Twitter: Archer's six-years contract proposal for Dak

[gimmesix]

$30 million the first year seems a little high.

Get that number down to $20 million by pushing $10 million into the back end, and you've got a reasonable deal. However, to do that Dak would probably want a bigger signing bonus. Maybe get that up to $12 million per year.

 

[blueblood70]

I'm no expert but this seems reasonable for BOTH sides.....





How a six-year deal could be a compromise for Cowboys, Dak Prescott

The proposed compromise would be a six-year deal that voids to four years.

Both sides can then claim a win. The Cowboys can get their salary-cap flexibility in the first two seasons of the deal when teams will be paying somewhat of a price because of the coronavirus pandemic (the NFL's salary cap is projected to be down, at roughly $180 million for the next year), and Prescott can be back on the market in 2025.

A perfect solution? Probably not, but there has to be some compromise in a situation that has played out going on its third offseason.

Here's how it would work:

We know the Cowboys offered Prescott a $50 million signing bonus last year. Let's keep that the same, so that would cost $10 million against the cap from 2021 to 2025 because bonuses can be prorated for only five years.

Now the base salaries:

2021: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2022: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2023: $32.5 million ($25 million fully guaranteed)

2024: $32.5 million

2025: $32.5 million

2026: $32.5 million

That's six years, $220 million for an average of $36.7 million a year. In reality, it's a four-year deal worth $155 million for an average of $38.75 million with $115 million fully guaranteed at signing. He would make $90 million over the first two years of the deal.

The cap numbers under this deal would be:

2021: $30 million

2022: $30 million

2023: $42.5 million

2024: $42.5 million

2025: $42.5 million

2026: $32.5 million
How do the Cowboys gain cap flexibility in the second year of the deal? With a tool they have commonly used on all of their major signings. They can turn more than $18 million of Prescott's 2022 base salary into signing bonus for cap purposes and create $14.4 million in room in Year 2 of the deal. Based on a proposed $2 million base salary in 2022, it would add $3.6 million to each of the aforementioned cap numbers from 2023 to 2026.

2022: $15.6 million

2023: $46.1 million

2024: $46.1 million

2025: $46.1 million

2026: $36.1 million

seems fair IF the DC FO and fans want dak locked up 4-6 years

I mean dak was hesitant to sign the loner term deal wantign another bite at the apple well te money increases a lot as it matures..seems like it would work for both sides..im not lawyer, CPA. or moneyman but that looks like win for both sides if they all want a long relationship..

if that doesnt tip the scales then neither side truly want a deal done IMHO

 

[fivetwos]

I think this is a very fair compromise for both sides. I have been saying Dallas needs a longer deal to make Dak's contract cap friendly in years 1 and 2. After that they can begin to dump Zeke, Jaylon Smith and if necessary Lawrence and Cooper. A 4 years deal does not give the Cowboys any room to maneuver their cap.

The money in this deal is a little more than I would pay Dak, but that is the compromise the Cowboys would be making to get Dak to sign a longer deal. The good news is the Cowboys can still trade of cut Dak later and the dead money will be a little less than the CAP impact if he stays - if I understand the structure of the deal.

Of course, no one thinks Dak will sign this deal, including me. The Cowboys already offered him a fair deal, based on the reports I read. I still think Dak and his agent are hoping to hit free agency next year when Dak can use other teams offers to bid up the Cowboys or he signed with another team.

The leverage that Dak has right now, coupled with the idea that the supposed negotiating geniuses named Jones usually seem to get hosed on terms when it comes to their pet cats.....scares me.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Nothing.
He is a FA. Until tagged. Then it depends which tag option the use.

And a tag and trade won't work. Dak would need to agree to it, and if he did, the new team still needs to work out a deal. Maybe another team will give him that 4 year deal.
Or maybe Dak says no, Jerry you have me for this year at a price that may not allow you to bring in FA's or keep some of your own. If that happens, Dak will be even more hated.

