Kiper Mock 1.0 1/26/21

[stilltheguru]

Darrisaw>>slater if thats what were doing

 

[Cowboyny]

Valid points. But who started for us? I’ll take this battle with a healthy Smith, Collins and Martin. They aren’t punking them

You are assuming both tackles come back fully healthy and are able to play a full season

 

[KingintheNorth]

I'd rather take Jane slater at 10

I will fight you.

 

[KingintheNorth]

No matter who the Cowboys pick the usual haters are going to whine.

No matter who the Cowboys pick the usual sheep are going to baaa.

 

[J-man]

I'm on my way. You can save us a lot of time if you just start bleeding now.

Mel is that you?

 

[INCowboysFan]

Just remember what the Washington did in the 2 games this yr, dominated the trenches on both sides of the football. Everyone needs to accept the fact the OL is aging and needs reinforcements before it becomes too late.

And if Smith, Martin and Collins had been healthy, then Wash DL doesn't dominate. If Slater is there, I can see him sliding in to play LG for a year or two until Tyron retires and then kicking him out to LT.

 

[unionjack8]

625 Park Ave, New Cumberland PA, 17070
Why? You stoppin bye?

You about to be bombarded with junk now

 

[jterrell]

My preferences.

1. Draft a day 1 starter on your defense that fits the value here. See Farley/Surtain and possibly even Barmore if he has that value.
2. Trade down. If Defensive guys aren't an immediate value, Trade down.
3. Future LT option here; may have to play a year out of position but plays day 1.
4. Pass the pick, save a little cash.
5. Fire all the personnel staff/scouts and let Jerry pick according to his oilcatter gut
6. Draft a QB/RB/WR/TE/K/P

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK, where to start..........

So, assuming we brought in Quinn to run the Seattle scheme and not some variation of it, because why would you spend the money to get him if you weren't right? So, again, Seattle scheme, in that scheme you don't need top shelf CBs. You need long, physical, smart CBs, who can tackle but they don't need to be 1st round talent guys. You can find those kinds of CBs in the later rounds because that scheme does not require 1st round speed. The key in the secondary in that scheme is Safety and I'm not real sure that guy is in this draft. I don't love taking a CB in the first round this year, if we are running Seattles scheme. 1Tech/NT, Leo, LB depth and of course, FS, are all needs but I don't know if the 10th pick of the1st round is where the team might be looking.

So if you stay at 10, I don't think CB is the best use of that pick and I don't think the can't miss Safety is there. So, who is left defensively? Parsons maybe, that's about it defensively, assuming he is still on the board at 10. Maybe Rousseau, maybe?

I think it's either LT or TE. LT addresses a serious need and the value is there. Remember, the strength of this team has been and should continue to be the OL. No matter how much you kid yourself with Dak's skills, he can't succeed without a really good OL. That move makes sense to me, although I like Darrisaw better then Slater.

Pitts is the other guy that could be on the board and 10 would be a value there. Everybody has this kid rated as a top 5 player in this draft. He will get pushed down because of the need for QBs and while many don't see the TE as a position of need, I think it very well could be. Consider, Schultz is in his last year of his current contract. You are gonna have to pay that guy to be your starter. If not, he will get paid by somebody else. Jarwin is signed through 23 but after that, he's an FA. In addition, the team is going to have to figure out what they are doing with Gallup. I honestly don't see the team keeping Cooper and Gallup and you know CD aint going anywhere. I don't see all being kept on the roster. One of these guys is getting moved IMO. So, if you know you are losing a WR, maybe it's a good idea to look at a guy like Pitts who comes in and gives you that 3rd bigtime receiving threat. Helps the cap number and allows you to move on from Schultz as well.

If there is a QB still there, that is also a possability but I don't see there being one and if there were, I don't see our team being smart enough to take that route.

So, that's kinda how I see it breaking down.

 

[Parcells4Life]

The OL was solid in the second half of the year GM with Martin out. They did their job vs the Ravens who are one of the most difficult defenses to face.

You have at least average options on the OL unless Collins and Tyron both retire in the next 2 months. You don’t have average options at CB, DT, LB and FS.

 

[INCowboysFan]

OK, where to start..........

So, assuming we brought in Quinn to run the Seattle scheme and not some variation of it, because why would you spend the money to get him if you weren't right? So, again, Seattle scheme, in that scheme you don't need top shelf CBs. You need long, physical, smart CBs, who can tackle but they don't need to be 1st round talent guys. You can find those kinds of CBs in the later rounds because that scheme does not require 1st round speed. The key in the secondary in that scheme is Safety and I'm not real sure that guy is in this draft. I don't love taking a CB in the first round this year, if we are running Seattles scheme. 1Tech/NT, Leo, LB depth and of course, FS, are all needs but I don't know if the 10th pick of the1st round is where the team might be looking.

So if you stay at 10, I don't think CB is the best use of that pick and I don't think the can't miss Safety is there. So, who is left defensively? Parsons maybe, that's about it defensively, assuming he is still on the board at 10. Maybe Rousseau, maybe?

I think it's either LT or TE. LT addresses a serious need and the value is there. Remember, the strength of this team has been and should continue to be the OL. No matter how much you kid yourself with Dak's skills, he can't succeed without a really good OL. That move makes sense to me, although I like Darrisaw better then Slater.

