Thoughts opinions of the 3 DL Signings this week

[Killerinstinct]

Basham - If replacing Armstrong - upgrade, If replacing Aldon - downgrade : I bet we draft another
Watkins - This one I don't get- Quinn must see something
Urban - The best of the three and definite upgrade over Crawford - I think he plays RDE on short yardage and rotates at DT

 

[BourbonBalz]

These are the usual place filler slop signings this FO does every year to justify what they did

total garbage

we need 2 starting DTs

Disagree. We need a starting 1T (which I think/hope we get in the draft). I think Gallimore is going to be good at the 3T. Time will tell.

 

[RS12]

Meh. Whether this years DL draft class is weak or not I would rather have drafted a couple on the cheap and hoped for the best than bring in a bunch of non difference makers where the opposite is needed. But ole Jerry prefers to spend his cap money on the other side of the ball. He will never learn. If you can't stop the run you don't win games. Scheme alone will not fix that.

 

[Cowboyny]

I can't help but think we might see Basham as a Leo. Of course, Gregory could also be used in that role.

"Really, the thing you're looking for at that (Leo) position is speed and length," Quinn said. "Length doesn't necessarily mean that you're 6-foot-6, but you do have long arms, you can separate, and as a pass rusher, you want to have enough length that a guy doesn't engulf you.."

I agree on both Watkins and Urban, both could be seen as left ends in run packages.

Think they wanted more of a veteran backing up the DE's. Last staff loved Armstrong, but he has shown to be JAG.

 

[Cowboyny]

I like Urban and Basham. I don’t know much about Watkins other than what I’ve heard (was a 4th rounder from Clemson who played out of place in this league). I am excited to see Gregory and Laurence. It would be nice if we could get some push up the middle and also some DT’s to help our linebackers stop the run.

I think the players signed are more run defenders to help that area of weakness.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Signing quality depth- good

Signing quality depth without having quality starters- not so good

Which has been the standard operating procedure the last several years.

It makes me think this FO thinks they are "set" at starters.

Signing 3 depth players for the defensive line is a good thing.

Having inferior starters at DT and Safety forever is not so good.

 

[Cowboyny]

Been meaning to ask where you think Jerry's buddy Armstrong may fit within the Quinn scheme.

I think he factors in at the Leo spot. Believe it was Nolan and his staff who loved Armstrong, there were some rumblings that Jerry ask why he was getting more snaps then Gregory. The DL Coach was fired with Nolan.

 

[Cowboyny]

This team needed a soild run stopper or three on the DL, and Urban is a good fit for Quinn's 4Tech position...6-7 300...that's what I'm talking about.

Dorance Armstrong was the #3 Edge Rusher before Basham was signed, so DE was a major need and they, at least, got decent player.

I liked Watkins coming out of Clemson, and I hope he is better than the last Texan DL to come through.

I feel you got an upgrade of TyCraw, over Armstrong, and took a chance on a guy who can play 4T, 1T or 3T. However, I won't feel good about what they've done until a legit NT is in the building.

I agree, still believe a NT is coming either via fa or the draft. Think both Urban/Watkins fit Quinn's scheme, they will be more base defenders stopping the run. Basham adds competition to the DE, if they are unable to address it via the draft. Actually like his cousin a lot from Wake Forest.

 

[Cowboyny]

Before Bennett/Avril came to the Seahawks (both are actually similar to Tank/Gregory), this is how their line looked:

Red Bryant (LE)
Tony McDaniel (3T)
Brandon Mebane (1T)
Chris Clemons (RE)

Outside of Clemons, the other three were more run defenders.

 

[buybuydandavis]

They provide better depth than we had last season without moving the needle as starters, really. If the Cowboys are going back to a frequent DL rotation, these guys will pay dividends.

DLaw was paid 20mil for 60% snaps.

If we're going to rotate dline a lot, we need to pay them accordingly, both uproster and downroster.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I agree, still believe a NT is coming either via fa or the draft. Think both Urban/Watkins fit Quinn's scheme, they will be more base defenders stopping the run. Basham adds competition to the DE, if they are unable to address it via the draft. Actually like his cousin a lot from Wake Forest.

I'm not a big draft guy, but seemed like a lot of quality 1Ts available this year, but not so much 3Ts. Signing Poe to a multiyear contract showed a change in philosophy at 1T.

