Kiper Mock 4.0 4/13/21

[baltcowboy]

I don’t think the Cowboys pass on Surtain but the trade would be fair if we get their second as well.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I'm not sure Horn will be there at 15......

 

[Risen Star]

Drafting a corner at #10, or even #15 -- can't be the BPA.

Corners are reactionary players that lack aggression and physicality -- constantly on an 'island' with coverage on receivers, & are highly dependent on the front 7 in attacking and pressuring the QB.
At #10, or #15, draft impact players that are aggressive, and are game-changers -- OL attacks the defense, WR's challenge the defense, DL collapse the pocket and pressure the QB, LB's attack the line of scrimmage, etc.,

Corners are 'island' players -- their impact is minimal, they are contingent on the DL causing the QB to panic (if a QB has time to throw, I don't care who you have in the secondary), & more important drafting them at #10, or #15, a team is leaving more valuable/foundational impact players on the board.

Before you all chime with Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey -- just note some of the front 7 players those corners benefited from during their respective tenures in Arizona and Jacksonville.
In particular, Campbell, Chandler Jones, and Yannick Ngakoue put up high sack numbers -- look up the numbers.

Arizona:
Calais Campbell
Sam Acho
Darnell Dockett
Karlos Dansby
John Abraham
Alex Okafer
Chandler Jones

Jacksonville:
Calais Campbell
Malik Jackson
Myles Jack
Yannick Ngakoue

The most important place on the field is the pocket.
Teams need players that can throw from that spot, that can protect that spot, and that can attack that spot.

The fetish with corners at the top of the 1st round needs to stop.

Give me the best edge rusher in the draft:
Jaelan Phillips.

That isn't a post. That's scripture.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

Excellent idea. There will be CBs available at #44 that are better players than Tryon. They can fix the problem with backing up Lawrence by signing Aldon Smith. I cannot imagine he wants a lot of money. Or use a 3rd round pick to get a DE.

Aldon is not coming back.

 

[Risen Star]

Drafting a corner at #10, or even #15 -- can't be the BPA.

Corners are reactionary players that lack aggression and physicality -- constantly on an 'island' with coverage on receivers, & are highly dependent on the front 7 in attacking and pressuring the QB.
At #10, or #15, draft impact players that are aggressive, and are game-changers -- OL attacks the defense, WR's challenge the defense, DL collapse the pocket and pressure the QB, LB's attack the line of scrimmage, etc.,

Corners are 'island' players -- their impact is minimal, they are contingent on the DL causing the QB to panic (if a QB has time to throw, I don't care who you have in the secondary), & more important drafting them at #10, or #15, a team is leaving more valuable/foundational impact players on the board.

Before you all chime with Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey -- just note some of the front 7 players those corners benefited from during their respective tenures in Arizona and Jacksonville.
In particular, Campbell, Chandler Jones, and Yannick Ngakoue put up high sack numbers -- look up the numbers.

Arizona:
Calais Campbell
Sam Acho
Darnell Dockett
Karlos Dansby
John Abraham
Alex Okafer
Chandler Jones

Jacksonville:
Calais Campbell
Malik Jackson
Myles Jack
Yannick Ngakoue

The most important place on the field is the pocket.
Teams need players that can throw from that spot, that can protect that spot, and that can attack that spot.

The fetish with corners at the top of the 1st round needs to stop.

Give me the best edge rusher in the draft:
Jaelan Phillips.

I'm quoting this twice because it's that good.

You all need to read it. Maybe it's the cure for your disease. Or maybe at least it can be the vaccine to stop the spread.

Western, you're pretty much my best friend in life now, bro. My likes are your likes.

 

[Risen Star]

My likes are your likes.

That's just a figure of speech, by the way. In case any staff member is reading this.

 

[CATCH17]

Drafting a corner at #10, or even #15 -- can't be the BPA.

Corners are reactionary players that lack aggression and physicality -- constantly on an 'island' with coverage on receivers, & are highly dependent on the front 7 in attacking and pressuring the QB.
At #10, or #15, draft impact players that are aggressive, and are game-changers -- OL attacks the defense, WR's challenge the defense, DL collapse the pocket and pressure the QB, LB's attack the line of scrimmage, etc.,

Corners are 'island' players -- their impact is minimal, they are contingent on the DL causing the QB to panic (if a QB has time to throw, I don't care who you have in the secondary), & more important drafting them at #10, or #15, a team is leaving more valuable/foundational impact players on the board.

Before you all chime with Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey -- just note some of the front 7 players those corners benefited from during their respective tenures in Arizona and Jacksonville.
In particular, Campbell, Chandler Jones, and Yannick Ngakoue put up high sack numbers -- look up the numbers.

