25 years of frustration "I get it" But

[tunahelper]

At the end of the day, the failures of this franchise are largely tied to decisions that have been made by Jerry. He hires the coaches. He picks the players. He decides the offseason strategy.

Sure, we can blame Dak for this or Jaylon Smith for that or Lawrence for this or Woods for that. But in the end, Jerry is the one who sees this, decides how to fix it and despite the mounting evidence that his "plan" just isn't working, he continues to follow the failed plan.

JJ constantly reminds everyone he makes the final decisions, so this should not surprise anyone.

 

[fivetwos]

this current group is not a likeable group but i do think they want to win.I played football and losing sucks I cant imagine if they are competitors they are ok with losing

Fair enough, but I see it as being a secondary type desire.

They say a team takes on the personality of its coach, and in Dallas that may as well be Jerry.

Of course we wants to win, but its definitely secondary to doing it his way....with him in charge. If it means giving that up in order to do it....its not gonna happen.

The players are generally content with their local celebrity status, cushy environment and large paychecks.

Winning falls in somewhere behind.

Waaaay too many times in a big game the other team is more hungry for victory than Dallas.

 

[Sydla]

No its just not simplistic. I blame jerry for alot mostly the culture but J Geezy played a role as did some of the other coahes and certainly i think the players have failed at times too. Sure Jerry could go out and spend a bunch on players but ultimately they have to be put in the best system to win and they need to be held accountable for bad execution

I dont think jerry is telling the coaches dont get on my players but if you need a single scapegoat jerry is a good one because hes definitely part of the problem

If the players fail, who picked those players? Who put that roster together that failed? When Carlos Watkins is the big signing at DT and he doesn't help our inability to stop the run, whose fault is that? You'll want to blame Watkins for not playing better but in reality the real problem is Jerry picked a guy that wasn't all that good. When Trysten Hill doesn't pan out, is Jerry free from blame here because Hill just didn't develop? Or did Jerry make a mistake in their evaluation of Hill?

It seems you take the position that once Jerry puts the team together, it's a fine collection of talent and therefore any lack of production on the field is due to players not trying hard or playing smart or getting good coaching.

That's utterly ridiculous.

 

[starfan1]

But you seem to have an issue.

Jerry isn't "part" of the problem as if he's 25%, bad luck is 25%, this coach is 25% and that player is the other 25%.

Jerry controls every aspect of the team. He has more influence on how this team performs than any sole person associated with the Cowboys. He picks the players. He picks the coaches. If the coach isn't good enough, that's on Jerry for hiring him. If a player isn't good enough, that's on Jerry. You seemingly struggle to admit that by far the largest reason this franchise struggles is the GM.

so if a player is just ok here and goes somewhere else and excels is that jerrys fault then? Sure its jerrys fault for letting them go right? Im not an apologist for jerry by no means and have done my share of blasting him as he deserves it. I just am not one to put the entirety of it on him. I dont think 25 years of no playoff success is all because of jerry's lackadaisical or cap watching approach to FA is the problem.

hell i heard a good chunk of the offseason last year that dak was the reason. But now its jerry for drafting dak by your example and jerry for letting byron jones walk and jerry for paying zeke and dlaw and Smith. And while it is some of that jerry dont make dak throw a pick or Jerry dont have Zeke put the ball on the carpet or have dLaw disappear or jaylon do a swipe 10 yards down field.

I enjoyed the discussion I don't think were going to get to consensus

 

[Sydla]

It may be the that simple --- JJ is the only common thread in these past 25 years of futility. And the Patriots won 6 Super Bowls with a league system designed to keep teams from staying on top. It is rather depressing.

Bingo. We've churned through hundreds of players and multiple coaches over the last 25 years of futility.

But there has been one very clear constant.

 

[starfan1]

It may be the that simple --- JJ is the only common thread in these past 25 years of futility. And the Patriots won 6 Super Bowls with a league system designed to keep teams from staying on top. It is rather depressing.[/QUOTE]

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It is depressing but having the GOAT at QB and the GOAT at HC doesnt hurt the process. Yes Kraft is so much better than jerry he has a GM and stays in background (except when he gets a massage) and that I think is Jerrys biggest problem

 

[JoeKing]

