Stafford at 25-28M and give up the 10 pick?

[Aviano90]

Some of this has to be just for fun. No way you guys are this crazy. They act like dak slapped their mama.

Many of them definitely need to seek some professional help. Dak has mind screwed them so hard they are abuse victims.

 

[CouchCoach]

The other option is to sign your franchise QB to a long term deal.

Which is the option I believe they will take but those concerns about building a team around him, or any QB, still remain and that's not all cap related.

And as I said, I would only be in favor of this if those savings, assuming there are some, are used to fix this very mediocre defense. And that is unknown.

The concern about signing this QB to the rumored deal is either he's not good enough or that creates some cramping on the cap to build the team.

And all of this, every little bit and piece of everything we discuss here, is centered around one hope. That they will get better at talent evaluation and cap management. Since I do not think that is going to happen, I can get loose and free fall with all kinds of ideas.

However, my opinion is my own and I would take Stafford to run this offense over Prescott. Whether the difference is worth a 10 pick, that is arguable but that would also be mitigated by the lesser salary for the position, if that is the case.

I also do not take the opinions of a team site to be that of the general NFL FO's and coaching staffs. I still say Stafford is far more highly respected by those paid to do the job than this forum. We shall soon see.

 

[MWH1967]

And so what?
Can you guarantee that pick will develop into a stud player?
NO.
We all know Stafford's value and talents add to that the need we have to have a Quality QB who can score from start to finish in any game.
Garbage Dak had his chance and team is going nowhere with him at the helm.

No, you can't guarantee anything but, c'mon man. You are giving up a shot at #10 for a similar older player. He hasn't won anything! Dak Took your lunch money in school, didn't he?

 

[CouchCoach]

And you really don’t think that Stafford asked for a trade at this time because he wants to cash in on the current market value QBs are getting right now while he’s still under 35!

That is a most definite possibility.

There is another possibility. The Cowboys are not high on his list as a destination. If I was him, I would be looking at the teams with more upside like IND, NO, SF and LAR than the Cowboys.

If I were Stafford, I would ne looking at Prescott's 8-8 2019 and on a record setting pace in 2020 and 1-3. Mahomes and Rodgers would struggle with this team.

 

[CouchCoach]

Crazy talk, CC, ol' buddy.

No way is Stafford, especially at his age of where he's about to turn 33 next week, in the same category today as good as a much younger, entering his prime and very much improved a 27 year old Dak Prescott.

In 2020, Matthew Stafford threw for a pretty good 4,084 yards, 26 TDs, 10 INTs and a 96.3 passer rating.

In 2020 with only 4.5 games played due to a season ending injury suffered during Week 5's game vs the Giants, Dak had already thrown for 1,856 yards, 9 TDs, 4 INTs and a 99.6 passer rating. Dak was on pace to throw for 6,600+ yards, 32 TDs, 14 INTs and a 100+ passer rating. Had Dak not gotten injured and passed for 6,600+ yards, he would have shattered Peyton Manning's single season NFL passing yards record of 5,400 by at least 1,200 yards. That's unheard of! Dak was on pace to accomplish as much, yet you want to give up on him?

I don't get why some are willing to get rid of a built from the ground up Lamborghini (in only 4.25 years) for an old, past its prime, beat up Corvette?

Because I do not see Prescott as that Lamborghini and you do and that's fine, that's your opinion. And I am not sure that Corvette is past it's prime.

Are we going to hold being a freakin' Detroit Lion for his entire career against him? I've seen him carry and will that team and he was the only thing they had going. His career has been a cluster of coaching and FO mistakes.

AC, if Stafford had been the QB of the Cowboys the last 4.5 years, might he have done better than Prescott? I can tell you I watched both of them play a lot of football games and when it comes to the passing part of the QB job, it's no contest for me.

As far as the stats go you can't take 4 games and forecast that over 16 games anymore than you can take a teams record and do that.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'm not against moving for Stafford, but there is absolutely no chance I'm including the 10th pick. Dallas isn't in a desperate "we need a QB now" mode. They can franchise Dak again, or sign him like they intend.

Sending Detroit #10 for a QB they could very well end up cutting would be asinine.

 

[SoupcanSam]

My point in all of this Daksaga has been if not him, then who is the QB? There weren't other options except a rookie QB until just recently.

I do see these 2 QB's as comparable in talent and the age thing doesn't come into play because I am only talking about the next 4 years.

So, do you favor keeping Prescott at 37.5M AND that 10th pick or trade it to DET for Stafford and save 10-12M on the contract.

The tricky part of this is that the assumption seems to be they would use that 10-12M to help fix the defense but are we so sure of that?

I am also assuming Stafford could be signed for a contract in that neighborhood and that is pure assumption on my part. Everybody's wanting to get paid. And according to reports, there are 10 teams kicking the tires on that trade so I am not sure giving up that 10 pick would get it done.

What's your preference and this isn't another hug or hit Prescott thread, it's just about that trade and the advantages to the team.