Arizona:
Calais Campbell
Sam Acho
Darnell Dockett
Karlos Dansby
John Abraham
Alex Okafer
Chandler Jones

Jacksonville:
Calais Campbell
Malik Jackson
Myles Jack
Yannick Ngakoue

The most important place on the field is the pocket.
Teams need players that can throw from that spot, that can protect that spot, and that can attack that spot.

The fetish with corners at the top of the 1st round needs to stop.

Give me the best edge rusher in the draft:
Jaelan Phillips.

Dang that was a good post.

I won’t be upset with a corner but it’s just me settling and basically giving up on this franchise.

I will say if you run a lot of man that it does make the position more important but pass rushers are far more important than anything.

 

[Gaede]

Pass rushers are way more valuable than corners.

But when the best pass rusher available has a history of concussions and literally quitting the sport, while the best CBs available have no red flags and a family history of sustained success in the pros, I lean toward the surer thing.

We're not drafting positions; we're drafting players. And you can only pick the ones that are available to you in a particular draft.

 

[MarkP88]

Drafting a corner at #10, or even #15 -- can't be the BPA.

Corners are reactionary players that lack aggression and physicality -- constantly on an 'island' with coverage on receivers, & are highly dependent on the front 7 in attacking and pressuring the QB.
At #10, or #15, draft impact players that are aggressive, and are game-changers -- OL attacks the defense, WR's challenge the defense, DL collapse the pocket and pressure the QB, LB's attack the line of scrimmage, etc.,

Corners are 'island' players -- their impact is minimal, they are contingent on the DL causing the QB to panic (if a QB has time to throw, I don't care who you have in the secondary), & more important drafting them at #10, or #15, a team is leaving more valuable/foundational impact players on the board.

Before you all chime with Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey -- just note some of the front 7 players those corners benefited from during their respective tenures in Arizona and Jacksonville.
In particular, Campbell, Chandler Jones, and Yannick Ngakoue put up high sack numbers -- look up the numbers.

Arizona:
Calais Campbell
Sam Acho
Darnell Dockett
Karlos Dansby
John Abraham
Alex Okafer
Chandler Jones

Jacksonville:
Calais Campbell
Malik Jackson
Myles Jack
Yannick Ngakoue

The most important place on the field is the pocket.
Teams need players that can throw from that spot, that can protect that spot, and that can attack that spot.

The fetish with corners at the top of the 1st round needs to stop.

Give me the best edge rusher in the draft:
Jaelan Phillips.

I could not agree with this more. Great post.

 

[J-man]

Drafting a corner at #10, or even #15 -- can't be the BPA.

Corners are reactionary players that lack aggression and physicality -- constantly on an 'island' with coverage on receivers, & are highly dependent on the front 7 in attacking and pressuring the QB.
At #10, or #15, draft impact players that are aggressive, and are game-changers -- OL attacks the defense, WR's challenge the defense, DL collapse the pocket and pressure the QB, LB's attack the line of scrimmage, etc.,

Corners are 'island' players -- their impact is minimal, they are contingent on the DL causing the QB to panic (if a QB has time to throw, I don't care who you have in the secondary), & more important drafting them at #10, or #15, a team is leaving more valuable/foundational impact players on the board.

Before you all chime with Patrick Peterson or Jalen Ramsey -- just note some of the front 7 players those corners benefited from during their respective tenures in Arizona and Jacksonville.
In particular, Campbell, Chandler Jones, and Yannick Ngakoue put up high sack numbers -- look up the numbers.

Arizona:
Calais Campbell
Sam Acho
Darnell Dockett
Karlos Dansby
John Abraham
Alex Okafer
Chandler Jones

Jacksonville:
Calais Campbell
Malik Jackson
Myles Jack
Yannick Ngakoue

The most important place on the field is the pocket.
Teams need players that can throw from that spot, that can protect that spot, and that can attack that spot.

The fetish with corners at the top of the 1st round needs to stop.

Give me the best edge rusher in the draft:
Jaelan Phillips.

YES!!! Well said, and FYI I've been pushing the Phillips angle for a couple of weeks, but people don't want to hear it with his history. But I'm in, the dude is a beast. He makes any CB we have better, day 1.

 

[CATCH17]

Pass rushers are way more valuable than corners.

But when the best pass rusher available has a history of concussions and literally quitting the sport, while the best CBs available have no red flags and a family history of sustained success in the pros, I lean toward the surer thing.

We're not drafting positions; we're drafting players. And you can only pick the ones that are available to you in a particular draft.

That is why I’m ok with a round 1 corner in this particular draft.


