How do fans determine whether it’s the QB or team holding them back?

[buybuydandavis]

There’s many fans who appear to be divided on whether it’s our QB or defense holding us back from more success. And it’s a fair argument .

Im curious how fans determine these factors. I mean how do they know for a fact if a team is struggling to go further in the playoffs, etc is because of their QB or other contributing factors.

We know good QB’s can be on bad teams and bad QB’s can be on good teams. I’d be curious of some of the examples out there where bad QB’s are holding back good teams and bad teams are holding back good QB’s.

If any player gets better, the team gets better. Dak has been a better QB than the defense has been a defense since Dak joined the team.

But in a capped league, "who is holding the team back" is more than who plays better, it's a question of bang for your buck.

On his rookie contract, Dak was probably the best value proposition in the league. Far from holding us back, his cheap contract kept got us to the playoffs 2/4 years instead of entirely cratering as we ate dead money on Tony and bad contracts like Dez and Terrance.

At 40mil, is Dak still a value proposition? I doubt it. I consider Dak in the top 6-10 QBs. It's not his play. It's the value for cap dollar I doubt. I think the QB market is a bubble.

This doesn't change just because the defense stinks and is a worse value proposition. A bad contract isn't justified because we have worse contracts on the team, or signed worse contracts in the past.

(But if the cap balloons, 40mil for Dak could be cheap. DLaw's contract could look better too. They're very good players. Our best besides Martin. Cooper is up there too. Collins. Tyron is a better player when healthy, but that hasn't been so often.)

 

[buybuydandavis]

But who’s holding the team back more. Is the QB or defense worse?

The defense was cartoonishly bad this year while Dak played well. In prior years, Dak cost a pittance.

If your game is *relative* finger pointing for the last 5 years, don't point at Dak.

 

[jazzcat22]

So what explains 2016-2019 when Dallas' defense was giving up between 19-20 points per game average???? 2020 was a debacle of a season defensively and everyone recognizes that but the Dallas defense was not horrible in Dak's first 4 seasons.

What were the reasons then through 2015. When Tony was throwing game ending interceptions. Was it him trying to make something happen or was it the defense or something else.

 

[5Stars]

There’s many fans who appear to be divided on whether it’s our QB or defense holding us back from more success. And it’s a fair argument .

Im curious how fans determine these factors. I mean how do they know for a fact if a team is struggling to go further in the playoffs, etc is because of their QB or other contributing factors.

We know good QB’s can be on bad teams and bad QB’s can be on good teams. I’d be curious of some of the examples out there where bad QB’s are holding back good teams and bad teams are holding back good QB’s.

It could really be both, the QB and the defense, however, there is one more part to your answer. Coaching.

 

[Diehardblues]

It could really be both, the QB and the defense, however, there is one more part to your answer. Coaching.

There’s no doubt contributing factors but which is worse . Personally I’d argue more is h

Regardless, I was looking for examples across the league where good QB that were being held back by bad teams and bad QB holding back good teams. Do you have any ?

 

[5Stars]

There’s no doubt contributing factors but which is worse .

Regardless, I was looking for examples across the league where good QB that we’re being held back by bad teams and bad QB holding back good teams. Do you have any ?

I don't have a clue. What I do know is that one compliments the other. That would take a lot of study to figure all that out...but, I get what you'e asking.

 

[john van brocklin]

There’s many fans who appear to be divided on whether it’s our QB or defense holding us back from more success. And it’s a fair argument .

Im curious how fans determine these factors. I mean how do they know for a fact if a team is struggling to go further in the playoffs, etc is because of their QB or other contributing factors.

We know good QB’s can be on bad teams and bad QB’s can be on good teams. I’d be curious of some of the examples out there where bad QB’s are holding back good teams and bad teams are holding back good QB’s.

Our Defense is a Dumpster Fire.
Even Brady could not take that sorry group to the SB.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't have a clue. What I do know is that one compliments the other. That would take a lot of study to figure all that out...but, I get what you'e asking.

Understood. But it would appear if we can’t recognize these issues on other teams how could we be so sure on our team?

 

[Diehardblues]

Our Defense is a Dumpster Fire.
Even Brady could not take that sorry group to the SB.

Of course. What other teams would you describe as such?

