No one has just come out and said it. Dak is not Wentz or Goff

[AKATheRake]

With the news that Dak is the only QB from his draft class to have not been traded, benched or cut the inevitable "See this is why the Cowboys shouldn't pay Dak" murmurs have started to creep up. Dak has always been compared to those two clowns and really all the QBs in his class. But mostly those two. Those two were the first to get the big contracts which shifted all eyes toward Dak. The detractors cited the fact that the Cowboys had NOT give Dak a similar deal as proof that the Cowboys didn't think Dak was as good as those two stooges. Puhlease.

Dak is not only better than both of them but he simply is nothing like them beginning with his mental make up. The dude's mom died of cancer when he was a junior in college. And he played the next game on the schedule. He's simply mentally tougher than those two put together. He endured that beating in Atlanta when Chaz Green was making Adrian Claiborne look like Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor rolled into one and came back to lead the team to a three game win streak AND to a division title the very next year. A lot of QBs never recover from a beating like that and spend the rest of their career seeing ghosts.

Since they all came into the league there has been this consistent drum beat that those guys are better passers than Dak.. Yet there is literally no objective measure you can find that shows that to be true.. Dak's passing numbers over the course of his career are hands down better.. and unlike those two, Dak is still an ascending player. Dak started his career playing in a somewhat scaled down offense and has had his responsibilities increase every year. The other two had their responsibilities ramp up until their coaches realized that they were idiots and had the coaches put the training wheels back on.

I am not going to sit here and proclaim that I know positively that the Cowboys will or will not sign Dak Prescott.. but we as a fan base as well as the mediots need to let go of using what has happened with other QBs as a cautionary tale for what the Cowboys need to do with him. He's not wired like those other guys.. He just isn't. Maybe he's not talented enough to carry a team with a 30 something ranked defense to the playoffs.. but I'd bet my house he's talented enough to get there with a top 12-15 type defense .. and do some damage when he gets there. And no before you ask I didn't think he was good enough in 2019. But he took his game up several notches in 2020. So my mind will be at ease if they sign him tomorrow that he's not going to go out like Wentz or Goff nor is he going to try and b1tch his way out of town like Watson or Rodgers. I don't think he's wired that way. I could be wrong.. but I have not seen that in him to this point.

You're right!

 

[CouchCoach]

Goff is an average QB.

Wentz? Who really knows. He's been great, he's been terrible.

Wentz is more athletic but he is similar to Prescott in that they both need teams built around them. Goff can't say that, he had a great D, good run game, receiving corps and coaching.

If he thinks he's happy to be in DET, just wait until he hits the field with that team. I don't think Stafford had to catch a flight to LA, he just lifted his arms and floated there.

Just think about this. Stafford is going from the team with the worst scoring D at 32ppg to the best at 18ppg and Goff is reversing that. Danged if I'd be happy to be in Motown. 2 TD's better a game to go to LA, plus, it ain't Detroit. All those cars they've been building in Detroit, they're right there in LA.

 

[Portnoy1]

better QB.
better player.
better leader.
it's why i have 0 problem with whatever his contract # will be.

QBs and OLINE, DLINE are the most important positions in football. I keep wondering if they didn't sign Jaylon and cave to Zeke would Daks contract really be an issue. They locked everyone pretty quick over the last few years except the QB. Who is "available" that is better than Dak? Just sign him and be done. Everyone said Dak needs Zeke and a bunch of other things, funny thing is Dak was still able to perform admirably with bad Oline play, whereas Zeke and Jaylon were A** for pretty much the whole season. So really it's Zeke who needs Dak and a good Oline to be successful.