I started a new job last year. And since I was a new face, I had guys trying to tell me how to run barricade tape and how to turn a valve. Things that I already knew from being in the industry for over a decade. So, just because one person is doling out information, that doesn't mean he's actually teaching somebody something new. I learned nothing new from your post, JFYI. Good try though.



BTW - My post was mainly...a JOKE!

 

[John813]

$30 million the first year seems a little high.

Get that number down to $20 million by pushing $10 million into the back end, and you've got a reasonable deal. However, to do that Dak would probably want a bigger signing bonus. Maybe get that up to $12 million per year.

Was thinking that too but if they projected Dak to have a 37mil cap hit(Franchise tag) then getting him at 30mil would be a plus.

He was using the 20mil salary+10mil prorated bonus in a large way to hit 90mil in the first 2 years in actual salary for Dak.
That 10mil goes to the back and it's only 80mil. Not sure why Archer went to 90mil over the first two years, but maybe it has to do with recent deals?
I think any deal would have a bigger 2nd year base salary to allow for the ~90mil range and it'll be an instant restructure to knock down the cap hit in 2022.

So like 12-15mil base+10mil SB in 2021 for a 22-25mil cap hit
25-28mil base+10mil SB in 2022 for 35-38 mil cap hit which could be restructured as need be for cap space next year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

How a six-year deal could be a compromise for Cowboys, Dak Prescott

The proposed compromise would be a six-year deal that voids to four years.

Both sides can then claim a win. The Cowboys can get their salary-cap flexibility in the first two seasons of the deal when teams will be paying somewhat of a price because of the coronavirus pandemic (the NFL's salary cap is projected to be down, at roughly $180 million for the next year), and Prescott can be back on the market in 2025.

A perfect solution? Probably not, but there has to be some compromise in a situation that has played out going on its third offseason.

Here's how it would work:

We know the Cowboys offered Prescott a $50 million signing bonus last year. Let's keep that the same, so that would cost $10 million against the cap from 2021 to 2025 because bonuses can be prorated for only five years.

Now the base salaries:

2021: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2022: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2023: $32.5 million ($25 million fully guaranteed)

2024: $32.5 million

2025: $32.5 million

2026: $32.5 million

That's six years, $220 million for an average of $36.7 million a year. In reality, it's a four-year deal worth $155 million for an average of $38.75 million with $115 million fully guaranteed at signing. He would make $90 million over the first two years of the deal.

The cap numbers under this deal would be:

2021: $30 million

2022: $30 million

2023: $42.5 million

2024: $42.5 million

2025: $42.5 million

2026: $32.5 million
How do the Cowboys gain cap flexibility in the second year of the deal? With a tool they have commonly used on all of their major signings. They can turn more than $18 million of Prescott's 2022 base salary into signing bonus for cap purposes and create $14.4 million in room in Year 2 of the deal. Based on a proposed $2 million base salary in 2022, it would add $3.6 million to each of the aforementioned cap numbers from 2023 to 2026.

2022: $15.6 million

2023: $46.1 million

2024: $46.1 million

2025: $46.1 million

2026: $36.1 million

 

[gimmesix]

Was thinking that too but if they projected Dak to have a 37mil cap hit(Franchise tag) then getting him at 30mil would be a plus.

He was using the 20mil salary+10mil prorated bonus in a large way to hit 90mil in the first 2 years in actual salary for Dak.
That 10mil goes to the back and it's only 80mil. Not sure why Archer went to 90mil over the first two years, but maybe it has to do with recent deals?
I think any deal would have a bigger 2nd year base salary to allow for the ~90mil range and it'll be an instant restructure to knock down the cap hit in 2022.

So like 12-15mil base+10mil SB in 2021 for a 22-25mil cap hit
25-28mil base+10mil SB in 2022 for 35-38 mil cap hit which could be restructured as need be for cap space next year.

