Successful teams are not afraid to be unconventional

[dsturgeon]

From your fingers to God's ears.. I think if they can stay healthy they will score 35 a game... The question is will it be enough or will the defense give up 36 a game..

question is, will the defense look different if the cowboys are playing with a lead. So, hopefully the cowboys score early

 

[Kingofholland]

Teams seem to want to copycat each other. QBs are an example of that. For so long teams only looked at the prototypical QB. Now that teams are willing to get a dual threat QB there are more high quality QBs in the league.

Teams seem to want to “pay their own” and overpay to keep good (not great players). That’s one way to do it, but it kills your salary cap.

For instance Dallas has been very successful drafting OL but not so good at selecting defenders. Dallas might have been better served by churning the OL (even with high round picks) and flipping them for picks, or other players.

Dallas has found a good player in Biadacz, but what if the Cowboys traded Biadacz for say a third round pick and drafted Creed Humphrey in the second. You get one more year of cheap labor and profit from the trade.

Tyrons contract was very team friendly and is even more so now. But Martin is/was the highest paid guard in the NFL. That’s a cap killer. If you could have flipped Martin for a first and a third prior to his massive contract extension would that have been a better deal? It may have hurt the OL a little but would the defense have more assets?

I see what you're saying, but outside of Jaylon The players they've recently signed to big contracts were more than just good players. Elliott and Lawrence were both considered some of thr top players at their position. It's hard to argue Dak being among the top 10 of a premium position. Yes he got overpaid relstively speaking, but in a couple years he'll probably be outaide the top 5 in total comp. We probably missed the boat trading Byron Jones knowing potential costs. He would likely have netted a 1st rounder.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Teams seem to want to copycat each other. QBs are an example of that. For so long teams only looked at the prototypical QB. Now that teams are willing to get a dual threat QB there are more high quality QBs in the league.

Teams seem to want to “pay their own” and overpay to keep good (not great players). That’s one way to do it, but it kills your salary cap.

For instance Dallas has been very successful drafting OL but not so good at selecting defenders. Dallas might have been better served by churning the OL (even with high round picks) and flipping them for picks, or other players.

Dallas has found a good player in Biadacz, but what if the Cowboys traded Biadacz for say a third round pick and drafted Creed Humphrey in the second. You get one more year of cheap labor and profit from the trade.

Tyrons contract was very team friendly and is even more so now. But Martin is/was the highest paid guard in the NFL. That’s a cap killer. If you could have flipped Martin for a first and a third prior to his massive contract extension would that have been a better deal? It may have hurt the OL a little but would the defense have more assets?

so what if humprey is not a good player? you just weakened a position of strength and wasted a draft pick.

the solution is not to flip for more offensive players....the solution is to figure out how to draft better defensively. I couldn't agree more. in 15 years, 44 defensive picks, we have one player of impact from the draft, namely Lawrence.....that's not good. until we fix the issue with defensive evaluation, flipping picks, etc. ain't solving the problem. its only band aiding it....

 

[dsturgeon]

Smarts is absolutely the most important component of a QB.. But give me a smart QB who CAN run over a smart QB who can't. It just gives me another asset to use against a defense. There is a long list of guys who came into the league as good, athletic QBs who could run out of trouble or for a first down if need be but did less of it as they got older and smarter.. However aside from getting injured, like Troy with his knee and back, these guys didn't stop being good athletes just because they got older and smarter.. Elway was a great example.. Dude was a phenomenal athlete (drafted by the Yankees? as an outfielder) who could take off and run his whole career.. but as he got older he almost never did.. the notable exception being the "helicopter" run in the Super Bowl. Steve Young was another.. Young had 4.3 speed as a youngster.. FOUR FRIGGIN THREE... who by his own admission couldn't hit the broad side of a barn when he came into the league, but as soon as he won a Super Bowl people started claiming he was a pocket passer.. It was hilarious. People who missed seeing young Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana also miss the boat on how athletic those guys were when they came into the league.. But then close your eyes and remember perhaps the most iconic plays in NFL history The Immaculate Reception and The Catch both were accomplished after the QB ran away from the rush and made an amazing throw.. Well in Bradshaw's case it should have been picked off but let's not revisit that..