 

[cowboyec]

QBs and OLINE, DLINE are the most important positions in football. I keep wondering if they didn't sign Jaylon and cave to Zeke would Daks contract really be an issue. They locked everyone pretty quick over the last few years except the QB. Who is "available" that is better than Dak? Just sign him and be done. Everyone said Dak needs Zeke and a bunch of other things, funny thing is Dak was still able to perform admirably with bad Oline play, whereas Zeke and Jaylon were A** for pretty much the whole season. So really it's Zeke who needs Dak and a good Oline to be successful.

they talk about what Dak needs around him and knock him for it.
but talk about what stafford has around him now with the rams and praise him for it.
wish they'd make up their minds....is it a bad thing or a good thing.
in my opinion,i never understood why its seen as a bad thing to want your QB surrounded with good people.
its why most of the good ones win.
hell...brady left new england because of it.

 

[RonnieT24]

No, he can’t.

Blowhards gonna blow hard.

Stalkers gonna stalk... Am I gonna need a restraining order against you dude? Or maybe you're an obsessed chick?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Stalkers gonna stalk... Am I gonna need a restraining order against you dude? Or maybe you're an obsessed chick?

The “obsessed chick “ is the one writing 8,000 word apologetics about Zeke.

 

[RonnieT24]

they talk about what Dak needs around him and knock him for it.
but talk about what stafford has around him now with the rams and praise him for it.
wish they'd make up their minds....is it a bad thing or a good thing.
in my opinion,i never understood why its seen as a bad thing to want your QB surrounded with good people.
its why most of the good ones win.
hell...brady left new england because of it.

Several months ago I asked for the list of QBs who have won championships with defenses giving up as many points as our defense did this year. I am still waiting for an answer.. and will still be waiting till the day I die because it's never going to happen.

The "Dak needs a good team around him" argument is hilarious. Mahomes has two of the five highest paid receivers in the game and the league's highest paid tight end to throw to. Oh and he was drafted by a team that regularly won 11 games a season before he got there.. with Alex Smith at the helm. Yes Mahomes took them to the next level.. but the Chiefs were not some cellar dweller before he showed up. Brady left New England the minute he saw that team was finally going to fall apart.. and went to a team that would have won 12 games the year before if the QB had just cut his 40 turnovers down to 20. There simply is not now nor has there ever been any "one man team" in the NFL like the media tries to make it out to be and there never will be. But the brain dead narratives about QB has led to these ridiculous salaries for the position. It's the most important position.. but it's not worth 20 times what the average guy on the roster makes. The NFL needs to fix that. Either that or start making QBs play defense too.

 

[cowboyec]

Several months ago I asked for the list of QBs who have won championships with defenses giving up as many points as our defense did this year. I am still waiting for an answer.. and will still be waiting till the day I die because it's never going to happen.

The "Dak needs a good team around him" argument is hilarious. Mahomes has two of the five highest paid receivers in the game and the league's highest paid tight end to throw to. Oh and he was drafted by a team that regularly won 11 games a season before he got there.. with Alex Smith at the helm. Yes Mahomes took them to the next level.. but the Chiefs were not some cellar dweller before he showed up. Brady left New England the minute he saw that team was finally going to fall apart.. and went to a team that would have won 12 games the year before if the QB had just cut his 40 turnovers down to 20. There simply is not now nor has there ever been any "one man team" in the NFL like the media tries to make it out to be and there never will be. But the brain dead narratives about QB has led to these ridiculous salaries for the position. It's the most important position.. but it's not worth 20 times what the average guy on the roster makes. The NFL needs to fix that. Either that or start making QBs play defense too.

agreed.
i just don't get the whole..."take this player or that player away and lets see how good he is" argument.
im not stripping anything away from my QB.
im gonna surround him with all i can.
not because he's less than.
but because i want as many advantages over the opponent as i can get.
im not interested in taking away coooop or gallup...im interested in scoring more TDs than the opponent.
and limiting theirs on the defensive side.

i just find it curious the folks who bash Dak for having folks around him...praise stafford for what he'll have around him with the rams.

all QBs need something around them....on their side of the ball and a competent defense.

