News: PFT: Should the Cowboys have let Dak Prescott hit the open market?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Again, another tangent that does not follow any claim I have made.

• Wanting to impose strict regulations on the league --I never mentioned this
  
• Complaining about how the league is set up and what the players and owners have agreed--nope, words in my mouth. In fact, this is what you are doing as collusion is already disallowed by the CBA.

All I said was if teams try to collectively limit QB pay that is collusion. Here is the actual language form the CBA:

"No Club, its employees or agents shall enter into any agreement, express or implied, with the NFL or any other Club, its employees or agents to restrict or limit individual Club decision-making ... "

But you did mention collusion. Where did I ever bring that up? How does this street only run one way? It's your baby, you own it.

I never mentioned strict regulations on the league either. Show me where that happened and then stop complaining about it because all of this is a creation in your mind. I never took us down this road Denim, you did.

 

[atlantacowboy]

QBs are being paid what the market is valuing them at. What you are wanting is collusion. Teams are free to take the market value or release the player. There is no compulsion for a team to pay anything over what their internal limits are.

Market value is a matter of opinion. Which metric do you use? Obviously, winning wasn't part of the metric Dallas used to evaluate Dak. He's 9-11 over the last 2 seasons and Dallas hasn't come close to a super bowl in his 5 years under center. Another team might look at that and the fact he's been working with an offense loaded at WR and RB and conclude he won't do any better in their uniform. He's no Brady or Mahomes.......but he is being paid like it.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

If Dallas didn't tag him they would have lost what little leverage they had remaining.

If they DID tag him non exclusive, they would have to live with matching the short term deal Washington would have offered in the first hour....and they would have had zero cap flexibility along the way.

Anyone who thinks Washington wouldn't have done that figuring they won either way isn't paying much attention.

Maybe the market is soft for other positions, but not for a QB like Prescott, regardless of what anyone around here may think of him.

Commanders are offering a haul for Watson.... even AFTER the allegations


They would take Dak that would cost no picks or drama and GLADLY pay that 40m per price tag. Him and Watson are similar in talents/stats. (I think watson has more upside though)

 

[atlantacowboy]

Yes! You non exclusive tag him to see what other teams offer. Not having any bids from opposition was a dumb move by management. You don't let his agent set the price. You let the league set his price. I guarantee you, we could have signed him for less.

He might have walked on principle had we done that........ with "respect" being of uber importance in todays game.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

Market value is a matter of opinion. Which metric do you use? Obviously, winning wasn't part of the metric Dallas used to evaluate Dak. He's 9-11 over the last 2 seasons and Dallas hasn't come close to a super bowl in his 5 years under center. Another team might look at that and the fact he's been working with an offense loaded at WR and RB and conclude he won't do any better in their uniform. He's no Brady or Mahomes.......but he is being paid like it.

Wrong bro.

quarterbacks are graded on stats. If you can throw 30+ touchdowns and nearly 5,000 yards you will have a market.


Teddy Bridgewater in his best season threw 14 Touchdowns and 9 Interceptions and got 21 million a year

 

[Denim Chicken]

It's a negotiation, if you don't want to sign a deal, don't sign. It's really as simple as that.

Exactly my point, yet somehow you seem to forget you are the one who starting talking about a war with QBs vs teams in contracting, as in a collective effort.

Teams can individually pay the market price or walk away. If all teams refuse, then the market will drop. But I believe there is little chance of that happening.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Wrong bro.

quarterbacks are graded on stats. If you can throw 30+ touchdowns and nearly 5,000 yards you will have a market.


Teddy Bridgewater in his best season threw 14 Touchdowns and 9 Interceptions and got 21 million a year

Dak has hit the 30TD mark only once and never cleared 5k. He rarely beats anyone good especially on the road. We are screwed. Believe what you want and we'll see ya here next year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The last QB contract, for franchise Qbs, is used as a base level of comparison--I will give you that.

However, the market is continually rising for these contracts. You cannot argue with this fact. So unless somehow a team and a franchise QB buck the trend and agree on a contract that is significantly less than the last one (fat chance) and then other teams follow suit independently (without internal agreement; and again, fat chance), & no team gives exceptions, you will continue to see the same trend in the rise of QB contracts.

I understand you do not like it, but it is the reality of the situation.

Based on what? Where is that written? You are not very good at this, at all. Where in the CBA or any agreement between players and League is this written? LOL......


"You cannot argue with this fact!"

Really, just watch me. Funny thing about realities. They are basically illusions. They are the reality until they aren't. The reality was once thought of as the earth was flat. Today, not so much. Man can not fly. At one point, that was reality but not so much anymore. Covid can't be spread, that was reality at one point. What do you think the reality is today?

Don't talk to me about what can and can not be argued. That is your reality, it is not the reality.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Exactly my point, yet somehow you seem to forget you are the one who starting talking about a war with QBs vs teams in contracting, as in a collective effort.

Teams can individually pay the market price or walk away. If all teams refuse, then the market will drop. But I believe there is little chance of that happening.

