Tanking is one of the most cowardly things a team could do

[Whirlwin]

I disagree with the OP.

you say, what’s the difference? We still get to pick the best defensive player at 10. That’s bad logic. Just imagine sitting at 4. And then trading back to 10 and getting that same “best defensive player” and extra draft capital to boost.

You could take the top five people in this draft. That doesn’t mean you’re going to win anything. You still have to have a team of coaching staff an owner. Tanking never get you anywhere. You can’t win the Discussion

 

[Frosty]

Your about 6 months late to post about TANKING.....this discussion has come and gone......

By the way, Jerry Jones has gotten rich off TANKING in the last 25 years....whats one more year...

 

[Whirlwin]

This is sports.. Not a Mel Gipson movie.

You're looking to get a advantage somehow some way.

Teams have been tanking in all sports for a long time.. Does anyone care? No.. It's not a topic of discussion because nobody cares.

It sounds cool to say things like them being cowards or whatever but the goal of this sport is to win championships so whatever gets you to that goal is fair game.

Morale victories are for the Jones's who win nothing. Belichick will do whatever it takes to hold up a Lombardi.

I guess I just live my life different. Then others. Respect and integrity Are more than just words to me

 

[Whirlwin]

Your about 6 months late to post about TANKING.....this discussion has come and gone......

Oh: Jerry Jones has been TANKING for 25 years....whats one more year...

No I’m not. This draft is a perfect example of the word

 

[Frosty]

No I’m not. This draft is a perfect example of the word

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Must be taking about TANKING during the draft.....

 

[HungryLion]

Cool story bro

 

[ChuckA1]

Tell that to the team picking at #6. It's one thing to purposely lose. It's another to play the entire roster for next year's evaluation. That last game was just shortsighted.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I agree with the OP in the sense that there are much larger factors than just draft position. There is a reason teams like New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay are all relevant year after year despite drafting on the back end of the draft. I also would rather see our young guys develop and make plays than shoot for a loss.

with that said though I would have had no issues with the front office/ coaching staff saying hey we are out of it let’s bench dalton and see what we have in other qbs, Give pollard more touches and save zeke some wear and tear, etc.

 

[jterrell]

I have no problem with a team that isn't very good deciding hey I'll play my young guys and we'll focus on big picture.

Come week 16/17 and I'm sitting at 5 or 6 wins perhaps I sit a couple older vets who aren't 100% healthy.

But you absolutely can not just out and out tank for half a season or more.
You can't pull young guys like Jalen Hurts to play some QB4 to ensure a loss.
That's hustling backwards.

I'm over this style of American sport where we reward losers.
Talk about participation trophies. We literally grant you the best roster building resources available for being terrible.
At least the NBA makes it a lottery so you don't get handed pick 1 overall free of risk.
But it's all so terrible.

I'd fully support a reduction of NFL teams to 24. Then create a 20 team 2nd division.
Relegate the bottom 3 year from NFL to NFL2. Promote top 3 from NFL2.
It'd be wild but it'd stop this endless tanking nonsense that robs fans of watchable games and cheats everyone involved of competition.
Winning the toilet bowl last place spot should come at penalty not at a reward.

 

[RodeoJake]

It depends on what you see as tanking. Having coaches make calls to purposely lose is dishonest and does a disservice to the league and the players.

Realizing you're a bad team with no shot of going anywhere and give youngins valuable experience is smart. However, much of how a player develops is confidence. Putting a youngin in the game to fail does nothing to help that player and will probably damage his development.

Realize what you are and act accordingly with integrity. If you continue to lose, fine. You'll probably end up with good draft position. If the team manages to win a few games, that's fine too. You have something to build on.

 

[starfan1]

agree with OP but you cant fix stupid. apparently alot people sitting in their rocking chair haven't played sports. Now i haven't played for money professionally and maybe that's a different mindset (doubt it) but the sports i have played in you dont quit or not give 100% to try and win. You owe it to your brothers who sweat with you and put in the work.

