The Pitts talk is mental

LACowboysFan1

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I agree but at that's my point. If he's not going to come into the league and be the best player in the league what good is he to the Cowboys at that position?

To me he has to be a significant upgrade to Jarwin, Shultz, etc. Not just better, quite a bit better. And he's got to out perform not just those guys, but be a better receiving option than Cooper, Gallup and Lamb, because for him to get throws somebody else's throws will be reduced.

Don't see on this team he'd be the best first pick..
 

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I certainly understand this viewpoint. And you’re a good poster who does understand football, so please don’t take this as me preaching at you. But:

Evan Engram isn’t nearly in the same class as Pitts. Engram had decent height, very good athleticism but was very raw at actually playing football. He was very much a projection. He’s fast as hell but all the other things that a TE/WR does was essentially missing.

Try to just forget about Pitts’ physical skills. He doesn’t need to be compared to Engram, Ebron, etc. Just focus on what he does on the football field. His ability to get open and catch the ball are unlike any college TE that I’ve ever seen. His natural feel for football in general and catching the ball in particular are better than great. They are pretty rare period but even more so for TE.

Everything he does on the football field is natural and easy for him. I’m talking about catching, running routes, high pointing the ball and even running after the catch. He understands angles, leverage, and has just a natural feel for all the physics that go into football. He already does most things right. And he is even an OK blocker, though that isn’t his strength.

I’ve been hesitant to say this but the natural way that Pitts catches the ball, runs routes and runs after the catch reminds me an awful lot of the way Randy Moss played. No, I’m not saying he’ll be the TE version of Moss, but there are some similarities in the way they play football. I’m just saying that how what they need to do to win their matchups comes so easily and naturally to them. They both play above the DB’s heads (in more than one way),and they both are among the most natural catchers that I’ve ever seen. Both are long, lean and extremely athletic and both seem to have rare hand-eye coordination.

Notice in none of that was I really talking about Pitts freakish physical skills. What I wrote above is almost exclusively about just being a great football player. I think way too many look at him as just a physical freak and think he needs to be compared to guys like Engram. He’s a completely different beast and much of what makes him so good is between his ears.

Sort of like comparing Randy Moss to John Ross because they are both really fast. It wasn’t Moss’ speed that made him a Hall of Farmer.

Now, on top of Pitts’ innate ability to be a really great football player, throw in his rare speed, his rare athleticism at 6’6” tall and huge catch radius and you have a guy that could be a unique, devastating weapon that has a chance to end up in the ring of honor and even more (read: HOF). Everything about him and his game screams blue-chip.

Regarding Kittle and Kelce, I know what you’re saying about them not being first round picks, however, if NFL teams knew what they would become, they wouldn’t hesitate to use a high pick on them. Both of those guys are highly paid and are huge weapons for their teams. However, teams just didn’t know how great they’d be. So it isn’t like a great TE isn’t worth it... teams just didn’t know that they’d be dominant. With Pitts, teams probably are pretty sure that he will be great so he’ll be picked early. Very early. Like probably before the 10th pick, making this whole conversation moot, haha.


I'm not denying Pitts will be a player.

I agree with every point you made.

My point about bringing up TE"s is that the 1st round busts of tight end is a alarming rate.

You could argue that there hasn't been a 1st round tight end to live up to their potential since Tony Gonzales. That's 20+ years ago.

And while these guys weren't the prospect Pitts is....there have been many tight ends taken in the 1st round who were suppose to come in and set the league by storm.

You can rattle off the top 5 tight ends in the league and not one will have been taken in the 1st round.

So I guess my stance is....in order for me to say Pitts is worth it....he needs to come right in and be better than Kittle and Kelce before him. Because its shown we can get at least a Pro Bowler in later rounds of the draft at tight end.....so for a pick that high....for a guy who's going to have the same impact on a game that Kittle will? He needs to come right in and be better than Kittle to make it worth it.

I think Pitts is a real possibility to be there at 10.....though I personally think the Panthers don't pass him up.
 

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To me he has to be a significant upgrade to Jarwin, Shultz, etc. Not just better, quite a bit better. And he's got to out perform not just those guys, but be a better receiving option than Cooper, Gallup and Lamb, because for him to get throws somebody else's throws will be reduced.

Don't see on this team he'd be the best first pick..
I have a similar stance. With all these weapons....he seems like a luxury at 10.
 

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he is one of the best TE prospects i have seen in recent years and he will be gone by pick 10.
 

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he is one of the best TE prospects i have seen in recent years and he will be gone by pick 10.
Anyone hoping for defense at 10 will need to be hoping he is gone. He just seems like one of those players too good for Jerry and Stephen to pass if he is on the board still at 10. Also if he is still on the board then that means either both top O line or Parsons are off the board. im starting to wonder if our scouts and front office feel CB is way too deep to want to take one at 10.
 

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I get all of that and I agree that the Cowboys need to fix their defense. But lets face it, you aren’t fixing this defense through one draft and I don’t see picking Pitts blocking you from getting day 1 contributors on defense.

With 10 picks in the 2021 draft and free agency starting soon, the Cowboys will still have plenty of resources to invest in the defense. When you pick at 10, you can’t afford a miss and based on what I have seen on the defensive prospects, I think there is a real chance you pick the wrong guy if you pick a corner.

I don’t see that with Kyle Pitts. Pitts is a 6-6, 246 pound matchup nightmare. As a Junior in college, he accumulated 43 catches, 770 yards and 12 touchdowns in 8 games. Mel Kiper Jr. said in all his years of scouting players, he has never had a tight end rated this highly and calls him a combination between a receiver and tight end.