I don't know if it is dak or the scheme, but if he can figure out the bailout to the rb play that Brady uses so often, and plays in the pocket, he can be the top qb in the league. Dak is smart and can read defense, he is built to take sacks or hits in the pocket and not get injured. And they should qb run more on 4th and 1 with dak

I wish he was a few inches taller, but besides that, I have no complaints. With these weapons he should be top of the league. He doesn't need to run much

 

[gjkoeppen]

Teams seem to want to copycat each other. QBs are an example of that. For so long teams only looked at the prototypical QB. Now that teams are willing to get a dual threat QB there are more high quality QBs in the league.

Teams seem to want to “pay their own” and overpay to keep good (not great players). That’s one way to do it, but it kills your salary cap.

For instance Dallas has been very successful drafting OL but not so good at selecting defenders. Dallas might have been better served by churning the OL (even with high round picks) and flipping them for picks, or other players.

Dallas has found a good player in Biadacz, but what if the Cowboys traded Biadacz for say a third round pick and drafted Creed Humphrey in the second. You get one more year of cheap labor and profit from the trade.

Tyrons contract was very team friendly and is even more so now. But Martin is/was the highest paid guard in the NFL. That’s a cap killer. If you could have flipped Martin for a first and a third prior to his massive contract extension would that have been a better deal? It may have hurt the OL a little but would the defense have more assets?

Typical Madden Football like thinking. Take strengths and trade them away so your left with a weaker unit but cheaper unit. What's really funny is first you say don't resign a teams own free agents of which right now Looney is not resigned and then you say trade Biadacz but then just who will play center? You need to THINK things out before commenting.

Your dual threat QB thing IS NOT new. There have been dual threat QB's going all the way back to Staubach. They been around a long time like Cunningam from the eagles to Vick for the falcons to RGIII for washington. Going back further Tarkington for the vickings.
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[LACowboysFan1]

The Immaculate Reception and The Catch both were accomplished after the QB ran away from the rush and made an amazing throw.

Yes but the Catch was a throwaway, that Clark somehow managed to catch, and if Walls hadn't admittedly "peeked" at Montana he's probably have been able to jump up and knock the ball away. Wasn't Montana's scramble that won it, he never intended to complete it...

 

[Reid1boys]

Teams seem to want to copycat each other. QBs are an example of that. For so long teams only looked at the prototypical QB. Now that teams are willing to get a dual threat QB there are more high quality QBs in the league.

Teams seem to want to “pay their own” and overpay to keep good (not great players). That’s one way to do it, but it kills your salary cap.

For instance Dallas has been very successful drafting OL but not so good at selecting defenders. Dallas might have been better served by churning the OL (even with high round picks) and flipping them for picks, or other players.

Dallas has found a good player in Biadacz, but what if the Cowboys traded Biadacz for say a third round pick and drafted Creed Humphrey in the second. You get one more year of cheap labor and profit from the trade.

Tyrons contract was very team friendly and is even more so now. But Martin is/was the highest paid guard in the NFL. That’s a cap killer. If you could have flipped Martin for a first and a third prior to his massive contract extension would that have been a better deal? It may have hurt the OL a little but would the defense have more assets?

Successful teams land a stud QB... then they get credit for all of the other stuff. Reid was always a very good coach.... until Mahomes arrived. Now he is the second coming of Vince Lombardi.
The greatest coach to ever breath... he forgot how to coach, I guess, This past year as his team sucked. Coincidence that Billy Boy sucked as soon as Brady left? I think not.

 

[JoeKing]

That strategy doesn’t work either when you sign your own guys and they suck. See Jaylon.

I get the philosophy, but it’s not working. It needs a shake up.

That's your uneducated opinion. It does work. Jaylon is a good LB that got messed up last season my Mike Nolan's complicated system that did not get installed correctly due to the pandemic.

 

[Aven8]

That's your uneducated opinion. It does work. Jaylon is a good LB that got messed up last season my Mike Nolan's complicated system that did not get installed correctly due to the pandemic.

Jaylon is a good LB? Lol

 

[JoeKing]

Jaylon is a good LB? Lol

One of the top tacklers in the league.

2020 NFL tackles stats - Players | NFL.com

 

[Aven8]

One of the top tacklers in the league.

2020 NFL tackles stats - Players | NFL.com

You know the stat TFL? He leads the league in TFG.

 

[CyberB0b]

Teams seem to want to copycat each other. QBs are an example of that. For so long teams only looked at the prototypical QB. Now that teams are willing to get a dual threat QB there are more high quality QBs in the league.

Teams seem to want to “pay their own” and overpay to keep good (not great players). That’s one way to do it, but it kills your salary cap.