Show me. Show me where this happened. Your gonna die tired on this one Denim. This was all you and we are going to show this implicitly.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

Dak has hit the 30TD mark only once and never cleared 5k. He rarely beats anyone good especially on the road. We are screwed. Believe what you want and we'll see ya here next year.

He hit 30TDs last season and was on pace for 40+ this season. The discussion I believe originally about if there was a market for him. He was ranked the #1 free agent by NFL.com. So I’m going to assume they may know a little about why they ranked him there.


As for whether he beats good teams what exactly is your qualifier?

Of all active quarterbacks in the league

brady
Mahomes
Jackson
Rodgers

are the only 4 quarterbacks with a higher winning percentage against .500+ teams than him

 

[Denim Chicken]

Based on what? Where is that written? You are not very good at this, at all. Where in the CBA or any agreement between players and League is this written? LOL......


"You cannot argue with this fact!"

Really, just watch me. Funny thing about realities. They are basically illusions. They are the reality until they aren't. The reality was once thought of as the earth was flat. Today, not so much. Man can not fly. At one point, that was reality but not so much anymore. Covid can't be spread, that was reality at one point. What do you think the reality is today?

Don't talk to me about what can and can not be argued. That is your reality, it is not the reality.

Lol, you love to hear yourself talk, but unfortunately you actuality say little and have trouble staying on point.

 

[John813]

If they tagged him they would of had to hold onto him with his cap hit of 37.1mil while any team thought on trying to sign him.

The FO wanted to keep him. They kept him. Dunno why some want to bring up different scenarios.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, you love to hear yourself talk, but unfortunately you actuality say little and have trouble staying on point.

Hey, I asked you to prove it. I'm content to listen to you prove it. By all means, do what I've asked and I'll listen to you.

 

[atlantacowboy]

He hit 30TDs last season and was on pace for 40+ this season. The discussion I believe originally about if there was a market for him. He was ranked the #1 free agent by NFL.com. So I’m going to assume they may know a little about why they ranked him there.


As for whether he beats good teams what exactly is your qualifier?

Of all active quarterbacks in the league

brady
Mahomes
Jackson
Rodgers

are the only 4 quarterbacks with a higher winning percentage against .500+ teams than him

He was 1-3 this past year before getting injured. Much of his yardage and TDs were against soft defenses trying to milk clock. Your big stat is living in 2016.

Lets look at his more recent record against .500 teams

2020 - 0-3
2019 - 2-6
2018 - 3-4

OUCH!

 

[Denim Chicken]

Show me. Show me where this happened. .

How many teams have come out ahead in the QB negotiations Wars? Perhaps the answer is that teams need to stop doing business the way they have been in recent years. It's clearly not working in terms of managing QB salaries.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If they tagged him they would of had to hold onto him with his cap hit of 37.1mil while any team thought on trying to sign him.

The FO wanted to keep him. They kept him. Dunno why some want to bring up different scenarios.

Not sure this is accurate. If they had used the none exclusive tag, I don't thing the cap numbers would have been the same. I can't remember exactly but the calculation on salary is different, I believe.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Hey, I asked you to prove it. I'm content to listen to you prove it. By all means, do what I've asked and I'll listen to you.

It is easy to prove & everyone knows it.

All you have to do is look at franchise Qbs contracts in time. What direction is the money going in? Up or down?


Except below. Weird that they are not declining.

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers enjoyed an extended stretch as the highest-paid player in the NFL, with a new-money average of $22 million per year, until Colts quarterback Andrew Luck finally leapfrogged Rodgers in 2016, with $24.6 million per year. An NFL player finally reached the $25 million mark on June 22, 2017, when Raiders quarterback Derek Carr signed a deal with five new years and $125 million in new money.


In less than 22 months since then, the high-water mark has increased by another $10 million per year.


From Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford ($27 million per year) to 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo ($27.5 million) to Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins ($28 million) to Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan ($30 million) to Rodgers ($33.5 million) to Wilson ($35 million), the market has gone higher and higher.

 

[John813]

Not sure this is accurate. If they had used the none exclusive tag, I don't thing the cap numbers would have been the same. I can't remember exactly but the calculation on salary is different, I believe.

Since he was tagged last year it was going to be 120% of his first tag.

Had he been tagged this year for the first time, for example, it would of been much lower.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What exactly, do you think this proves? If you are doing business poorly, what is the solution? Change the way you do business. This happens daily, all over the world. I suppose you see that as proof of collusion as well?

I'm a business owner and I can no longer afford to use the US mail as an effective way of shipping product so a guy opens up a delivery model using dedicated shipping methods. A completely different model that is more effective and more cost effective. Over night, every business in the country moves away from the U.S. mail and starts using companies like UPS and Fedex. I suppose you see collusion there are well right?

Maybe the problem is in how you look at things. When your a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Maybe it's you because post here suggests nothing other then the reality of business. Try again.

 

[CATCH17]

They should've just moved on and started a mini rebuild but now we're locked into mediocrity for awhile. Fun times.

Enjoy the division W though.