 

[RonnieT24]

The “obsessed chick “ is the one writing 8,000 word apologetics about Zeke.

Don't get mad at me cause you type slow.. This aint Twitter.. you can put in more than 140 characters ..

 

[Redline360]

Pretty much every board member and media dead head thinks Dak is better then Goff and Wentz at this point.....

 

[USArmyVet]

Stop with the bs, how many of those games Dak was on the field by himself?

Well if so many want to herald Dak's career winning record to try and justify paying him then he deserves the criticism too. Oh, and I guess Dak was passing all those garbage time stats to himself and NOT other players?

 

[DFWJC]

Dak is good....

 

[J12B]

With the news that Dak is the only QB from his draft class to have not been traded, benched or cut the inevitable "See this is why the Cowboys shouldn't pay Dak" murmurs have started to creep up. Dak has always been compared to those two clowns and really all the QBs in his class. But mostly those two. Those two were the first to get the big contracts which shifted all eyes toward Dak. The detractors cited the fact that the Cowboys had NOT give Dak a similar deal as proof that the Cowboys didn't think Dak was as good as those two stooges. Puhlease.

Dak is not only better than both of them but he simply is nothing like them beginning with his mental make up. The dude's mom died of cancer when he was a junior in college. And he played the next game on the schedule. He's simply mentally tougher than those two put together. He endured that beating in Atlanta when Chaz Green was making Adrian Claiborne look like Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor rolled into one and came back to lead the team to a three game win streak AND to a division title the very next year. A lot of QBs never recover from a beating like that and spend the rest of their career seeing ghosts.

Since they all came into the league there has been this consistent drum beat that those guys are better passers than Dak.. Yet there is literally no objective measure you can find that shows that to be true.. Dak's passing numbers over the course of his career are hands down better.. and unlike those two, Dak is still an ascending player. Dak started his career playing in a somewhat scaled down offense and has had his responsibilities increase every year. The other two had their responsibilities ramp up until their coaches realized that they were idiots and had the coaches put the training wheels back on.

I am not going to sit here and proclaim that I know positively that the Cowboys will or will not sign Dak Prescott.. but we as a fan base as well as the mediots need to let go of using what has happened with other QBs as a cautionary tale for what the Cowboys need to do with him. He's not wired like those other guys.. He just isn't. Maybe he's not talented enough to carry a team with a 30 something ranked defense to the playoffs.. but I'd bet my house he's talented enough to get there with a top 12-15 type defense .. and do some damage when he gets there. And no before you ask I didn't think he was good enough in 2019. But he took his game up several notches in 2020. So my mind will be at ease if they sign him tomorrow that he's not going to go out like Wentz or Goff nor is he going to try and b1tch his way out of town like Watson or Rodgers. I don't think he's wired that way. I could be wrong.. but I have not seen that in him to this point.

Excellent post.

 

[Dre11]

Well if so many want to herald Dak's career winning record to try and justify paying him then he deserves the criticism too. Oh, and I guess Dak was passing all those garbage time stats to himself and NOT other players?

funny, I havent seen many Dak supporters talking about his record until you haters bring it up when trying to compare him to other QBS. its also funny you talk about his passing stats, but you know what, Zeke didnt get all those yards by himself, Lawerence didnt get his sacks by himself either, it's a team game, but ALL players no matter the position, get paid their market value for their position, Dak's no different. I dont know you or any other hater think otherwise.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@RonnieT24 No one ever said Dak is Wentz or Goff. From the day those three were drafted, they would always be compared to each other. Same with Ware and Merriman. The Cowboys got the better of the deal with picking up Dak in the 4th vs Goff and Wentz in the 1st. That was for the first 4 years, Dak was the much better pick of that draft based on production vs dollar. It wasn't like Dak was running circles around Wentz and Goff talent-wise. If I had to rate all three, I would say Dak was a 85/100, Wentz an 82/100 and Goff an 83/100. Wentz was never the same after he tore his ACL. Maybe he plays scared. I doubt Dak will be running as much as he did before the injury. In fact, Dak was not running enough the past several years in my opinion. Now it will be less.