 

[Diehardblues]

The defense was cartoonishly bad this year while Dak played well. In prior years, Dak cost a pittance.

If your game is *relative* finger pointing for the last 5 years, don't point at Dak.

Any other teams which is what I was looking for . Our team has been hashed over .

I thought if fans weighed in other teams with bad teams holding back good QB and bad QB holding back good teams it might present comparisons .

 

[5Stars]

Understood. But it would appear if we can’t recognize these issues on other teams how could we be so sure on our team?

Like I told you, I have no clue. Have you tried calling Dr. Phil?

 

[john van brocklin]

Of course. What other teams would you describe as such?

Don't know, I only watch the Cowboys, not a big fan of the NFL.

 

[Diehardblues]

Like I told you, I have no clue. Have you tried calling Dr. Phil?

How can we trust fans analysis of our team if they can’t evaluate other teams?

 

[Diehardblues]

Don't know, I only watch the Cowboys, not a big fan of the NFL.

You watch the teams we play. You can only evaluate the Cowboys?

Hiw can we trust a critic that can only evaluate one team?

 

[john van brocklin]

If any player gets better, the team gets better. Dak has been a better QB than the defense has been a defense since Dak joined the team.

But in a capped league, "who is holding the team back" is more than who plays better, it's a question of bang for your buck.

On his rookie contract, Dak was probably the best value proposition in the league. Far from holding us back, his cheap contract kept got us to the playoffs 2/4 years instead of entirely cratering as we ate dead money on Tony and bad contracts like Dez and Terrance.

At 40mil, is Dak still a value proposition? I doubt it. I consider Dak in the top 6-10 QBs. It's not his play. It's the value for cap dollar I doubt. I think the QB market is a bubble.

This doesn't change just because the defense stinks and is a worse value proposition. A bad contract isn't justified because we have worse contracts on the team, or signed worse contracts in the past.

(But if the cap balloons, 40mil for Dak could be cheap. DLaw's contract could look better too. They're very good players. Our best besides Martin. Cooper is up there too. Collins. Tyron is a better player when healthy, but that hasn't been so often.)

Outstanding analysis !!!

 

[5Stars]

How can we trust fans analysis of our team if they can’t evaluate other teams?

lol...dog head, that's not our job as fans. I need to leave right now because I have to go jam at the studio. Hope you get your answer.

 

[john van brocklin]

You watch the teams we play. You can only evaluate the Cowboys?

How can we trust a critic that can only evaluate one team?

Watching another Team's defense a game or two is not a large enough sample size to pass judgement.

I saw all 16 Cowboys games this past season and the stench of their D was horrendous.

 

[blueblood70]

There’s many fans who appear to be divided on whether it’s our QB or defense holding us back from more success. And it’s a fair argument .

Im curious how fans determine these factors. I mean how do they know for a fact if a team is struggling to go further in the playoffs, etc is because of their QB or other contributing factors.

We know good QB’s can be on bad teams and bad QB’s can be on good teams. I’d be curious of some of the examples out there where bad QB’s are holding back good teams and bad teams are holding back good QB’s.

too late they are being moved and traded already lol

winston was holding back tampa was that not obvious?

wentz possibly the eagle's issues??

Goff the rams?

stafford maybe a good qb on bad team we shall find out..

far more examples but the real issues are how many can you pay a JUST GOOD qb the near market rate and still build good team around them? i mean elite can overcome some bad teams but not every year..
we see it can be both ways but its the money with Dak right now how much is too much?

 

[CATCH17]

Dak isn’t holding us back. The team is.

I just wish he didn’t want so much money that we lose almost all hope of a super bowl.

It’s not just that his contract will be bad it’s the several other bad deals we have.

 

[Diehardblues]

too late they are being moved and traded already lol

winston was holding back tampa was that not obvious?

wentz possibly the eagle's issues??

Goff the rams?

stafford maybe a good qb on bad team we shall find out..

far more examples but the real issues are how many can you pay a JUST GOOD qb the near market rate and still build good team around them? i mean elite can overcome some bad teams but not every year..
we see it can be both ways but its the money with Dak right now how much is too much?

I’m not sure. Not sure anyone can be certain. But those are good examples I was looking for from other teams.