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No one is making up anything, sport. 2 TD passes, 0 INTs, 97.6 QB rating that game.

His career numbers? 46 TDs, 51 INTs, and a 74.4 QB rating, nowhere close to what he did against the Cowboys.

Next time you run for a box score to continue your perpetual defense of Jerry Jones make sure you actually know what you're talking about, "lol"
He was 12-25, you said he shredded them. It's wrong. You're lying.

And for the 500th time, I have said nothing to defend Jerry Jones. Just pointing out the false, if not misconstrued, data used to attack everything he's ever done.
 

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To have a winning culture there must be the fear of losing.

The desire to win is not enough for desires for gain are not as driving as the fear of losing and pain. The avoidance of pain far outweighs the desire for gain.
Every time the team blows a big game, or gets blown out....he gets in front of a mic, and speaks from an owners perspective....

Its ok because we'll git em next tahm....

He wants to sell his product.

It sends an awful message to everyone else.

Its a huge problem overall and he either fails to recognize it or doesn't care.

Certainly he wants to win, but he will NOT give up his microphone habit to make that happen.

THATs my problem with the guy, not his existence alone.
 

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To have a winning culture there must be the fear of losing.

The desire to win is not enough for desires for gain are not as driving as the fear of losing and pain. The avoidance of pain far outweighs the desire for gain.
That was Jimmy’s driving force. He hated losing more than anything. Apparently Jerry hates feeling marginalized or diminished way more than losing.
 

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To have a winning culture there must be the fear of losing.

The desire to win is not enough for desires for gain are not as driving as the fear of losing and pain. The avoidance of pain far outweighs the desire for gain.

So true.

We reward every single one of our decent players like they are Superbowl Champions.

The dream of being a Superbowl contender is gone for awhile.
 

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Every time the team blows a big game, or gets blown out....he gets in front of a mic, and speaks from an owners perspective....

Its ok because we'll git em next tahm....

He wants to sell his product.

It sends an awful message to everyone else.

Its a huge problem overall and he either fails to recognize it or doesn't care.

Certainly he wants to win, but he will NOT give up his microphone habit to make that happen.

THATs my problem with the guy, not his existence alone.
Nor do I or even begrudge his right to run his own team as GM but he doesn't run it, he rules over it. He doesn't put in the time and never has to really be a football GM. He would never put up with a GM working for him putting in the time he does to actually run the club. He would expect a guy to live and die by the job and devote himself to it.

We've all got ideas and like to play the GM role but that is one tough job as we see with the turnover and if they get it together, they've got 31 other teams trying to take it apart. KC is lucky to keep as many parts but that is not going to last. No GM has been able to stay out ahead of the curve except Belichick and he's just a weird duck anyway.
 

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Oh it’s possible Greggo. We had that culture under Jerry with Jimmy and almost under Parcells. It may not be likely, but it’s possible.
Parcells was just a tease. It wasn’t as close as some want to think.

And hoping to return to the Jimmy type era is more like a pipe dream than any real possibility my friend.
 

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I like it.

They also need a vocal leader on defense.

Maybe Neal can be that guy.

I felt like they have been lacking that.

Lee and LVE were always out too much.

DL isn't really that guy.
Do you think it has to be a player that does this? Why not Dan Quinn? Or how about Quinn encouraging veteran players to step up?
 

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The Cowboys were a soft team last year. Got destroyed at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Better health will somewhat fix the OL but the DL is still a major weakness. Cant understand how the front office can watch what happened in the Cleveland game last year and not go all out this offseason to improve up front particularly at DT.
 

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Nor do I or even begrudge his right to run his own team as GM but he doesn't run it, he rules over it. He doesn't put in the time and never has to really be a football GM. He would never put up with a GM working for him putting in the time he does to actually run the club. He would expect a guy to live and die by the job and devote himself to it.

We've all got ideas and like to play the GM role but that is one tough job as we see with the turnover and if they get it together, they've got 31 other teams trying to take it apart. KC is lucky to keep as many parts but that is not going to last. No GM has been able to stay out ahead of the curve except Belichick and he's just a weird duck anyway.
And we’ll see how Belichick does without Brady anchoring.
 

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Parcells was just a tease. It wasn’t as close as some want to think.

And hoping to return to the Jimmy type era is more like a pipe dream than any real possibility my friend.
I'd say way more than a pipe dream when he turned down a cream puff of a guy like Phillips just trying to raise the fines.

What does that even say about the GM's support of his HC? Coaches are evil necessities to Booger.

Even as whacked out as Crazy Al could get, he pretty much stayed out of his HC's way and let them do their job and he actually had a lot more experience to get involved but he understood the chain of command in any organization. Booger has a HC to be the boss when he's not around.

I can tell you first hand of that chain of command effect and it doesn't have to be involvement, presence will do it. When I was promoted to my first GM job from Sales Manager I promoted my top sales guy, which is usually the path. I let him run the meetings but I was there, thinking I was showing how important this was only I was sending the wrong signals, that of a question of confidence. I stopped going and the sales staff became his. And he could be accountable.

Booger not only doesn't support his coaches, he undermines them. Remember when Owens was calling the OC, Garrett, you remember him, out publicly? What was Booger's response? "I have no problem with that".

Booger runs the team just like he did his wildcatter company and he forgot all the lessons Frank Broyles, his admitted mentor, tried to teach him. He has no clue about the effect or importance of the chain of command remaining in place. One of the reasons he and Johnson connected so well with Switzer was because Broyles was loose reins with his coaches and Jimmy saw such a young coach with that kind of responsibility.

The first time I heard that DB we had for almost a season remark about team meetings being held up because the Joneses were running late, I didn't need to look for the root of the problem. Which is why I have very little optimism that this franchise accomplishes much on the field. It is flawed from the top down.
 

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We all know we need help at multiple positions. We can talk Safeties, DTs, LBs...whatever position of need we have on this team. But the most important upgrade our Cowboys need...the biggest obstacle holding this team back from being a contender is its CULTURE. Currently, it’s as soft as a roll of Charmin and entitled as someone named Spalding.

Yes, we must have talent upgrades at multiple positions. Talent is critical to success in any sport. We need lots more talent for sure. But what this team needs more than anything- its players, coaches and entire organization, is to get tougher and more accountable.

You could bring in 10 HOFers at multiple positions, but until this culture toughens up- I hate to say it- we should not expect much to change. The difference between a typical 8-8 season and a deep playoff run isn’t just talent. It’s a change in the culture. That’s the most important element Tom Brady brought to the Buccaneers this past year. Accountability and toughness. It matters a ton.

The difference in talent between teams winning SBs and those who only flirt with it, is usually the culture.

I wish Jerry and Stephen Jones would come in here and read your post.
 

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I wish Jerry and Stephen Jones would come in here and read your post.
It wouldn’t matter . As much as they want to win are not interested if it means they aren’t involved or had to step aside.

Remember it wasn’t enough winning with Jimmy. Jethro wanted more control and credit.
 

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Do you think it has to be a player that does this? Why not Dan Quinn? Or how about Quinn encouraging veteran players to step up?
That could be, but it'd be nice for it to be a guy on the field.

Neal, having known the system, may be able to lead that way.

I actually don't care how it gets done, we just seem to be lacking that vocal leader type.
 

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I wish Jerry and Stephen Jones would come in here and read your post.
The problem isn't a lack of knowledge with them, it is the priorities. We've already had the GM admit he should have fired himself years ago. He knows he's not the best man for the job but he is the only man for the job, according to his boss.
 
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