The problem for all three is their production and results when making $30M+ are not good. Goff and Wentz's contract are toxic. Rams had to give up a 1st to get rid of Goff. We shall see what happens with the Eagles soon. Dak doesn't have a contract right now but his demands are way over what he can produce vs what others making much less can produce.

Swap out Dak for Wentz or Goff into the Cowboy's team, and my guess is that the win-loss results will be negligible. Going forward, I saw nothing from Dak that suggests a super bowl with Dak making $35-40M/year. Wentz and Goff are getting dumped because they are not worth $30M+. The rookie Hurts was just as good as Wentz.

Dak has fan and player support in his favor which bodes well for him and leading to Jerry caving again like he did with Zeke. Goff and Wentz did not have fan or player support.

 

[dre1288]

With the news that Dak is the only QB from his draft class to have not been traded, benched or cut the inevitable "See this is why the Cowboys shouldn't pay Dak" murmurs have started to creep up. Dak has always been compared to those two clowns and really all the QBs in his class. But mostly those two. Those two were the first to get the big contracts which shifted all eyes toward Dak. The detractors cited the fact that the Cowboys had NOT give Dak a similar deal as proof that the Cowboys didn't think Dak was as good as those two stooges. Puhlease.

Dak is not only better than both of them but he simply is nothing like them beginning with his mental make up. The dude's mom died of cancer when he was a junior in college. And he played the next game on the schedule. He's simply mentally tougher than those two put together. He endured that beating in Atlanta when Chaz Green was making Adrian Claiborne look like Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor rolled into one and came back to lead the team to a three game win streak AND to a division title the very next year. A lot of QBs never recover from a beating like that and spend the rest of their career seeing ghosts.

Since they all came into the league there has been this consistent drum beat that those guys are better passers than Dak.. Yet there is literally no objective measure you can find that shows that to be true.. Dak's passing numbers over the course of his career are hands down better.. and unlike those two, Dak is still an ascending player. Dak started his career playing in a somewhat scaled down offense and has had his responsibilities increase every year. The other two had their responsibilities ramp up until their coaches realized that they were idiots and had the coaches put the training wheels back on.

I am not going to sit here and proclaim that I know positively that the Cowboys will or will not sign Dak Prescott.. but we as a fan base as well as the mediots need to let go of using what has happened with other QBs as a cautionary tale for what the Cowboys need to do with him. He's not wired like those other guys.. He just isn't. Maybe he's not talented enough to carry a team with a 30 something ranked defense to the playoffs.. but I'd bet my house he's talented enough to get there with a top 12-15 type defense .. and do some damage when he gets there. And no before you ask I didn't think he was good enough in 2019. But he took his game up several notches in 2020. So my mind will be at ease if they sign him tomorrow that he's not going to go out like Wentz or Goff nor is he going to try and b1tch his way out of town like Watson or Rodgers. I don't think he's wired that way. I could be wrong.. but I have not seen that in him to this point.

I agree wholeheartedly!

 

[morat1959]

With the news that Dak is the only QB from his draft class to have not been traded, benched or cut the inevitable "See this is why the Cowboys shouldn't pay Dak" murmurs have started to creep up. Dak has always been compared to those two clowns and really all the QBs in his class. But mostly those two. Those two were the first to get the big contracts which shifted all eyes toward Dak. The detractors cited the fact that the Cowboys had NOT give Dak a similar deal as proof that the Cowboys didn't think Dak was as good as those two stooges. Puhlease.

Dak is not only better than both of them but he simply is nothing like them beginning with his mental make up. The dude's mom died of cancer when he was a junior in college. And he played the next game on the schedule. He's simply mentally tougher than those two put together. He endured that beating in Atlanta when Chaz Green was making Adrian Claiborne look like Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor rolled into one and came back to lead the team to a three game win streak AND to a division title the very next year. A lot of QBs never recover from a beating like that and spend the rest of their career seeing ghosts.

