Self-imposed deadline for a deal

[RustyBourneHorse]

Great write up !!!

Thankies!

 

[nightrain]

What if the Cowboys were to move in another direction right now and not go all in on a franchise QB? What if they were to go hard after Williams and Tomlinson and draft either CB, DL or LB depending on who is there at #10.

I would love to see a different approach from the same ole crap, high powered offense stuff. Where has it gotten the team from Romo through Dak? Could you imagine adding players like those two monsters from the Giants and the #10 pick to the defense? Not only would it weaken a divisional opponent, but the Cowboys D would be 100% legit for the first time since, what, Parcells?

How awesome would it be to see a Cowboys defense that actually put some fear into the opposition and, oh by the way, what the hell is Zeke for? Run the ball and play defense! If the OL can get just get back the RG and a T, 75% improvement right there. I think Dalton or some other serviceable guy out there could run an offense that focused on handing it off and play action. Deploy a strategy of TOP and field position and yea, got some pretty good talent at the receiver position.

Dak is a good QB and an excellent guy to have in the locker room. I really lost interest in him when I read the story (taken with a grain of salt) about him wanting to take a short deal so he could dip his toe back in the contract pool again in a few years. Doesn't sound like he is all in on the Cowboys so how can a Cowboys fan be expected to be all in on Dak? I don't recall hearing that kind of stuff about some of the other QBs who signed mega deals of late.

I'm ready to see if we can win more 16-13 games than we lost 33-27. The current team identity has long been a failure and built on a house of cards.

 

[flyinghorse]

I say forget Dak.....Bring in Stephens son....he’s a Jones heir...already a billionaire....he’ll play for free....no negotiations no contract no drama no agent....he’ll just suit up & play.....That’s what I’m talking about!!

 

[cristglo]

First off, as I have asked many times, what does Dak want exactly that the Cowboys are unwilling to give him? Is it money? or is it really the length of the contract? If it was just the length of the deal then why didn't Jerry give in last year and do a 4 year deal just for peace of mind? Not knowing exactly what Dak wants is part of our, or at least my, frustration. It could be that Dak's agent has not made Dak's demands clear to Jerry and that's why they remain so far apart. It could also be why Jerry has reportedly not made a new offer to Dak since he offered $35 million for 5 years (reportedly). If Dak simply turned the deal down without making a counter offer, then of course Jerry would be a fool to make a new offer. He would be bidding himself up.

If Dak is unwilling to sign a deal with Dallas then they have no choice but to franchise him - and trade him. You are right, if he plays on the franchise this year both sides know he is not coming back next year so why prolong it any further. Trade him for whatever they can get and move on, even if it means playing with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB for 1 year. But, if Dallas let's Dak get away without getting at least 1 first round pick back for him then they are foolish. If Wentz get get a 2nd and 3rd (with the 2nd probably being a first), then surely Dak should bring a 1st and at least a 2nd. Wouldn't you rather have that than nothing? Think of what Dallas can do with 2 ones and 2 twos this year.

Now knowing that we have made legitimate offers to Dak in 2018-2020 I have to agree. I have been on the Dak wagon and truly believe that he can win us a SB but he cant win us a SB if we have to get rid of or cant sign any FA players to help Dak out. Whats the point we all know if we tag him again then we are back at looking for a QB in 2021. If this drags out past April 15 then we have shot ourselves in the foot by having to draft a QB and then not being able to sign anyone to help out on defense. Im at the point that we offer Dak the 4yr 40.5 mil and if he doesnt take it then trade him plain and simple.

 

[cristglo]

The smart move would have been to sign Dak immediately after the 2018 season.

At this point all the options are bad.

Developing a rookie QB takes time, and that’s assuming we actually get a good one, which is a crap shoot.

Expect more mediocrity from our beloved Cowboys.

They tried to sign Dak 2018 - 2020 Dak refused the Cowboys Contract offers

 

[cristglo]

Khan would do ANYTHING to win soon. Dak and Gallup would make them instant above .500. Meyer likes a running QB and Dak would give them that option.

The problem is that why would you give up 40 million to Dak and not just draft Trevor a better QB for a cheaper price??

 

[plymkr]

I thought this was a done deal and evidently I was wrong and there's a chance a deal does not get done and what good does it do to tag Prescott for one year? If they tag him and keep him for the year, that's all they're getting from him and then the new QB era will begin.

This is all about the future of the team and a tag is just running in place when they need to be moving forward.

If they do use the tag, they need a strict deadline for getting a long term deal into place at least one week prior to the draft. At that point, they can explore their options about which QB to take and rescind the tag and he can go wherever he wants that will pay him 41.5M for 3 years.

Am I missing something here? They've been at this for two years and haven't been able to come to terms and that deadline story from Prescott is starting to look just like that, a story.