Pitts is the other guy that could be on the board and 10 would be a value there. Everybody has this kid rated as a top 5 player in this draft. He will get pushed down because of the need for QBs and while many don't see the TE as a position of need, I think it very well could be. Consider, Schultz is in his last year of his current contract. You are gonna have to pay that guy to be your starter. If not, he will get paid by somebody else. Jarwin is signed through 23 but after that, he's an FA. In addition, the team is going to have to figure out what they are doing with Gallup. I honestly don't see the team keeping Cooper and Gallup and you know CD aint going anywhere. I don't see all being kept on the roster. One of these guys is getting moved IMO. So, if you know you are losing a WR, maybe it's a good idea to look at a guy like Pitts who comes in and gives you that 3rd bigtime receiving threat. Helps the cap number and allows you to move on from Schultz as well.

If there is a QB still there, that is also a possability but I don't see there being one and if there were, I don't see our team being smart enough to take that route.

So, that's kinda how I see it breaking down.

No way do we go TE at 10. Jarwin/Schultz is more than capable of manning that spot. Schulz will be relatively cheap to resign if we choose to. Spend the draft capital on the trenches or the secondary.

 

[Rockport]

No matter who the Cowboys pick the usual sheep are going to baaa.

Wrong, we're going to give the guy a chance and not dismiss him immediately like the dummy haters do.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Wrong, we're going to give the guy a chance and not dismiss him immediately like the dummy haters do.

Wrong. You're going to say it was a great pick, without even knowing anything about the player.

 

[Rockport]

Wrong. You're going to say it was a great pick, without even knowing anything about the player.

Nope I don't say that because I have no clue about the player. And neither do you.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No way do we go TE at 10. Jarwin/Schultz is more than capable of manning that spot. Schulz will be relatively cheap to resign if we choose to. Spend the draft capital on the trenches or the secondary.

At what price? We paid Jarwin 22 mil. You think Schultz is going to sign for less? Schultz was a starter last year. You think he's signing for cheap? I don't think so. Taking a CB is pointless, as I said and there isn't a Safety worth the 10th pick so why spend the money on a CB that is going to cost you more cap down the road and will likely be let loose after his rookie contract? I mean, did you not watch what just happened with Jones? What DL is there that you are going to take at 10 overall? Which one of the players available are you going to overdraft and overpay there? That leaves OL and specifically OT because we have more Guards then we need and Centers aren't taken in the top 10. So tell me, what "Trench" guy are you gonna draft that I haven't already addressed?

Seriously, did you even read my post?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Is Slater the worst pick? No, but if it looks like Tyron is healthy enough that he can soldier on, spending a kick there doesn’t seem to be the right move.

Defense is going to have a lot of holes and a new DC and assistants isn’t going to fix itself.

What Defensive player do you take in the top 10 though?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What Defensive player do you take in the top 10 though?

My earlier rant aside...I *hope* Christian Barmore is in the conversation

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My earlier rant aside...I *hope* Christian Barmore is in the conversation

I like Barmore but I don't see him as a top 10 pick. Now, if we are opening this up to trade down options, that opens up a whole new world. Lots of players I would consider there but for a top 10 pick, there aren't a lot of Defensive guys that rate in the top 10, at this point. At least IMO.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I like Barmore but I don't see him as a top 10 pick. Now, if we are opening this up to trade down options, that opens up a whole new world. Lots of players I would consider there but for a top 10 pick, there aren't a lot of Defensive guys that rate in the top 10, at this point. At least IMO.

I tend to agree that he isn't viewed as a top 10 pick at this point. Hopefully that changes. Alabama has a history of really good DTs and he has the production to match. Hopefully he has a good combine and enters the conversation because I'd prefer to not take a CB or LG at 10.

 

[visionary]

Man, the value that's going to be there at 10, just may not line up with that. I really haven't watched much college football or paid too much attention to draft rankings, but it seems most of the value ahead of where we pick are positions we won't be picking.

We aren't picking any of the QBs. Regardless of anyone's opinion on Dak, it's just not realistic to suggest we do at 10, So Lawrence, Fields and Wilson won't slip that far but if we're lucky, some team takes Lance before 10 pushing down a non QB.

We also won't be taking WR, so DeVonta Smith and Ja'Marr Chase won't be the pick, but again, in the realm of we're lucky, a third WR, say Jaylen Waddle goes top 10, but I think the 4th QB is more likely.

Just off of value, we know Penei Sewell will go before 10. I'm inclined to say Micah Parsons does as well, but I don't know how sitting out the season will effect his stock.

So just looking at CBS, the value there at 10 will be Kwity Paye (I don't know why they have him ranked this high, can't see him going in the top 20 to be honest). Kyler Pitts, who I'd take, despite the belly aching that would ensue hear. Jaylen Waddle, who we just won't pick. Caleb Farley and Patrick Surtain are kinda ranked right in there at 11th and 13th overall.

After them? Gregory Rousseau, who is similar to Parsons imo. Huge sophomore season, but sat out, not sure how his draft stock will be effected, but is certainly a guy I'd consider. Wyatt Davis and Rashawn Slater, two o-linemen, one who has played exclusively at guard and one who likely will be a guard in the NFL as well. I'd give them consideration as well, as I think upgrading at LG is a huge need, but am I more likely to find a quality guard later or a quality DB later?

And after them, it's really more WRs and guards/second tier tackles. Just not a good draft for top end defensive talent outside the two CBs to be honest.

i don’t agree
What is the evidence that the value is there for CB at 10 but not OT?

People overrate CB value a lot IMO.
Both these CBs have big question marks. Farley has injury history and didn’t play this year and Surtain was never really tested as Bama CBs rarely are because of their front 7. He will not have to run at the Combine so I would stag away from him.

My own preference would be to trade down to 16-20 range and take Collins or Barmore but if we can’t trade down and don’t think Collins is worth 10 then I’m taking Slater over either CB