Of course @starfan1, I had just brought up one example. But the examples are endless.
Bill Parcells with the Giants, then the Patriots, then the Jets and even to some extent the Cowboys. I didnt always agree with Parcells when he came to Dallas as I felt he was too conservative but he had a culture of winning and accountability that was missing since Jimmy left.
Jimmy Johnson came in 89 and saw the Cowboys had zero talent, the old regime just totally let this team decay away. He came in and cleaned house there were just a few guys on the 92 SB that were on the old team. Newton, Tunei, Irvin, Jeffcoat, I am sure a few others but the team was turned over.
Think about this he performed a rebuild to SB champion in 4 seasons...Man I got on tangents but this for guys like @Rockport & @JoeKing who are always disagreeing with me.
Even if we had tanked this year and decided to reset within 2 years you have a new team. Rebuilds do not take long in the NFL. You have to have the cahunas to do it. Have a vision.
Culture eats strategy for breakfast... Yes its a cliche but it is true.
Bill in NE has a culture, Parcells had a culture, Andy, Jimmy Johnson, The Steelers, Ravens, all great organizations start at the top and constantly try to improve their team.
There is no one way to do it.
What the Jones have done to the Cowboys is despicable, it is laughable, the only reason they don't have fans with bags on their heads is the 3 SB's that Jerry got because of Jimmy. Yes he hired him I get it... He does get credit for that. Jerry is not like the Bidwells, or the Brown family... The truth of the matter is... (most important). Super Bowl wins don't mean anything to him. He has three. He is a HOF owner, most valuable franchise. He just wants to keep this jig going. Just float down the river and make sure his team is in the conversation. All publicity is good. The Fact that Stephen A loves to see is lose is music to Jerry's ears. The Cowboys are still relevant in the media. He wants to go between 7-9 & 9-7....
I as a fan have already realized this years ago. Even though I know this it still burns me up.
But the fact that so many fans don't realize this and I get attacked and recently got banned for day with some blueblood character just blows my mind.
This team and organization is just stuck.. 26 years and no championship game appearance. Buckle down for another 10... it is not happening until the ownership realizes a change is required.

I disagree and I'm pretty sure @Rockport does too.

 

[starfan1]

I guess right now in the midst of another uneventful FA approach isnt the best time to rationally discuss why we have failed for 25 years. My bad! Mods feel free to move this elsewhere until the season begins. the anger in fans is too fresh

 

[dckid]

I disagree and I'm pretty sure @Rockport does too.

hahaha Of course you do.

 

[CouchCoach]

Harping on the 25 years really makes it worse than it's been. They've won the East 7 times in that span.

They haven't been to the NFCCG in that span but they have had some good seasons.

Comparing the last 25 years to what they used to be is a waste of time.

Do you think you are owed something? I don't care if you've had season tickets for all 25 years, you are owed nothing.

What is it that makes Cowboys fans think they have to be different than Browns or Lions fans?

To sell yourself that this season will be different when the same people are in charge is ludicrous. These people are going to own this team for your lifetime, the sooner you accept what was will not be again and this is what it is, the better off you'll be and forget this 25 years nonsense.

 

[Sydla]

so if a player is just ok here and goes somewhere else and excels is that jerrys fault then? Sure its jerrys fault for letting them go right? Im not an apologist for jerry by no means and have done my share of blasting him as he deserves it. I just am not one to put the entirety of it on him. I dont think 25 years of no playoff success is all because of jerry's lackadaisical or cap watching approach to FA is the problem.

hell i heard a good chunk of the offseason last year that dak was the reason. But now its jerry for drafting dak by your example and jerry for letting byron jones walk and jerry for paying zeke and dlaw and Smith. And while it is some of that jerry dont make dak throw a pick or Jerry dont have Zeke put the ball on the carpet or have dLaw disappear or jaylon do a swipe 10 yards down field.

I enjoyed the discussion I don't think were going to get to consensus

Very simple question.

On any team, who has the responsibility for building a roster and then hiring a coach to get the most out of that roster? It stands to reason that guy has the largest effect on the direction of the team. So who is that person?

 

[erod]

Harping on the 25 years really makes it worse than it's been. They've won the East 7 times in that span.

That requires beating 3 teams. Only 2 when you consider the Commanders have been garbage for decades.

Truly elite franchises don't give two craps about winning a division.

The Cowboys never did back in the day.

