod have had a new GM 20 years ago

 

[loublue22]

can't draft a coach

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

can't draft a coach

Not when the requirement is that the coach be a puppet.

 

[CouchCoach]

You're right.

Problem is we have a master salesman and buyers that desperately want what he is claiming to sell.

There's always a reason why what they did in an off-season supposedly fixed last year's problem.

Then another problem arises.

He is not really a salesman, he's a pitchman. He just throws it out there to the hungry buyers. A true salesman must convince the buyer that this is in their best interest. Booger always pitches the features of his team, not the benefits.

I don't fault or feel sorry for the buyers. If they buy tickets and show up for the game, are they really expecting to win? Or are they just expected to see the players wearing their colors play the game?

We speak of accountability but are the merch and tickets buyers even interested in that? Are they not entertained?

 

[Jake]

He is not really a salesman, he's a pitchman. He just throws it out there to the hungry buyers. A true salesman must convince the buyer that this is in their best interest. Booger always pitches the features of his team, not the benefits.

I don't fault or fell sorry for the buyers. If they buy tickets and show up for the game, are they really expecting to win? Or are they just expected to see the players wearing their colors play the game?

We speak of accountability but are the merch and tickets buyers even interested in that? Are they not entertained?

We've got plenty of fans, especially those who keep buying tickets, who don't see the organizational dysfunction in Dallas.

They just think the Cowboys have been unlucky for 9,143 days, which is how long it has been since we last played an NFCCG.

 

[fivetwos]

He is not really a salesman, he's a pitchman. He just throws it out there to the hungry buyers. A true salesman must convince the buyer that this is in their best interest. Booger always pitches the features of his team, not the benefits.

I don't fault or fell sorry for the buyers. If they buy tickets and show up for the game, are they really expecting to win? Or are they just expected to see the players wearing their colors play the game?

We speak of accountability but are the merch and tickets buyers even interested in that? Are they not entertained?

I would really like to know how recent attendance is affected by PSLs and if people are so locked in they have no choice but to buy the seats.

Not only is the product inferior lately, but those seats are insanely expensive.

I've gone to maybe five games at the new place and each time there were plenty of seats available at less than face value.

Someone takes that hit and I doubt its Jerry.

 

[Diehardblues]

We've got plenty of fans, especially those who keep buying tickets, who don't see the organizational dysfunction in Dallas.

They just think the Cowboys have been unlucky for 9,143 days, which is how long it has been since we last played an NFCCG.

Coach makes a good point that obviously those who continue to buy tickets and merchandise are probably just measuring with the entertainment value. And our owner definitely caters to that demographic. I’d also agree with Coach that he’s not as much a salesman but a pitchman or promoter.

The accountability I speak of is centered more around those who want to hold our ownership feet to the fire for better results. We can’t force the issue if we continue supporting a poor product. It sends the wrong message.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would really like to know how recent attendance is affected by PSLs and if people are so locked in they have no choice but to buy the seats.

Not only is the product inferior lately, but those seats are insanely expensive.

I've gone to maybe five games at the new place and each time there were plenty of seats available at less than face value.

Someone takes that hit and I doubt its Jerry.

Of course the PSL’s have tremendous effect. Fans are locked in. And why they broker the tickets out.

It’s why I walked away after 4 decades at Texas Stadium.

 

[Diehardblues]

We've got plenty of fans, especially those who keep buying tickets, who don't see the organizational dysfunction in Dallas.

They just think the Cowboys have been unlucky for 9,143 days, which is how long it has been since we last played an NFCCG.

There’s nothing wrong with continuing to support a poor product. It’s the American way as there’s many products we support out of habit and convenience that aren’t good quality or we object how they’re ran from Walmart to McDonalds.

But if we’re truly looking for change or new direction there’s only one way to force change. And that’s either with public pressure or financial impact.

 

[Typhus]

It reveals that Jerry sucks.

