General Thoughts on the Draft

[xwalker]

I have not spent nearly as much time on the draft this year as in the past.

Pitts: Best player in this draft.

Horn: Maybe better than Surtain.

OT Jenkins: Underrated. Reminds me of Zack Martin.

Barmore: I would be OK trading down a few spots and drafting him. Size and explosive.

Marvin Wilson: Looked like a 1st rounder in 2019. Either injured or overweight in 2020, maybe both.

Jay Tufele or Tyler Shelvin in the 3rd.
- Tufele looks awkward at times but made a lot of plays.
- Shelvin moves well for his size (350).

DT Bobby Brown (Maybe 4th/5th round): On his best plays show terrific ability but those don't happen often enough. Might be better NFL than college player depending on coaching.

Azeez Ojulari: Wow edge burst. Reminds me of Von Miller but might just be Robert Quinn.

Jamin Davis: Underrated. Looks like a 1st round talent to me.

Zaven Collins: Seems like a safe pick. High effort, smart and big. He is a 4-3 MLB or 3-4 ILB, IMO. Not a full time edge player.

Parsons: Has a boom/bust vibe to me. Not bust in terms of can't play at all, but in terms of living up to his draft status.

JOK: Huge risk if drafted top 20. Can he hold up physically at LB. Is he a Strong Safety? Success seems very coaching/scheme dependent. Maybe SS in base and LB in Nickel...The NFL does play Nickel more snaps than base now and JOK appears to be an ideal Nickel LB.

Trevon Moehrig: If available last 1st, how much to trade up from Cowboys 2nd round pick?

 

[CATCH17]

Right there with you on time spent.

It’s not as fun anymore but I get more enjoyment reading others opinions stress days then acquiring the info to properly form my own opinion.

Outside of QBs where I’m still clearly way smarter than everyone.

 

[Sydla]

Horn seemingly has the higher ceiling based on measurables but he seems like a bigger risk than Surtain.

 

[fivetwos]

I agree on all of it except Barmore. I see him as being not difficult for NFL interior OL to handle.

Happy you are a Moehrig fan. So am I and I'm still hopeful he stays home.

As far as Ojulari....if he is Robert Quinn max I still think they should take a long look at him at 10. He has been a pressure player in the league with longevity for a reason.

If he is somewhere between Quinn and Miller, I think you sign for that at 10 in this draft in a second.

I dont think its a very good draft overall, and I'm sure it'll go down as one of the worst in recent memory.

A correction off last years bonanza for many teams.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Parsons intrigues me. I could see him being a solid LB from whom you always wish you could get a little more. But if the stars align... he could be really, really good.

 

[baltcowboy]

Horn seemingly has the higher ceiling based on measurables but he seems like a bigger risk than Surtain.

I hope Horne is as good as Cowboys draftnicks and some people on this board think he is. The only impressive film I have seen on him was the Auburn game. Let’s just say Bo Nix is not Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray, or Justin Fields. Those are the quarterbacks that Surtain had to go up against.

 

[Cowboyny]

I have not spent nearly as much time on the draft this year as in the past.

Pitts: Best player in this draft.

Horn: Maybe better than Surtain.

OT Jenkins: Underrated. Reminds me of Zack Martin.

Barmore: I would be OK trading down a few spots and drafting him. Size and explosive.

Marvin Wilson: Looked like a 1st rounder in 2019. Either injured or overweight in 2020, maybe both.

Jay Tufele or Tyler Shelvin in the 3rd.
- Tufele looks awkward at times but made a lot of plays.
- Shelvin moves well for his size (350).

DT Bobby Brown (Maybe 4th/5th round): On his best plays show terrific ability but those don't happen often enough. Might be better NFL than college player depending on coaching.

Azeez Ojulari: Wow edge burst. Reminds me of Von Miller but might just be Robert Quinn.

Jamin Davis: Underrated. Looks like a 1st round talent to me.

Zaven Collins: Seems like a safe pick. High effort, smart and big. He is a 4-3 MLB or 3-4 ILB, IMO. Not a full time edge player.

Parsons: Has a boom/bust vibe to me. Not bust in terms of can't play at all, but in terms of living up to his draft status.

JOK: Huge risk if drafted top 20. Can he hold up physically at LB. Is he a Strong Safety? Success seems very coaching/scheme dependent. Maybe SS in base and LB in Nickel...The NFL does play Nickel more snaps than base now and JOK appears to be an ideal Nickel LB.

Trevon Moehrig: If available last 1st, how much to trade up from Cowboys 2nd round pick?