 

[Beaker42]

I disagree with the OP.

you say, what’s the difference? We still get to pick the best defensive player at 10. That’s bad logic. Just imagine sitting at 4. And then trading back to 10 and getting that same “best defensive player” and extra draft capital to boost.

Yeah, can’t get some people to absorb logic that sometimes, just sometimes, you win more by losing. We lost more by winning two meaningless games and dropping from 4 to 10.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I’m surprised sports leagues haven’t evolved past traditional draft setups. I’d love to see more of an auction style draft. You could still give a slight advantage to worse teams for balancing reasons, but you give every team a chance at any player.

 

[Blitzen]

I really don’t care where another team does. Or even another player or another person. I have to live with myself. And I believe it’s cowardly to tank

Is your definition of tanking the deliberate actions of a front office, coaching staff or players to not put forth a full effort to win now in order for extra compensation later?

 

[Bizwah]

Maybe I've seen Major League too many times. But I feel "tanking" isn't really possible. Even if you get the worst players to play (which sends the wrong message IMO....football is a meritocracy where the players that have earned time get to play) you can't tell them to not play hard. You can't tell your coaches not to get the best game plan they can.

Players should always play their best. Any lack of effort can get players injured. Coaches should always coach to win...anything less can get their players hurt...or it could hurt their careers.

So the concept of tanking is ridiculous. Again, I reference Major League. In that movie, management chose the absolute worst talent they could find. Yet, the players had their own agenda. You may pooh on that comparison....yeah, it's only a movie. But it illustrates how players have the ultimate control about what happens on the field.

If you have players that are willing to tank....then you have major problems anyway.

 

[CATCH17]

I guess I just live my life different. Then others. Respect and integrity Are more than just words to me

Well it's fine to live your life that way but this is sports and people are looking to get an edge any way they can.

Those guys you're cheering for on Sunday? I got bad news.. A lot of them are taking performance enhancers to get an edge.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, can’t get some people to absorb logic that sometimes, just sometimes, you win more by losing. We lost more by winning two meaningless games and dropping from 4 to 10.

Dallas still had shot at NFC East heading into week 17. So how were 2 games meaningless?

 

[CATCH17]

I agree with the OP in the sense that there are much larger factors than just draft position. There is a reason teams like New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay are all relevant year after year despite drafting on the back end of the draft. I also would rather see our young guys develop and make plays than shoot for a loss.

with that said though I would have had no issues with the front office/ coaching staff saying hey we are out of it let’s bench dalton and see what we have in other qbs, Give pollard more touches and save zeke some wear and tear, etc.

Yeah.. It's called HOF Quarterbacks.

 

[Kingofholland]

And how wouldn’t have helped us in this draft. It wouldn’t have at all

Well higher pick could yield more compensation in a trade down scenario. So we could have been trading down from 3 to 5, received an extra first round pick next year and been in a similar drafting position this year.

But I'm right there with you. I'm not a fan of tanking in most situations either. Those talking about losing more games last year particularly the first 6 weeks into the season is just stupid.

 

[CATCH17]

Maybe I've seen Major League too many times. But I feel "tanking" isn't really possible. Even if you get the worst players to play (which sends the wrong message IMO....football is a meritocracy where the players that have earned time get to play) you can't tell them to not play hard. You can't tell your coaches not to get the best game plan they can.

Players should always play their best. Any lack of effort can get players injured. Coaches should always coach to win...anything less can get their players hurt...or it could hurt their careers.

So the concept of tanking is ridiculous. Again, I reference Major League. In that movie, management chose the absolute worst talent they could find. Yet, the players had their own agenda. You may pooh on that comparison....yeah, it's only a movie. But it illustrates how players have the ultimate control about what happens on the field.

If you have players that are willing to tank....then you have major problems anyway.

Great analogy and that's how it should play out. Management puts the team in a position to fail. If the players still win then so be it but management has to look at the big picture.