I’m more upset about our silly wins that we put together at the end of the season.

 

[DFWJC]

Dumb question.

Would you rather have a 1st this year or a 2nd last year?

Agree

But you know...draft-value wise---what he is asking is a fair question.

Pretty much 100% of the time a 1 year forward 1st rounder (losing service of player for one year) is valued in trade circles gets devalued to the 42-48 range of the current year....or a mid/upper 2nd rounder.
Always

But I agree with you. The future 1st seems preferable....especially given that NE is no longer a title contender

 

[DFWJC]

Would you guys rather have NEs 2022 1st or their 2021 2nd (46 overall)?

Draft value-wise, that is a legit question.
They are about equal in trades over the last 10 years.

 

[DasTex]

Man I'm torn
This is a deep draft at CB, LB and OT

Those are all needs for Dallas.

Taking a 15, their 2nd and 5th would sure look better.
Trade back up to end of 1st with some of that ammo and it could be

Horn
Collins
OT or DT which fits best in 1st 2 rounds

 

[DFWJC]

With only one of the top five quarterbacks still available, the Patriots jump five spots with the Cowboys, giving Dallas their 2022 first-round pick in return. The Cowboys don't need a quarterback, so they'd be thrilled to get an offer like this and move down only a few spots, because their biggest holes are on defense and they can get a good player at No. 15.

This would be the first time in the common draft era (since 1967) that five quarterbacks went in the top 10 picks. The quickest that five QBs were picked was in 1999, when five went in the top 12.

15. Dallas Cowboys - Jaycee Horn CB South Carolina

Dallas trades back five spots with New England, gains what would likely be a 2022 first-round pick and is able to plug a need at No. 15. The Cowboys' defense was dreadful last season, and they lost starting corner Chidobe Awuzie in free agency. They can pair Horn with 2020 second-round pick Trevon Diggs, who had a nice rookie season. The knock on Horn is that he had only two career interceptions, but that ball production should come in time.

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44. Dallas Cowboys - Joe Tryon DE Washington

Tryon played linebacker, defensive end and defensive tackle at Washington, picking up eight sacks in 2019 before opting out of last season. At 6-foot-5, 260 pounds, he'd play end for the Cowboys, who have an under-the-radar hole behind DeMarcus Lawrence. Dallas could go offensive line here as well.

fwiw,

Not sure what Mel is thinking here......NO WAY Belichick trades next year's 1st to move up 5 spots. Maybe Mel left out that we would give them our 3rd or something. But nobody has ever made that bad of trade for 5 spots in the middle of the first round that I'm aware of.
Now, if he traded next year's 2nd....that comes a little bit closer to working.

Next year's 1st would never happen. If he wanted to do that, he could just use that trade and move up ahead of us. to Carolina or Detroit

 

[Risen Star]

Pass rushers are way more valuable than corners.

But when the best pass rusher available has a history of concussions and literally quitting the sport, while the best CBs available have no red flags and a family history of sustained success in the pros...

Let me stop you right there. You trade the hell down. Get out of there. Don't waste a top 10 pick on an impact-less player.

 

[DFWJC]

Man I'm torn
This is a deep draft at CB, LB and OT

Those are all needs for Dallas.

Taking a 15, their 2nd and 5th would sure look better.
Trade back up to end of 1st with some of that ammo and it could be

Horn
Collins
OT or DT which fits best in 1st 2 rounds

Would never, ever happen. That's way too expensive for them.
Never has happened
The matched trade would've been 15 plus their 3rd (and maybe 4th) to get to 10....but they don't have a 3rd rounder

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I would take that, although I’m not in love with whom we took at pick #44

 

[Risen Star]

fwiw,

Not sure what Mel is thinking here......NO WAY Belichick trades next year's 1st to move up 5 spots. Maybe Mel left out that we would give them our 3rd or something. But nobody has ever made that bad of trade for 5 spots in the middle of the first round that I'm aware of.
Now, if he traded next year's 2nd....that comes a little bit closer to working.

Next year's 1st would never happen. He wanted to do that, he could just used that trade and move up ahead of us. to Carolina or Detroit

Mel is just making the natural assumption that Jerry would fleece Belichick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Cowboys have a lot of picks in this years draft. I'd be OK with picking up an extra in next years draft. All the guys we pick this year aren't going to make the team. Better to pick up a few for next year where the value is a little better for us. Besides, two of our Biggest needs are at the top of next years class. Thibodeaux at DE and the Safety out of ND. Both of those guys could be high picks next year and it wouldn't hurt to have an extra 1st to move up and get one of them if they are there for us. Both of those position in this draft class aren't there at the top of the draft.