I am for taking that deal if they'd do it. Stafford has never had the talent around him like this offense would provide and I've seen one QB with this team and I think I am ready to see another.

The interesting part of this is there just happens to be a coach on this team that faced Stafford twice a year throughout his entire career, I wonder what he thinks about this?

How about a far less ridiculous proposal?

 

[CouchCoach]

And you really don’t think that Stafford asked for a trade at this time because he wants to cash in on the current market value QBs are getting right now while he’s still under 35!

I don't know that Stafford asked for the trade or they've just decided it's rebuilding time with a new staff and he's one of the few trade baits they have.

I know the owner is high on Stafford like Kraft was Brady. I became a fan of his when they were interviewing him when DET was in real trouble with the economy and losing population rapidly. He spoke of the fans spending their hard earned, and even harder to come by, money on tickets to come see them play and cheer for them. He choked up when he talked about seeing families in the stands because he knew times were tough. He felt like they were letting them down because they seldom had good teams. The only thing those fans had to cheer about was having the best WR in the game and Stafford would throw to him in triple coverage to get the fans fired up.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'm not against moving for Stafford, but there is absolutely no chance I'm including the 10th pick. Dallas isn't in a desperate "we need a QB now" mode. They can franchise Dak again, or sign him like they intend.

Sending Detroit #10 for a QB they could very well end up cutting would be asinine.

If it's true 10 teams have responded, do you really think they're going to release him? He's on the block to get picks, that's why they're doing it.

 

[charron]

I'd rather resign dalton to 20 a year and trade dak for picks. Dalton would likely be alot more comfortable in this offense with a full off-season as would most QB's in their second year of an offense.

 

[CWR]

My point in all of this Daksaga has been if not him, then who is the QB? There weren't other options except a rookie QB until just recently.

I do see these 2 QB's as comparable in talent and the age thing doesn't come into play because I am only talking about the next 4 years.

So, do you favor keeping Prescott at 37.5M AND that 10th pick or trade it to DET for Stafford and save 10-12M on the contract.

The tricky part of this is that the assumption seems to be they would use that 10-12M to help fix the defense but are we so sure of that?

I am also assuming Stafford could be signed for a contract in that neighborhood and that is pure assumption on my part. Everybody's wanting to get paid. And according to reports, there are 10 teams kicking the tires on that trade so I am not sure giving up that 10 pick would get it done.

What's your preference and this isn't another hug or hit Prescott thread, it's just about that trade and the advantages to the team.

I am for taking that deal if they'd do it. Stafford has never had the talent around him like this offense would provide and I've seen one QB with this team and I think I am ready to see another.

The interesting part of this is there just happens to be a coach on this team that faced Stafford twice a year throughout his entire career, I wonder what he thinks about this?

Hell naw! Hey I see your point on the cap but no freaking way you give them a top 10 pick for a 32 year old QB who ain't ever done anything. You pay the money and keep the young stud with a ceiling yet to be seen imo.

 

[CouchCoach]

How about a far less ridiculous proposal?

I do not see it as ridiculous because I value Stafford more than most here do. However, it is based on being able to get him around 10-12M a year cheaper than Prescott but I do not know if that is even doable. What if a team trades for him and gives him the type contract we're discussing for Prescott? Stranger things have happened.

 

[Chuck 54]

My point in all of this Daksaga has been if not him, then who is the QB? There weren't other options except a rookie QB until just recently.

I do see these 2 QB's as comparable in talent and the age thing doesn't come into play because I am only talking about the next 4 years.

So, do you favor keeping Prescott at 37.5M AND that 10th pick or trade it to DET for Stafford and save 10-12M on the contract.

The tricky part of this is that the assumption seems to be they would use that 10-12M to help fix the defense but are we so sure of that?

I am also assuming Stafford could be signed for a contract in that neighborhood and that is pure assumption on my part. Everybody's wanting to get paid. And according to reports, there are 10 teams kicking the tires on that trade so I am not sure giving up that 10 pick would get it done.

What's your preference and this isn't another hug or hit Prescott thread, it's just about that trade and the advantages to the team.

I am for taking that deal if they'd do it. Stafford has never had the talent around him like this offense would provide and I've seen one QB with this team and I think I am ready to see another.

The interesting part of this is there just happens to be a coach on this team that faced Stafford twice a year throughout his entire career, I wonder what he thinks about this?

No way in hell is anyone giving up a #10 draft pick for a 32 year old QB who has only been to one pro bowl despite playing with Megatron! I don’t see any team giving up a first round pick....period.

 

[Chuck 54]

I do not see it as ridiculous because I value Stafford more than most here do. However, it is based on being able to get him around 10-12M a year cheaper than Prescott but I do not know if that is even doable. What if a team trades for him and gives him the type contract we're discussing for Prescott? Stranger things have happened.

Under that reasoning, why don’t we just sell our #10 pick for 10-15 million and keep Dak.