 

[75boyz]

Of course @starfan1, I had just brought up one example. But the examples are endless.
Bill Parcells with the Giants, then the Patriots, then the Jets and even to some extent the Cowboys. I didnt always agree with Parcells when he came to Dallas as I felt he was too conservative but he had a culture of winning and accountability that was missing since Jimmy left.
Jimmy Johnson came in 89 and saw the Cowboys had zero talent, the old regime just totally let this team decay away. He came in and cleaned house there were just a few guys on the 92 SB that were on the old team. Newton, Tunei, Irvin, Jeffcoat, I am sure a few others but the team was turned over.
Think about this he performed a rebuild to SB champion in 4 seasons...Man I got on tangents but this for guys like @Rockport & @JoeKing who are always disagreeing with me.
Even if we had tanked this year and decided to reset within 2 years you have a new team. Rebuilds do not take long in the NFL. You have to have the cahunas to do it. Have a vision.
Culture eats strategy for breakfast... Yes its a cliche but it is true.
Bill in NE has a culture, Parcells had a culture, Andy, Jimmy Johnson, The Steelers, Ravens, all great organizations start at the top and constantly try to improve their team.
There is no one way to do it.
What the Jones have done to the Cowboys is despicable, it is laughable, the only reason they don't have fans with bags on their heads is the 3 SB's that Jerry got because of Jimmy. Yes he hired him I get it... He does get credit for that. Jerry is not like the Bidwells, or the Brown family... The truth of the matter is... (most important). Super Bowl wins don't mean anything to him. He has three. He is a HOF owner, most valuable franchise. He just wants to keep this jig going. Just float down the river and make sure his team is in the conversation. All publicity is good. The Fact that Stephen A loves to see is lose is music to Jerry's ears. The Cowboys are still relevant in the media. He wants to go between 7-9 & 9-7....
I as a fan have already realized this years ago. Even though I know this it still burns me up.
But the fact that so many fans don't realize this and I get attacked and recently got banned for day with some blueblood character just blows my mind.
This team and organization is just stuck.. 26 years and no championship game appearance. Buckle down for another 10... it is not happening until the ownership realizes a change is required.

Nice. Agree with every single word of it. Well done.

 

[75boyz]

Harping on the 25 years really makes it worse than it's been. They've won the East 7 times in that span.

They haven't been to the NFCCG in that span but they have had some good seasons.

Comparing the last 25 years to what they used to be is a waste of time.

Do you think you are owed something? I don't care if you've had season tickets for all 25 years, you are owed nothing.

What is it that makes Cowboys fans think they have to be different than Browns or Lions fans?

To sell yourself that this season will be different when the same people are in charge is ludicrous. These people are going to own this team for your lifetime, the sooner you accept what was will not be again and this is what it is, the better off you'll be and forget this 25 years nonsense.

The more that things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[cowboyblue22]

as long as idiot dad and son own the team this is what it will be was hoping maybe the daughter would maybe take over i think she would at least hire a real gm to run the team

 

[dckid]

Nice. Agree with every single word of it. Well done.

Thanks sir.
I guess we can only hope for someone in the organization to see the error of their ways. I was really hoping last year was the fork in the road but the meaningless 6 wins did us in.
Having a top 5 pick this year would have allowed for a high impact player and or a QB, as there will be a run on QB's this year. The not so secret is an inexpensive QB, and now we have the most expensive in the league.

Let's keep the good fight going.

 

[CouchCoach]

That requires beating 3 teams. Only 2 when you consider the Commanders have been garbage for decades.

Truly elite franchises don't give two craps about winning a division.

The Cowboys never did back in the day.

Since when has this been am elite franchise on the field?

erod, the day is gone and will not return soon.

 

[CouchCoach]

as long as idiot dad and son own the team this is what it will be was hoping maybe the daughter would maybe take over i think she would at least hire a real gm to run the team

At least when she remarked about how a player looked in the shower, it would be more interesting.

 

[Grenic]

Harping on the 25 years really makes it worse than it's been. They've won the East 7 times in that span.

They haven't been to the NFCCG in that span but they have had some good seasons.

Comparing the last 25 years to what they used to be is a waste of time.

Do you think you are owed something? I don't care if you've had season tickets for all 25 years, you are owed nothing.

What is it that makes Cowboys fans think they have to be different than Browns or Lions fans?

To sell yourself that this season will be different when the same people are in charge is ludicrous. These people are going to own this team for your lifetime, the sooner you accept what was will not be again and this is what it is, the better off you'll be and forget this 25 years nonsense.

This is such a pathetic way to think, let's all just accept this team as it is. I'm glad I grew up when being a Dallas Cowboy meant something other than being average at best

 

[Grenic]

Nice. Agree with every single word of it. Well done.

1000% agree