Polish a turd for 25 years and what do you have?

a very shiny petrified turd

 

[CouchCoach]

There’s nothing wrong with continuing to support a poor product. It’s the American way as there’s many products we support out of habit and convenience that aren’t good quality or we object how they’re ran from Walmart to McDonalds.

But if we’re truly looking for change or new direction there’s only one way to force change. And that’s either with public pressure or financial impact.

The Browns, Lions and Skins fans have been showing up for years and look at the Bills fans with their playoff drought in a division dominated by one team.

I would guess, based on my personal experiences, that the Cowboys fans complain more about their plight than any of those fans. There is the sense of entitlement within fans in Texas, I found that in Dallas as well as the Hill Country. We're the Dallas Cowboys, we're supposed to win.

I can't wait for the new UT HC to discover what he's gotten into with their first loss. That nest has too many spiders in it.

 

[Whirlwin]

A quarter of a century has gone by since the Dallas Cowboys played in and won a Super Bowl. Or played in and won a conference championship game. Or even won a divisional playoff game. Perspective? Dak Prescott was 2 years old the last time that happened. Cedee Lamb wasn’t born yet. Nearly half our current roster wasn’t even born yet. Tony Romo was 15. This could go on....

But I was curious about how this organization invested its roster building capital the last 25 years. By that I mean which positions did the organization spend the most draft and trade capital to build a roster? The answer to that question reveals a big reason why this organization can’t seem to build a playoff winner.

Here are the positions this FO has spent most of its roster and draft capital on the last 25 years showing what they value most:

• WR- Surprise! The Cowboys have drafted 18 WRs in the last 25 drafts, and have also used 4 number one draft picks in trades for Joey Galloway, Roy Williams, and Amari Cooper. That makes a whopping 22 draft picks used to acquire WRs!
  
• DEs- The Cowboys have used 20 draft picks to acquire DEs the last 25 years.
• LBs- The next most popular position has been LB with 18 draft picks.
  
• CBs- Next most popular is corner backs with 13 picks.
• DTs- only 11 have been drafted over 25 years, and 3 of those were in the last 2 years.
• I’m not going to go position by position but the bottom two roster positions valued after P and K was also no surprise- S (only 7 drafted in 25 years) and QB (only 6)

If you want to know what an organization values, look at where they spend their roster capital. For the Cowboys the last 25 years, that position is WR. That says a lot about why we can’t seem to get over the playoff hump the last quarter century.

Here is a link I used to look up Cowboys draft history on Pro Football Reference, a free site with lots of good info. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/draft.htm

I believe because they wanted to make Tony Romo better than he was. Wide receiver we had no choice lamb was there

 

[Diehardblues]

The Browns, Lions and Skins fans have been showing up for years and look at the Bills fans with their playoff drought in a division dominated by one team.

I would guess, based on my personal experiences, that the Cowboys fans complain more about their plight than any of those fans. There is the sense of entitlement within fans in Texas, I found that in Dallas as well as the Hill Country. We're the Dallas Cowboys, we're supposed to win.

I can't wait for the new UT HC to discover what he's gotten into with their first loss. That nest has too many spiders in it.

Yes, and I’d prefer being a fan with a franchise or university with high expectations and a winning tradition.

Something I’ve missed in my fandom with my Alma Mater basically expecting to lose and hoping to win or waiting for a Miracle.

Losing builds character and anyone can root for a winner as my father taught me early on. I’ve experienced both with my Alma Mater and local franchise . But it’s certainly more fun and addictive winning.

 

[ArtClink]

The Jones boys can build a decent team on one side of the ball, but never a deep-playoff run team, or at least not for the past quarter of a century as Hazey points out. I hear they are building a Jerry Jones statue in Philly next to the Rocky statue as a tribute to the man who has screwed the Cowboy organization for a quarter of a century. It's us fans that disdain Jerry, the Eagles love him and hope he lives to be 100 (yeah an Eagles fan actually told me that ten years ago oops).