I believe 44 and 75 gets us in the late 1st range, 99 gets us atop of rd 2

 

[darthseinfeld]

I have not spent nearly as much time on the draft this year as in the past.

Pitts: Best player in this draft.

Horn: Maybe better than Surtain.

OT Jenkins: Underrated. Reminds me of Zack Martin.

Barmore: I would be OK trading down a few spots and drafting him. Size and explosive.

Marvin Wilson: Looked like a 1st rounder in 2019. Either injured or overweight in 2020, maybe both.

Jay Tufele or Tyler Shelvin in the 3rd.
- Tufele looks awkward at times but made a lot of plays.
- Shelvin moves well for his size (350).

DT Bobby Brown (Maybe 4th/5th round): On his best plays show terrific ability but those don't happen often enough. Might be better NFL than college player depending on coaching.

Azeez Ojulari: Wow edge burst. Reminds me of Von Miller but might just be Robert Quinn.

Jamin Davis: Underrated. Looks like a 1st round talent to me.

Zaven Collins: Seems like a safe pick. High effort, smart and big. He is a 4-3 MLB or 3-4 ILB, IMO. Not a full time edge player.

Parsons: Has a boom/bust vibe to me. Not bust in terms of can't play at all, but in terms of living up to his draft status.

JOK: Huge risk if drafted top 20. Can he hold up physically at LB. Is he a Strong Safety? Success seems very coaching/scheme dependent. Maybe SS in base and LB in Nickel...The NFL does play Nickel more snaps than base now and JOK appears to be an ideal Nickel LB.

Trevon Moehrig: If available last 1st, how much to trade up from Cowboys 2nd round pick?

Im a guy that feels 10 maybe too high for Horn. However one of the things that excites about him is the edge thag he plays with. He is the kind of that goes to war every play.

For me that a huge positive check mark

 

[xwalker]

Im a guy that feels 10 maybe too high for Horn. However one of the things that excites about him is the edge thag he plays with. He is the kind of that goes to war every play.

For me that a huge positive check mark

Yes, up around the line he plays like a Strong Safety or LB with physical violence.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Marvin Wilson: Looked like a 1st rounder in 2019. Either injured or overweight in 2020, maybe both.

This........but I think the kid was more worried about protecting himself for the draft.

 

[xwalker]

This........but I think the kid was more worried about protecting himself for the draft.

Like the majority of players, getting an accurate assessment of his mental makeup is critical.

Obviously with a few players like Sean Lee and Zack Martin there are zero questions about mental makeup, but with more players than not, mental makeup is the most critical issue for success.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yes, up around the line he plays like a Strong Safety or LB with physical violence.

I dont think he comes into the league a better CB than Diggs year 1 (Surtain should). But he could help foster a very assertive secondary mentality.

For me, Horn is the guy who I don't want them to take at 10 because I value him lower. However I can rationalize them valuing him much higher. Barmore fits this as well

 

[Sydla]

This........but I think the kid was more worried about protecting himself for the draft.

Seems like a pretty shoddy excuse.

He also had the option of opting out like Parsons and others. If you agree to play, then going out there and playing terribly because you are scared to get hurt seems like some really stupid logic. Seems the more likely answer is that there are mental issues that a team needs to get comfortable with and that maybe, he's not as good as people thought after his earlier years at FSU. He wouldn't the first college kid who had a big early start to a career only to flatline by the time he left college.

I wouldn't touch him before the 4th, at best.

 

[xwalker]

I dont think he comes into the league a better CB than Diggs year 1 (Surtain should). But he could help foster a very assertive secondary mentality.

For me, Horn is the guy who I don't want them to take at 10 because I value him lower. However I can rationalize them valuing him much higher. Barmore fits this as well

Prior to the Pro Day, reports listed deep speed as Horn's question mark....Then he ran a 4.39 forty...

Jaycee Horn: 33.3% completion % allowed in coverage in 2020. Lowest in the SEC

Neither Surtain or Horn are the extreme athletes/prospects that we've seen in the draft at that position many years; although, 6-1, 205, 4.39 with 41.5 vert for Horn does indicate elite athletic ability.

Barmore looks like exactly the type of player the Cowboys need. Quick and explosive as a pass rusher but big/strong against the run.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I have not spent nearly as much time on the draft this year as in the past.

Pitts: Best player in this draft.

Horn: Maybe better than Surtain.

OT Jenkins: Underrated. Reminds me of Zack Martin.

Barmore: I would be OK trading down a few spots and drafting him. Size and explosive.

