BYU DT Tonga

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I love this guy on day 3. I like him better than quite a few guys labeled day 2. Size, arm length, natural bend and flexibility, body control, strength, burst, year to year improvement, awareness, and finish are all there.

 

[Future]

I love this guy on day 3. I like him better than quite a few guys labeled day 2. Size, arm length, natural bend and flexibility, body control, strength, burst, year to year improvement, awareness, and finish are all there.

Think you're overrating him.

I don't mind him in the 5th, 6th, whatever. But he's a guy you draft and just hope he turns into a rotational player. No real athletic upside.

 

[Nemesis4u]

Think you're overrating him.

I don't mind him in the 5th, 6th, whatever. But he's a guy you draft and just hope he turns into a rotational player. No real athletic upside.

another negative post by future who would have known.

 

[Future]

another negative post by future who would have known.

You going to cry?

It's not negative, it's just discussion on a player. The ignore button isn't hard to find, by the way.

 

[exciter]

another negative post by future who would have known.

It’s not negative if it’s true!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He also just came back from his religious mission which means he’s 33-34 years old.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Think you're overrating him.

I don't mind him in the 5th, 6th, whatever. But he's a guy you draft and just hope he turns into a rotational player. No real athletic upside.

I think you don't know what day 3 means.

40 times don't matter and if you cannot see the burst and power you are blind. Strength and quickness are athletic traits.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He also just came back from his religious mission which means he’s 33-34 years old.

He started his mission when he was 16 and they only last 2 years.

 

[Future]

I think you don't know what day 3 means.

40 times don't matter and if you cannot see the burst and power you are blind. Strength and quickness are athletic traits.

You are exaggerating those two things for him, is my point. They're very average.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I love this guy on day 3. I like him better than quite a few guys labeled day 2. Size, arm length, natural bend and flexibility, body control, strength, burst, year to year improvement, awareness, and finish are all there.

He's a beast.

 

[calicowboy54]

I love this guy on day 3. I like him better than quite a few guys labeled day 2. Size, arm length, natural bend and flexibility, body control, strength, burst, year to year improvement, awareness, and finish are all there.

All said and done i think in 3 years this guy is going to be one of the better DT in the league.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are exaggerating those two things for him, is my point. They're very average.

I think you compare him to guys 40 pounds lighter like Onwuzurike to come up with your average. Agility and speed in football are best evaluated as a ratio.

His 40 times will suck but I bet his jumps cone and shuttle rank above average amongst 330 lbers.

What is elite is his size, strength, flexibility, body control, and how low cut he is despite being 6'4". He will often be the most massive man on the field.

He needs work with his technique but in the 4th or 5th I think he would be excellent value.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He started his mission when he was 16 and they only last 2 years.

Thanks for taking the bait.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thanks for taking the bait.

Thanks for being facile and boring.

 

[J-man]

He's on my late rd radar for sure. Dude seems like he can be a good rotational piece inside.

 

[Future]

I think you compare him to guys 40 pounds lighter like Onwuzurike to come up with your average.

His 40 times will suck but I bet his jumps cone and shuttle rank above average amongst 330 lbers.

What is elite is his size, strength, flexibility, body control, and how low cut he is despite being 6'4". He will often be the most massive man on the field.

He needs work with his technique but in the 4th or 5th I think he would be excellent value.

No they're not. If a guy is slow but faster than the fat guys, he's still slow.

I don't care where he ranks among 330 lbers. There's like 5 of those guys in the NFL. He also plays at 320, not 330. He's not nearly the athlete of, say, Da'Ron Payne.

Tonga's a standard 5th round pick, there's nothing spectacular about him as an athlete, especially given his age because there's no real development to come. He's just a standard 1T plug.

 

[McKDaddy]

He's just a standard 1T plug.

not trying to get in ya'lls argument but if he can hold the point of attack do we really care about the other stuff? especially if you are talking day 3?

 

[Future]

not trying to get in ya'lls argument but if he can hold the point of attack do we really care about the other stuff? especially if you are talking day 3?

Well if we're talking about upside yes.

 

[McKDaddy]

Well if we're talking about upside yes.

but that is my point. when you get into day 3 no one really knows where to rank guys. its very subjective from evaluator to evaluator. if you feel he's worth drafting when you are on the clock, draft him without upside consideration. if he makes the team & is a contributor, you have done well. anything else is gravy.
for this team, just being an obstacle the other team has to go around would be a tremendous pick.

 

[Future]

but that is my point. when you get into day 3 no one really knows where to rank guys. its very subjective from evaluator to evaluator. if you feel he's worth drafting when you are on the clock, draft him without upside consideration. if he makes the team & is a contributor, you have done well. anything else is gravy.
for this team, just being an obstacle the other team has to go around would be a tremendous pick.

Well drafting him "without upside consideration" is basically what the debate here is...I already said I'm "whatever" about it, but just saying that it's all the pick would be.