Since they all came into the league there has been this consistent drum beat that those guys are better passers than Dak.. Yet there is literally no objective measure you can find that shows that to be true.. Dak's passing numbers over the course of his career are hands down better.. and unlike those two, Dak is still an ascending player. Dak started his career playing in a somewhat scaled down offense and has had his responsibilities increase every year. The other two had their responsibilities ramp up until their coaches realized that they were idiots and had the coaches put the training wheels back on.

I am not going to sit here and proclaim that I know positively that the Cowboys will or will not sign Dak Prescott.. but we as a fan base as well as the mediots need to let go of using what has happened with other QBs as a cautionary tale for what the Cowboys need to do with him. He's not wired like those other guys.. He just isn't. Maybe he's not talented enough to carry a team with a 30 something ranked defense to the playoffs.. but I'd bet my house he's talented enough to get there with a top 12-15 type defense .. and do some damage when he gets there. And no before you ask I didn't think he was good enough in 2019. But he took his game up several notches in 2020. So my mind will be at ease if they sign him tomorrow that he's not going to go out like Wentz or Goff nor is he going to try and b1tch his way out of town like Watson or Rodgers. I don't think he's wired that way. I could be wrong.. but I have not seen that in him to this point.

They’re all bums...including Dak.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

it's why i have 0 problem with whatever his contract # will be.

Correction, you presently have no problem but when the team starts jettisoning talent because they cannot retain them you will start caterwauling about it. Especially when signing him does not improve the football team.

 

[cowboyec]

Correction, you presently have no problem but when the team starts jettisoning talent because they cannot retain them you will start caterwauling about it. Especially when signing him does not improve the football team.

can you point to any post by me where i caterwall about anything other than Elvis being snubbed by the grammy's?
no.

 

[RonnieT24]

@RonnieT24 No one ever said Dak is Wentz or Goff. From the day those three were drafted, they would always be compared to each other. Same with Ware and Merriman. The Cowboys got the better of the deal with picking up Dak in the 4th vs Goff and Wentz in the 1st. That was for the first 4 years, Dak was the much better pick of that draft based on production vs dollar. It wasn't like Dak was running circles around Wentz and Goff talent-wise. If I had to rate all three, I would say Dak was a 85/100, Wentz an 82/100 and Goff an 83/100. Wentz was never the same after he tore his ACL. Maybe he plays scared. I doubt Dak will be running as much as he did before the injury. In fact, Dak was not running enough the past several years in my opinion. Now it will be less.

The problem for all three is their production and results when making $30M+ are not good. Goff and Wentz's contract are toxic. Rams had to give up a 1st to get rid of Goff. We shall see what happens with the Eagles soon. Dak doesn't have a contract right now but his demands are way over what he can produce vs what others making much less can produce.

Swap out Dak for Wentz or Goff into the Cowboy's team, and my guess is that the win-loss results will be negligible. Going forward, I saw nothing from Dak that suggests a super bowl with Dak making $35-40M/year. Wentz and Goff are getting dumped because they are not worth $30M+. The rookie Hurts was just as good as Wentz.

Dak has fan and player support in his favor which bodes well for him and leading to Jerry caving again like he did with Zeke. Goff and Wentz did not have fan or player support.

Wentz never had fan support because his backup won the Super Bowl.. He didn't have player support because he's apparently an insecure prick who blames anybody but himself when things don't go well. Goff lost fan support when he failed to know where the sun rises and sets. And he lost player support when he started pitching fits like a little girl when McVay reined the offense in on him. The talent thing? The thing you forget about Dak is that he played against tougher competition than Goff and Wentz and had greater success. He was better in college than both of them and that continued in the pros.