You push the signing bonus to $60 million and he gets $86 million his first two years ($8 million base in 2021 for $20 million total, $18 million base in 2022 for $30 million total). However, we get to spread the $60 million over those first five years, which helps lower what we have to pay him the first year. I'm OK with the second year being higher because we can restructure if needed.

Keeping the cap hit lower would help us to effectively make moves in free agents to help out the defense. Now, I'm not expecting Dallas to make any good moves in FA, but the idea is that they could.

 

[jazzcat22]

I started a new job last year. And since I was a new face, I had guys trying to tell me how to run barricade tape and how to turn a valve. Things that I already knew from being in the industry for over a decade. So, just because one person is doling out information, that doesn't mean he's actually teaching somebody something new. I learned nothing new from your post, JFYI. Good try though.



BTW - My post was mainly...a JOKE!

But you did learn something new, you learned that you learned nothing new.

As for the valve thing, you learned that some one else knew how to do it also, and learned that you knew what you were doing all along.

 

[Loso86]

I'm no expert but this seems reasonable for BOTH sides.....





How a six-year deal could be a compromise for Cowboys, Dak Prescott

The proposed compromise would be a six-year deal that voids to four years.

Both sides can then claim a win. The Cowboys can get their salary-cap flexibility in the first two seasons of the deal when teams will be paying somewhat of a price because of the coronavirus pandemic (the NFL's salary cap is projected to be down, at roughly $180 million for the next year), and Prescott can be back on the market in 2025.

A perfect solution? Probably not, but there has to be some compromise in a situation that has played out going on its third offseason.

Here's how it would work:

We know the Cowboys offered Prescott a $50 million signing bonus last year. Let's keep that the same, so that would cost $10 million against the cap from 2021 to 2025 because bonuses can be prorated for only five years.

Now the base salaries:

2021: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2022: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2023: $32.5 million ($25 million fully guaranteed)

2024: $32.5 million

2025: $32.5 million

2026: $32.5 million

That's six years, $220 million for an average of $36.7 million a year. In reality, it's a four-year deal worth $155 million for an average of $38.75 million with $115 million fully guaranteed at signing. He would make $90 million over the first two years of the deal.

The cap numbers under this deal would be:

2021: $30 million

2022: $30 million

2023: $42.5 million

2024: $42.5 million

2025: $42.5 million

2026: $32.5 million
How do the Cowboys gain cap flexibility in the second year of the deal? With a tool they have commonly used on all of their major signings. They can turn more than $18 million of Prescott's 2022 base salary into signing bonus for cap purposes and create $14.4 million in room in Year 2 of the deal. Based on a proposed $2 million base salary in 2022, it would add $3.6 million to each of the aforementioned cap numbers from 2023 to 2026.

2022: $15.6 million

2023: $46.1 million

2024: $46.1 million

2025: $46.1 million

2026: $36.1 million

This still would be too much formality of our fans, not because it is but because it LOOKS like too much. 200 plus million for a QB NO WAY lmao

 

[CATCH17]

Figuring out a way to participate in the market of stupidity.

Just get out of it and find a different player to play the position.

 

[blueblood70]

The leverage that Dak has right now, coupled with the idea that the supposed negotiating geniuses named Jones usually seem to get hosed on terms when it comes to their pet cats.....scares me.

conflicting narratives "pet cat" if dak was truly a pet cat he would have had deal doesnt after year 3/4 the fact that its still hanging out there says otherwise..dak and his agent have irritated Jerry to point that who knows how he truly views dak right now..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm no expert but this seems reasonable for BOTH sides.....





How a six-year deal could be a compromise for Cowboys, Dak Prescott

The proposed compromise would be a six-year deal that voids to four years.

Both sides can then claim a win. The Cowboys can get their salary-cap flexibility in the first two seasons of the deal when teams will be paying somewhat of a price because of the coronavirus pandemic (the NFL's salary cap is projected to be down, at roughly $180 million for the next year), and Prescott can be back on the market in 2025.