 

[phildadon86]

No argument about needing help and for a lot more than a QB comparison but I think Stafford is a better passer than Prescott will ever be.

I do not hold the history of DET against him as they are the CLE of the NFC. The back issue, that would be a real concern if it is problematic.

Lack of personality? Hell, I am not looking to date him. What's that got to do with anything" You think Tom Brady is Mr. Bubbly? Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes are hardly the 3 Stooges.

I really don't need help because I've watched both of these QB's play from college on and my eyes tell me Stafford is the better passer, always has been. That's why he was the #1 recruit in the country and he was a better passer at Highland Park than Prescott ever was at Miss St.

I do think it is a moot point because they will extend Prescott but it is something to discuss.

Leadership is a real attribute and that’s what I meant by personality. Prescott has been a better passer for the last 3 years at least. Stafford has injury history and couldn’t lead to save his life. This team is Prescott’s and you can see that by how they performed when he went down

 

[Flamma]

So, do you favor keeping Prescott at 37.5M AND that 10th pick or trade it to DET for Stafford and save 10-12M on the contract.

Stafford would be like a 20 million dollar cap hit.

 

[TwoDeep3]

My point in all of this Daksaga has been if not him, then who is the QB? There weren't other options except a rookie QB until just recently.

I do see these 2 QB's as comparable in talent and the age thing doesn't come into play because I am only talking about the next 4 years.

So, do you favor keeping Prescott at 37.5M AND that 10th pick or trade it to DET for Stafford and save 10-12M on the contract.

The tricky part of this is that the assumption seems to be they would use that 10-12M to help fix the defense but are we so sure of that?

I am also assuming Stafford could be signed for a contract in that neighborhood and that is pure assumption on my part. Everybody's wanting to get paid. And according to reports, there are 10 teams kicking the tires on that trade so I am not sure giving up that 10 pick would get it done.

What's your preference and this isn't another hug or hit Prescott thread, it's just about that trade and the advantages to the team.

I am for taking that deal if they'd do it. Stafford has never had the talent around him like this offense would provide and I've seen one QB with this team and I think I am ready to see another.

The interesting part of this is there just happens to be a coach on this team that faced Stafford twice a year throughout his entire career, I wonder what he thinks about this?

The dissatisfaction of fans on a quarter of a century downfall with this team have now pushed their psyches to the limits of rationality.

If Stafford never had the talent around him and he has been more than partly responsible for Detroit's woes, then coming to Dallas will fix that for him?

I mean it's like you guys post these ridiculous scenarios and then don't read them and see how completely clown car they are.

Stafford couldn't do it there. So what makes anyone with an IQ larger than Lebron's shoe size think he can do it here?

If this idea came from a green leaf dream then share it, bro. The green leaf. Not the dream.

 

[Shane612]

My point in all of this Daksaga has been if not him, then who is the QB? There weren't other options except a rookie QB until just recently.

I do see these 2 QB's as comparable in talent and the age thing doesn't come into play because I am only talking about the next 4 years.

So, do you favor keeping Prescott at 37.5M AND that 10th pick or trade it to DET for Stafford and save 10-12M on the contract.

The tricky part of this is that the assumption seems to be they would use that 10-12M to help fix the defense but are we so sure of that?

I am also assuming Stafford could be signed for a contract in that neighborhood and that is pure assumption on my part. Everybody's wanting to get paid. And according to reports, there are 10 teams kicking the tires on that trade so I am not sure giving up that 10 pick would get it done.

What's your preference and this isn't another hug or hit Prescott thread, it's just about that trade and the advantages to the team.

I am for taking that deal if they'd do it. Stafford has never had the talent around him like this offense would provide and I've seen one QB with this team and I think I am ready to see another.

The interesting part of this is there just happens to be a coach on this team that faced Stafford twice a year throughout his entire career, I wonder what he thinks about this?

Stafford had the best WR this side of Jerry Rice for years.

 

[HungryLion]

The cap savings is not worth the 10th overall pick.

no way

 

[CouchCoach]

This has become a moot point because Stafford is only interested in true contenders and that's IND, LAR or SF and the latest rumor has LAR offering their 2nd this year and 1st next year because they do not have a 1st this year. If that rumor is true, McVay, a known QB guy, does see Stafford worth a 1st rounder. Then again, he has a true contender defense. And a real cap mess with Goff, who now has announced he wants out. Ain't nobody happy anymore?

Let's see how this unfolds and then all you "GM"s can come back here and tell me all about what Stafford is worth in a trade. I will expect a statue erected of me by all the "no way anyone is giving up a 1st for Stafford". The interest level was very high according to Scheffter the minute this was announced. I'd bet a Bentley to a donut that Stafford being on the block would get more action than Prescott. Oh noooo, did he really say that?

With all of these unhappy QB's, except Wentz he got his coach fired, it's like messy divorces all over the place and what a lot of fun! I hope Brady and Mahomes in their first pre SB interviews next week both ask for trades.