What does a tag do? Buy more time. Time for what? Either they feel he is a 40M QB and the QB of the future or they don't.

His agent is a take it or leave it negotiator so nothing is going to change and the Joneses are doing nothing but wasting time if they are not going to meet his demands.

The non exclusive tag will not work. Name the team that will forfeit 2 1sts and pay Prescott what he wants. All that does is add more time to a situation that has already taken too much time.

They need a self-imposed deadline for themselves to move forward, not for a deal to get done unless they are giving in.

If Prescott hasn't come off that position, let him go seek out a new team and draft a QB with that 1st but they will have to move up as the number projected is now up to 5 QB's in the 1st 10 picks, which will be a record. And I think it is apparent that he's going to play hardball with them as this has gone on longer than any contract negotiation in NFL history.

I realize the inherent risk in drafting a QB and the need for D help but this is what it is. This team cannot begin to fix their problems paying a QB 37.7M for one season. What's the reasoning in that? They can't even keep average players on their defense. Quinn starts off in a hole.

But the real deadline is accepting the fact the Prescott era is over and a new one beginning. Take the QB and use the money on a couple of real FA's, not third wavers, and quite possibly because of the talent on the offense, a rookie QB can step in much like Marino, Rothliesberger and Prescott were able to do and they have a better season than they would have had with a tagged QB.

Deadlines aren't for just getting deals done but for ourselves in making the hard tough decisions that we'd prefer not to make but they must be made for that coaching staff and 52 other players. It's about them, not him.

I agree with everything you said except about the part about the NET. I think you give him the NET and see what he can get and then address trade compensation with the team he agrees to a contract with.

I totally agree that there's not a team dumb enough to pay him his demands and give up 2 firsts. That would cripple their franchise. But with the NET can the Cowboys negotiate a trade or is it set in stone that it has to be 2 firsts?

I don't want him to walk without getting something for him.

 

[plymkr]

I don't think they can pry #2 away from NY unless somehow Prescott is part of it....or trading away the picks needed to field a decent defense.

I just can't see this FO getting successfully creative at all here.

The choices are really to sign him to huge money....

The saving grace here is the player is insisting on a shorter term....and the team can't kick the can down the road on restructures.

I personally think Prescott "betting on himself" and not signing a massive deal (with the huge bonus that goes with it) is one of the dumbest decisions in pro sports history considering the injury possibility, etc.

And considering the pandemic. Who turns down 35 million a year with 100 million guaranteed while the whole world gets shut down by a pandemic. Yes, one of the dumbest decisions in pro sports history.

 

[Aven8]

I’m curious where Mike is in all of this? He thought he was coming to a team with a QB and now here we sit.

 

[Diehardblues]

Amazing how many fans still think the Cowboys are just about football.

 

[Diehardblues]

And considering the pandemic. Who turns down 35 million a year with 100 million guaranteed while the whole world gets shut down by a pandemic. Yes, one of the dumbest decisions in pro sports history.

Not when you can get 37.7 million with a Franchise Tag. And then negotiate the next year for 40+.

Too many fans continue to try and apply normal rationale or comparing themselves or their situations to these negotiations.

And FYI to answer the question who holds out in the midst of a Pandemic is the guy working for a league who just held the networks over a barrel for billions more after having less viewership.

Breaking news. Big business continues on. The rich keep getting richer .

 

[Diehardblues]

desperate ones like the Jags.Don;t think for a minute that Khan and Urban Meyer wouldn't LOVE to have Dak Prescott be there starter day 1. Makes that team way better. Dallas would then have the number 1 pick. Sounds crazy..but not impossible. Jags have some good players. Why not trade Gallup and Dak to the Jags for picks?

Urban is completely tied to Trevor. And he’ll get time to develop a team around him. No way Meyer is turning away from that opportunity.

 

[Diehardblues]

If he's on the non exclusive, they won't trade him. If he gets an offer he wants, the Cowboys have 5 days to match it or take 2 1sts from that team. They can only trade him on the exclusive tag with his cooperation. If they tag him, I think cooperation is out of the question.

If we tag him, it at least gives us a year to come up with another plan at QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

What if the Cowboys were to move in another direction right now and not go all in on a franchise QB? What if they were to go hard after Williams and Tomlinson and draft either CB, DL or LB depending on who is there at #10.

I would love to see a different approach from the same ole crap, high powered offense stuff. Where has it gotten the team from Romo through Dak? Could you imagine adding players like those two monsters from the Giants and the #10 pick to the defense? Not only would it weaken a divisional opponent, but the Cowboys D would be 100% legit for the first time since, what, Parcells?