A perfect solution? Probably not, but there has to be some compromise in a situation that has played out going on its third offseason.

Here's how it would work:

We know the Cowboys offered Prescott a $50 million signing bonus last year. Let's keep that the same, so that would cost $10 million against the cap from 2021 to 2025 because bonuses can be prorated for only five years.

Now the base salaries:

2021: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2022: $20 million (fully guaranteed)

2023: $32.5 million ($25 million fully guaranteed)

2024: $32.5 million

2025: $32.5 million

2026: $32.5 million

That's six years, $220 million for an average of $36.7 million a year. In reality, it's a four-year deal worth $155 million for an average of $38.75 million with $115 million fully guaranteed at signing. He would make $90 million over the first two years of the deal.

The cap numbers under this deal would be:

2021: $30 million

2022: $30 million

2023: $42.5 million

2024: $42.5 million

2025: $42.5 million

2026: $32.5 million
How do the Cowboys gain cap flexibility in the second year of the deal? With a tool they have commonly used on all of their major signings. They can turn more than $18 million of Prescott's 2022 base salary into signing bonus for cap purposes and create $14.4 million in room in Year 2 of the deal. Based on a proposed $2 million base salary in 2022, it would add $3.6 million to each of the aforementioned cap numbers from 2023 to 2026.

2022: $15.6 million

2023: $46.1 million

2024: $46.1 million

2025: $46.1 million

2026: $36.1 million

Terrible idea. Why in the world would you agree to a deal that puts you in a position where you could be paying for a QB that is no longer on the roster for two years after they are gone? It also creates a big advantage in negotiations for the player if they resign in 4 years. I hope we learned our lesson on this kind of thing with Romo.

 

[cowboyblue22]

i think the cowboys have until july the 15th to get this deal done if they dont then it is rebuild time because then he will hit free agency and we end up with a third round draft comp pick

 

[fivetwos]

Well, it is an it isn't.

I think the players care about the AAV optics.

I'll go with that.

Also the agents probably like it.

After all, deals are often looked at that way by the general public.

Somehow, someone typically has an agenda to add all that fluff at the end.

If the agents take is based on that, there's the answer.

 

[InTheZone]

6 years, that's a long time with Dak

 

[blueblood70]

well hes pretty comfy now add in the football field behind the house well..how could he not sign LOL

 

[blueblood70]

i think the cowboys have until july the 15th to get this deal done if they dont then it is rebuild time because then he will hit free agency and we end up with a third round draft comp pick

what umm no that would be 2022 because he will get tagged and he will hold out an don't get paid or play 2021 so lets stop skipping over the facts,, he can not truly hit FA until after 2021..

 

[fivetwos]

conflicting narratives "pet cat" if dak was truly a pet cat he would have had deal doesnt after year 3/4 the fact that its still hanging out there says otherwise..dak and his agent have irritated Jerry to point that who knows how he truly views dak right now..

Nah he is. Come on now. Its not really a problem in this case considering the position he plays and how important he is to any kind of success this team can hope for in the next few seasons.

The problem lies at how Jerry went into this.

Telling the public Dak is his guy.....committing to him publicly.....then asking the agent for a discount just because.

Jerry has less and less leverage as time goes on here.

Considering he typically caves, it's a concern at what these terms eventually may look like.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i think the cowboys have until july the 15th to get this deal done if they dont then it is rebuild time because then he will hit free agency and we end up with a third round draft comp pick

Technically, he would be under contract until 2022 but you are right. Once we get into the season, assuming he and his agent follow the same course of action, he's done negotiating. He won't negotiate during the season and so he's effectively gone. We either have to reach a deal or move him before the next League year.

 

[JoeKing]

What can Dallas get in a trade?

Nothing until Dak signs a tag. He's a free agent!