Marvin Wilson: Looked like a 1st rounder in 2019. Either injured or overweight in 2020, maybe both.

Jay Tufele or Tyler Shelvin in the 3rd.
- Tufele looks awkward at times but made a lot of plays.
- Shelvin moves well for his size (350).

DT Bobby Brown (Maybe 4th/5th round): On his best plays show terrific ability but those don't happen often enough. Might be better NFL than college player depending on coaching.

Azeez Ojulari: Wow edge burst. Reminds me of Von Miller but might just be Robert Quinn.

Jamin Davis: Underrated. Looks like a 1st round talent to me.

Zaven Collins: Seems like a safe pick. High effort, smart and big. He is a 4-3 MLB or 3-4 ILB, IMO. Not a full time edge player.

Parsons: Has a boom/bust vibe to me. Not bust in terms of can't play at all, but in terms of living up to his draft status.

JOK: Huge risk if drafted top 20. Can he hold up physically at LB. Is he a Strong Safety? Success seems very coaching/scheme dependent. Maybe SS in base and LB in Nickel...The NFL does play Nickel more snaps than base now and JOK appears to be an ideal Nickel LB.

Trevon Moehrig: If available last 1st, how much to trade up from Cowboys 2nd round pick?

Pitts is 100% not the best player on this draft. He is a WR and not even the best one in this draft.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Prior to the Pro Day, reports listed deep speed as Horn's question mark....Then he ran a 4.39 forty...

Jaycee Horn: 33.3% completion % allowed in coverage in 2020. Lowest in the SEC

Neither Surtain or Horn are the extreme athletes/prospects that we've seen in the draft at that position many years; although, 6-1, 205, 4.39 with 41.5 vert for Horn does indicate elite athletic ability.

Barmore looks like exactly the type of player the Cowboys need. Quick and explosive as a pass rusher but big/strong against the run.

Horn and certain are great prospects at the CB position and great athletes.

 

[xwalker]

Seems like a pretty shoddy excuse.

He also had the option of opting out like Parsons and others. If you agree to play, then going out there and playing terribly because you are scared to get hurt seems like some really stupid logic. Seems the more likely answer is that there are mental issues that a team needs to get comfortable with and that maybe, he's not as good as people thought after his earlier years at FSU. He wouldn't the first college kid who had a big early start to a career only to flatline by the time he left college.

I wouldn't touch him before the 4th, at best.

It appears to be the opposite.

He appears to played through injuries that would have kept many players out.

2020
Wilson suffered a leg injury that had been bothering him for several weeks before getting shut down for surgery, missing the Pittsburgh game.

2019
Played with a knee and hand injury.
He was seen on crutches at times but only missed minimal time.
He had hand surgery after the season and is believed to have played with broken bones in his hand.

2018
Partial tear of the MCL in Spring practice. Didn't miss any games that season.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Prior to the Pro Day, reports listed deep speed as Horn's question mark....Then he ran a 4.39 forty...

Jaycee Horn: 33.3% completion % allowed in coverage in 2020. Lowest in the SEC

Neither Surtain or Horn are the extreme athletes/prospects that we've seen in the draft at that position many years; although, 6-1, 205, 4.39 with 41.5 vert for Horn does indicate elite athletic ability.

Barmore looks like exactly the type of player the Cowboys need. Quick and explosive as a pass rusher but big/strong against the run.

Barmore run defense has been questionable. However, he is only 20 and has one year starting at Bama. Its not a "deficiency", its just an area he needs to develop. I also think he will (or at least could) be a 320 pounder in the NFL (maybe 2022). He measured 6'5 310. He has legit double digit sack potential as an interior lineman, which isnt all that common. He is a guy you want to be able to draft outside the top, but it wouldnt shock me if some pro's have him inside the top 10. Especially in a year where the top defenders are CB's and a LB.

 

[AsthmaField]

Like the majority of players, getting an accurate assessment of his mental makeup is critical.

Obviously with a few players like Sean Lee and Zack Martin there are zero questions about mental makeup, but with more players than not, mental makeup is the most critical issue for success.

This is where the team failed miserably in their evaluation of, and trade up for Mo Claiborne.

They never expected to have a shot at drafting him but when the Rams called with a relatively cheap trade up, Jerry just couldn’t help himself and they went up and got a guy that they hadn’t done their homework on... at least not on the mental/personality side.

Physically, he was everything they thought he was but his mental make-up was what caused him to fail to live up to his draft status.

I don’t think the team has failed in that department since that day.

 

[stilltheguru]

If Ojulari is Quinn you take him at 10 and dont look back.