How awesome would it be to see a Cowboys defense that actually put some fear into the opposition and, oh by the way, what the hell is Zeke for? Run the ball and play defense! If the OL can get just get back the RG and a T, 75% improvement right there. I think Dalton or some other serviceable guy out there could run an offense that focused on handing it off and play action. Deploy a strategy of TOP and field position and yea, got some pretty good talent at the receiver position.

Dak is a good QB and an excellent guy to have in the locker room. I really lost interest in him when I read the story (taken with a grain of salt) about him wanting to take a short deal so he could dip his toe back in the contract pool again in a few years. Doesn't sound like he is all in on the Cowboys so how can a Cowboys fan be expected to be all in on Dak? I don't recall hearing that kind of stuff about some of the other QBs who signed mega deals of late.

I'm ready to see if we can win more 16-13 games than we lost 33-27. The current team identity has long been a failure and built on a house of cards.

While I agree in football terms we must remember the Cowboys despite their lack of success on the field have been the most successful franchise.

And ultimately that’s the bottomline . And if we don’t think Jethro is making that his priority haven’t been paying attention.

The current team identity has been a thunderous success at the box office . And fans often lose focus this is a business first.

 

[Montanalo]

This is all about the future of the team and a tag is just running in place when they need to be moving forward.

@CouchCoach, as we have come to expect with your posts, you've provided a clear, thoughtful and balanced take on a controversial topic.

Let me offer a slightly different view, however:. Sign Dak to long-term contract and many will rejoice while a equal number will lament. Don't sign Dak and many will rejoice while an equal number will lament the decision.

Either way, the Dallas Cowboy franchise will most likely flourish financially.

You're right - this should have been dealt with 2 year's ago. The cynical side of me thinks that neither wants this contract resolved sooner rather than later... It certainly keeps the Cowboys relevant in the sports media world despite non-success on the field.

 

[Kingofholland]

There's merit in keeping the proven guy vs an unkown rookie. However, if the contract situation is dire and can't get a deal done before the draft you have to plan to move ahead without that player. I do believe the Cowboys have extended fair offers to Dak and at some point Dak has to ask himself if he wants to be here or cares more about squeezing more out.

Dak does have trade value so maybe the Cowboys work something out for Wilson or draft a rookie and sign a veteran stop gap.

 

[CouchCoach]

If we tag him, it at least gives us a year to come up with another plan at QB.

This QB class has the potential to be another '83 class, this might be the opportune time to go for one. Major difference is in that draft, they were spread out.

This situation has drug out so long I think it is evident that it is time to move on from Prescott. I don't even want to keep Dalton, too expensive, need a D player that can play D and ST.

This offense is in the same shape that it was when Prescott was a rookie and an easy offense for a rookie QB to step into and he's got McC and Moore to bring him along.

If they could do a sign and trade, why not offer Prescott and Gallup and the 10 for the 2 and take Zack Wilson? NYJ can let Darnold and Prescott fight it out for the QB1 while the Cowboys prepare for the next future. I'd take the savings not paying Prescott and get a couple of first week D FA's.

I look at this like a marriage and the Joneses are having far too hard a time getting the bride to the alter, this bride will eventually cheat on them.

 

[nightrain]

While I agree in football terms we must remember the Cowboys despite their lack of success on the field have been the most successful franchise.

And ultimately that’s the bottomline . And if we don’t think Jethro is making that his priority haven’t been paying attention.

The current team identity has been a thunderous success at the box office . And fans often lose focus this is a business first.

As a season ticket holder like myself, I am sure you notice how the venue and now the area have become a destination. The Cowboys have a quite a road presence at their games for fans across the country to come in and see their team whoop the hated Cowboys while enjoying a first class experience.

The brand is a first rate entity, but the team is as mediocre as canned corn. I don't think a different direction will do anything to hurt the brand or the revenue streams.

 

[plymkr]

Not when you can get 37.7 million with a Franchise Tag. And then negotiate the next year for 40+.

Too many fans continue to try and apply normal rationale or comparing themselves or their situations to these negotiations.

And FYI to answer the question who holds out in the midst of a Pandemic is the guy working for a league who just held the networks over a barrel for billions more after having less viewership.

Breaking news. Big business continues on. The rich keep getting richer .

So you think it's a good decision to turn down 100 million guaranteed?

Turning down 100 million is never a good decision, especially when you can get another 100 million payday in 5 years. Turning down 100 million so you can get your next 100 million a year earlier is plain dumb.

 

[Diehardblues]

So you think it's a good decision to turn down 100 million guaranteed?

Turning down 100 million is never a good decision, especially when you can get another 100 million payday in 5 years. Turning down 100 million so you can get your next 100 million a year earlier is plain dumb.

Obviously Dak thought last year he’d rather only wait 4 years and this year he only wants to wait 3 years to renegotiate again.

So yea , turning it down now if you’re turning up the clock for even a bigger payday down the road sounds good to me. Assuming you’re still getting a similar deal down