Todd McShay said Pitts is “just different than every other player that I’ve ever watched in college football. 50-50 balls are like 80-20 when you’re throwing it to Kyle Pitts. Last year, the Cowboys couldn’t pass on Ceedee Lamb because he was the best player available and if Kyle Pitts is available at 10, he will be the best player available. Picking Pitts would send your offense into another stratosphere. Think about it.
 

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We have 3 WRs with #1 potential, one already a proven bona-fide #1 in Cooper. We have a proven full-season starter in Schultz, and we have high-upside Jarwin coming back.

These are probably the two positions, along with QB, that we do not need.

Why are people so obsessed with bringing Pitts in?

Maybe with Pitts we can get to 45 points a game.... and our defense will give up 50.
We didn’t restructure Cooper’s contract, so Pitts is definitely an option now.
 

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We didn’t restructure Cooper’s contract, so Pitts is definitely an option now.
I don't see the connection b/w the two, can you elaborate?

If we are thinking of letting Cooper leave, we're insane. He's a top 5 WR in the league.
 

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I don't see the connection b/w the two, can you elaborate?

If we are thinking of letting Cooper leave, we're insane. He's a top 5 WR in the league.
I just posted a thread about this on Fan Zone. Gallup is on a contract year, and Cooper has a potential out in 2022. Going with Pitts, I just can't see us keeping Cooper and/or extending Gallup. I don't love the idea, but Pitts may push off someone if he were selected at #10.
 

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I just posted a thread about this on Fan Zone. Gallup is on a contract year, and Cooper has a potential out in 2022. Going with Pitts, I just can't see us keeping Cooper and/or extending Gallup. I don't love the idea, but Pitts may push off someone if he were selected at #10.
I'd rather keep what we have and go defense. Guess we will see.

Keeping Cooper is paramount. He's still getting better, he's only 26, and he's about to enter his prime.

I'd love to keep Gallup if it is possible as well. He always comes up with the play in the clutch.
 

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Gallup is as good as gone I would think.

This is why. Signing Dak means thinning the herd and WR Gallup is coming up on a deal. So the question will be, which one do you keep, and that might be dependent on what kind of deal you can work out with Gallup. However, they've just restructured Cooper so I'm guessing that this probably suggests he's here for the long term.

So now you are going to need another receiving option and the 10 pick projects value with Pitts. That's what's driving this. 100% right Catch.
 

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This is why. Signing Dak means thinning the herd and WR Gallup is coming up on a deal. So the question will be, which one do you keep, and that might be dependent on what kind of deal you can work out with Gallup. However, they've just restructured Cooper so I'm guessing that this probably suggests he's here for the long term.

So now you are going to need another receiving option and the 10 pick projects value with Pitts. That's what's driving this. 100% right Catch.
I don't think we've restructured Cooper.
 

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My thoughts too.

I know Evan Engram isn't the prospect Pitts is, but he's in the same mold. TE with WR athletics/mismatch galore.
Really hasn't blown anyone away yet.
TJ Hockenson was meh his rookie year. Better year 2, but I can't say he was BPA when taken.
Eric Ebron was a disappointment for the Lions and has bounced around
Eifert is the ultimate what if due to injuries.
Even Vernon Davis was a disappointment before Singletary shaped him up.

I rather go Slater over Pitts though if we are stuck between the two.
Difference between sports and Engram is that Pitts can actually catch the ball and hold onto it.
 

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Because talent and contracts factor in the draft...not just need.

If you draft Pitts, you could trade Gallup and gain draft capital or just let him walk in FA which is right around the corner. He’ll likely cost around 8 million / year at that time.
You could most likely get a 3rd round pick out of Gallup on draft day, if that's the route you want to take. A team would readily give it up. most likely, because they will probably get a 3rd round pick the following year if he leaves in free agency. The advantage to flipping Gallup now, if that's coming anyway (if we draft Pitts) it keeps our cost down at Gallup's position, going forward, and gets us a pick to use on the defense NOW.

We could use that pick on various defensive positions, or even move up with one of our thirds to go get someone in the second round if we want to do that. Might even be able to package our second rounder and that third to move back up into the first round.
 

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Oh, well if we haven't then maybe it's not cast in stone. I thought that we had restructured him but if not, thanks for correcting and for educating cbg.

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LOL you made me research on twitter! I had just made a thread about his contract not being restructured and felt like d'oh oh well.
 

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You’re not saying something most people aren’t. Everyone seems to think he will have a huge impact....but let’s also remember Calvin Johnson didn’t make it to the post season much. His fault? No. But it goes to show you that a Calvin Johnson means nothing without other pieces around him like a defense.
While that is true, would you pass on Calvin Johnson, even if you already had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss? I don't know about you, but I'm turning in the card with Calvin Johnson's name on it, if that's who I think he is going to be.
 

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One thing to consider with respect to the draft is that you are not just drafting for the next year. You are drafting for the next 4 to 5 years (hopefully more) in the 1st round. You have to take a longer term view. I think this is why guys like Slater and Pitts are VERY much in play at pick 10.
 

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Id trade down and let someone else get him. Its only 1 ball. Why would I need all 3 of them?
While that is true, would you pass on Calvin Johnson, even if you already had Jerry Rice and Randy Moss? I don't know about you, but I'm turning in the card with Calvin Johnson's name on it, if that's who I think he is going to be.
 
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