For instance Dallas has been very successful drafting OL but not so good at selecting defenders. Dallas might have been better served by churning the OL (even with high round picks) and flipping them for picks, or other players.

Dallas has found a good player in Biadacz, but what if the Cowboys traded Biadacz for say a third round pick and drafted Creed Humphrey in the second. You get one more year of cheap labor and profit from the trade.

Tyrons contract was very team friendly and is even more so now. But Martin is/was the highest paid guard in the NFL. That’s a cap killer. If you could have flipped Martin for a first and a third prior to his massive contract extension would that have been a better deal? It may have hurt the OL a little but would the defense have more assets?

No one is giving up a third for Biadacz.

 

[JoeKing]

You know the stat TFL? He leads the league in TFG.

If you can't provide a link proving what you say(as I did), your argument is invalidated and will just be ignored.

 

[Aven8]

If you can't provide a link proving what you say(as I did), your argument is invalidated and will just be ignored.

Tackles for gain. And my stats are my eyes. Nothing has changed since the first time he played. The play goes this way and he runs the other way. Even if Jaylon was making the vet minimum it still wouldn’t matter to me. He sucks at football.

 

[JoeKing]

Tackles for gain. And my stats are my eyes. Nothing has changed since the first time he played. The play goes this way and he runs the other way. Even if Jaylon was making the vet minimum it still wouldn’t matter to me. He sucks at football.

Again, your uneducated opinion.

 

[Verdict]

No one is giving up a third for Biadacz.

That’s merely an example.

 

[Verdict]

Typical Madden Football like thinking. Take strengths and trade them away so your left with a weaker unit but cheaper unit. What's really funny is first you say don't resign a teams own free agents of which right now Looney is not resigned and then you say trade Biadacz but then just who will play center? You need to THINK things out before commenting.

Your dual threat QB thing IS NOT new. There have been dual threat QB's going all the way back to Staubach. They been around a long time like Cunningam from the eagles to Vick for the falcons to RGIII for washington. Going back further Tarkington for the vickings.
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You are being too literal. I am talking more about a concept than a specific instance

 

[Trajan]

Confident teams are not afraid to be unconventional. Nothing about Jerry & Stephen's performance for 20+ years breeds confidence.

The result is they stick with what they know - "their guys" and trying to recreate the 90s Cowboys.

This. Big O-line, great RB, great QB, and great QB. Smaller defense, get up a few scores on the team, make them pass, then we rush the passer. Sadly, you will never replicate the triplets no matter how much Jerry pays. Also, this defense isn't in the same time zone as the 90's Cowboys team.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

OK FAN Keyboard Experts..ahh the Fake wannbegms are out with claws out..use a fan page to just spew team hate..got to luv this place..

best advice i can give to fans

be fans, stay in your freaking lanes... you may FEEL like you can do this better then the Jonses, newsflash , you CAN NOT!!

Ummmmmm, Isn't the point of a forum to have discussions related to the team? None of the things we talk about here matter at all, but it is still a fun way to pass the offseason. Chill out with your red size 30 font big guy .

 

[RonnieT24]

The problem is that the qb's who are smart and can run rely on running run too much. I think they need to be dominant in the pocket. When the qb is good at running, he never learns that maneuvering in the pocket, and finding the receiver while staying in the pocket. He falls back on running and leaves the pocket.

When you take into consideration paying the qb, what you give up getting the qb, and all of that, I don't think the extra dynamic of running is worth it. Time will tell though

Mahomes is already getting beat up, Lamar wont last with what he is doing, Dak will think twice about trying to level people.

I will take a smart qb who can work the pocket to a smart qb who can run.

I hope dak stays in the pocket and takes sacks, he has the weapons, he doesnt need to do more. Can run every once in awhile

This is a false absolute. There are dozens of examples of guys who were good runners early in their careers who learned to play better from the pocket as they got older. Elway, Young, Gannon, Do you remember Theisman returning punts early in his career. Aaron Rodgers was one of the best athletes ever to play the position.. Russell Wilson is still a great athlete. Both are among the smartest players in the game. I just wish people would quit acting as if being a good athlete makes a QB dumb. It's a stupid narrative that needs to die. The fact of the matter is nearly all QBs run too much when they first come into the league because NFL defenses confuse the hell out of them and they would rather run for a few yards than risk throwing a pick six to the linebacker lurking just out his line of sight. As they progress in the league the game slows down, they see the field better and they run less. It's not rocket surgery.. However having that ability to go get a first down at any point in the game is a nice weapon to have in your back pocket.