Maybe we finally draft a quality 1T instead of 3T. Fits better with what's available in the draft and already available on the team with Gallimore, Hill, and maybe McCoy.

 

[Verdict]

no they still need a LB, CB, S and well still a future DL but the DL being weak in this years Draft is why they got 3 DL so far....

no way they take offense at 10 they would trade down 3-4 spots before they do that and still get a corner and S or LB because of the trade..

At least 50/50 you will be disappointed in round 1.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Carrying this logic then wouldn't it make sense to have really, really good starters that can give great play than to just build a DT rotation of situational and back up type DTs, which we seem to be doing?

The talk seems to be that we're picking up role players that aren't valued much in most schemes, but fit the new scheme. A defense that *effectively* uses types of players that other teams don't want is a way to build a good defense that doesn't cost as much.

You can get a better result with players who aren't as good *overall* by finding limited roles for them where they are better than the overall better players.

You should only *pay* for *really really good* starters if you're going to *play* them for a lot of snaps. DLaw only got 60% snaps.

This looks like an actual *defensive philosophy* of building the best team under cap constraints than simply "find us the best players and we'll use them". I kinda like it.

 

[coult44]

Watkins-I believe he fills that 4T LE role in our base defense. This spot in Quinn's scheme is more like a 3-4 DE that anchors and holds up multiple blockers. He certainly can play a little 1T in a pinch as well.

Urban-another 3-4 Defensive Lineman who has starting experience. Think he fills that Tyrone Crawford Role. Can play inside/outside, known more as a high motor run defender.

Basham-might be the Aldon Smith replacement and an upgrade over Armstrong as the #3 DE. Many think he was not used correctly as a stand up Edge rusher, where he is better suited as a down pass rusher. More of an upside pick.

These are more role player, rotational types that improve our depth. Behind the starters, we either have young prospects or undrafted fa's. These moves were necessary and could make a difference in the long run.

Repeat from 2020 all over again. Perhaps a little worse if that’s possible

 

[buybuydandavis]

Disagree. We need a starting 1T (which I think/hope we get in the draft). I think Gallimore is going to be good at the 3T. Time will tell.

I like Gallimore as a passing down 1T. He fits 1T better than 3T. Doesn't have the length and agility for 3T, but has the power, leverage, and burst for 1T.

I expect us to get a tree stump run stuffing 1T too, but with nickel so prevalent, and Gallimore likely just better, the tree stump will get fewer snaps.

With the guys we signed last year, McCoy 3T and Gallimore 1T make our best starting pair. I expect McCoy back.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Repeat from 2020 all over again. Perhaps a little worse if that’s possible

New DC. Addition by subtraction.

 

[blueblood70]

At least 50/50 you will be disappointed in round 1.

nah im not a pessimist and for sure not in the offseason when the coaches and scouts are trying to grab ingredients to cook the meal..im fan of Chopped, sometimes a crazy mix of ingredients that on their own dont look like much but as meal they are gourmet..

so given how early it is in the offseason, ill let them do their jobs and see how it turns out..

now 5 games in we will stat to see what this team will be or not be, thats when ill start being more critical or disappointed as they say...

 

[cowboyec]

i like watkins and ueban.
very athletic for their size.
but im really excited about basham.
young.
athletic.
versatility.
just scratching the surface.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Watkins-I believe he fills that 4T LE role in our base defense. This spot in Quinn's scheme is more like a 3-4 DE that anchors and holds up multiple blockers. He certainly can play a little 1T in a pinch as well.

Urban-another 3-4 Defensive Lineman who has starting experience. Think he fills that Tyrone Crawford Role. Can play inside/outside, known more as a high motor run defender.

Basham-might be the Aldon Smith replacement and an upgrade over Armstrong as the #3 DE. Many think he was not used correctly as a stand up Edge rusher, where he is better suited as a down pass rusher. More of an upside pick.

These are more role player, rotational types that improve our depth. Behind the starters, we either have young prospects or undrafted fa's. These moves were necessary and could make a difference in the long run.

Urban is better than any starting DT we had last year. But he still isnt a high end starter. He is stout against the run. Watkins is garbage. Basham is a rotation guy gamble.

 

[JoeKing]

Are we supposed to be impressed? They aren't starters.