Listening to BTB and Locked on Cowboys

[BrAinPaiNt]

So now their careers are done who was right. The ones that said to draft Floyd or Dallas for drafting Frederick.....

I think some are missing the point here...at least with the Frederick vs Floyd situation.

This was a total disconnect or miscommunication with the scouts and the coaches that resulted in an argument in the war room.

Frederick turned out to be the better player and they were wise to trade down and get pick for him. However that does not absolve the lack of communication in the war room at the time.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

There isn’t but you’ll get the “media” excuse even though there are many guys who dedicate their careers to watching these guys. I’m with you!

Heck I bet if you asked the player and his agent and if they are honest I bet they didn;t expect to be drafted in the 3rd.

 

[dwreck27]

If the coach is willing to go that far for a guy... let him have his guy....


this wasn’t a 1st round pick with Rod beating down the whole room to take taco over TJ

yes still a top 100 pick but give Quinn a bone and if he thinks so highly of him for his scheme give him his guy... we still got cox the next round

 

[Miller]

Heck I bet if you asked the player and his agent and if they are honest I bet they didn;t expect to be drafted in the 3rd.

Right! I know when someone wants to come out early they get an analysis before they declare to see whether it is worth it or not vs staying in college another year. So I’d assume that most players entering the draft have an idea what scouts are saying, etc and know about where they are being slotted

 

[Rockport]

This is simply in your head. There are guys out there that do more evaluations than scouts. I’ve explained this 10 times now and it’s strange that people still throw around that media bs. There is a cottage industry of guys that are way beyond Mel Kiper and who just watch film all the time making these evaluations. Your statement is plain false. I’ve brought him up many times but guys like Greg Cosell and others produce shows for the NFL Network that are all based on film work and scouts actually come to them.

So you're saying a media talking head, who has not NFL football experience, can make a proper determination by watching YouTube video? Or any kind of video.

 

[Rockport]

Find me one that had him in the third round.
I'll wait for you to prove me wrong on this one.

Never said he did? What's your guys problems? You're making stuff up now.

 

[CWR]

The Cowboys draft board is based purely on game footage and measurables.

They leave out position value, medical and character then evaluate those issues at draft time. They put together presentations of each player that includes all of the background on character, medical, etc. and review it during the draft when they're discussing that player.

McClay evaluated the process when he got the top player evaluation job and determined that position value, character, etc. received extra emphasis because it was included in the draft board and then included again during draft day discussions.

If players are close on the draft board, CB is a more of a premium position than off-ball LB.

The primary criticism of Wright was speed. He did manage a 4.49 forty, but didn't play that fast and he'll need to gain weight in the NFL.

Richard Sherman dropped to the 5th round in large part because of concerns about his speed.

The Quinn style of defense makes size/technique a priority at CB.

Richard Sherman would have failed if coaches had tried to use him like coaches used Darrelle Revis.

The difference in style between Revis and Sherman is similar to the difference between Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson.
Ali: Float like a Butterfly, sting like a Bee.
Tyron: More like a Lion that had not eaten in days...

Sherman called the style played by Revis as "soft shoe" which is a reference to dancing.

Lol nice. Thanks for sharing X. It makes sense to me. I also believe character and intelligence are under rated and can be specific to football. In a league where everyone can bench a Buick, and out run a cheetah what's between the ears, and in the chest often seperates the men from the boys.

 

[CWR]

I haven't had a commute to work since I retired on my 50th birthday four years ago!! Thank God! I hated that crap.

My drive is shorter these days. I get up at 330am and it takes me about an hour. I actually enjoy the drive because it gives me a chance to listen to a plethora of Cowboys info as well as the occasional audio books. HOWEVER, it's only tolerable because I do it three days a week. Any more and Id be sick.

 

[conner01]

What’s funny is the DB we took late from SC seems like a stronger pick than the kid from O St.

Israel seems like a perfect guy to switch to safety
Has some experience there a solid tackler
May be a bit to slow and lacks great feel for where the receiver is at CB
But at safety it will mostly be all out in front of him and his size would be nice against some of the big TE’s

 

[Miller]

So you're saying a media talking head, who has not NFL football experience, can make a proper determination by watching YouTube video? Or any kind of video.

Listen I’m cool if you want to be stubborn and not learn anything because it doesn’t fit with you throwing out bs all the time but you are just dead wrong. There are many who do the same work as scouts..serious film time and they do it all year. Cosell literally is famous for it and is one of the most respected guys in NFL circles. NFL teams literally pick his brain and come to him. He even has had shows with Jaworski breaking down film. Brugler has been offered jobs on NFL teams but turned then down and prefers to study film on his own and work on the draft vs being with one team. They are more. These aren’t some dude with an opinion on a sports show. But you keep burying your head and throwing out your daily bs

 

[_sturt_]

Although they stick to the board for the most part, they will deviate if a coach feels strongly and puts together a case.

Have never been in a room where a legit NFL team was legit building their legit draft board... I'm sure that will surprise everyone reading this post... but having said that...

I've been in a room where something similar was being built, and I've often been made to wonder if there is some reason the Cowboys (and others) would build their draft board any differently.

That is, it makes sense to rank players based on their positions, and then makes sense to rank positions according to their priority. But in both cases, quite often, there are ties... which, translated, means it's more valid to look at the board as a series of tiers/pools of individuals rather than--as so typically appears on the variety of internet-accessible "big boards"--an outright 1, 2, 3, 4.... 298, 299, 300 ranking of individuals.

So, this conception that one player is the absolute only player that should be an option if one is "choosing strictly by their board" would, given that concept of a board, be highly unlikely.

Further warranting my suspicion that I'm not terribly wrong to presume that is the fact that we all heard Jerry confess that they were deliberating about not two... not three... but six different options at #99.

Seems most likely, based on that comment, that their quantitatively-organized "board" looks much more like a set of tiers than it is some 1-2-3 listing that is commonly imagined... and thus, that's what would naturally allow, if not invite, some degree of substantive discussion as the draft evolves.

 

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[Rockport]

Listen I’m cool if you want to be stubborn and not learn anything because it doesn’t fit with you throwing out bs all the time but you are just dead wrong. There are many who do the same work as scouts..serious film time and they do it all year. Cosell literally is famous for it and is one of the most respected guys in NFL circles. NFL teams literally pick his brain and come to him. He even has had shows with Jaworski breaking down film. Brugler has been offered jobs on NFL teams but turned then down and prefers to study film on his own and work on the draft vs being with one team. They are more. These aren’t some dude with an opinion on a sports show. But you keep burying your head and throwing out your daily bs

What's your NFL experience playing football or being a scout or a coach? I'm not stubborn because I readily admit I have no clue about any of these players no matter how much YouTube videos I watch. You're not man enough to admit the same so who's stubborn?

 

[Miller]

What's your NFL experience playing football or being a scout or a coach? I'm not stubborn because I readily admit I have no clue about any of these players no matter how much YouTube videos I watch. You're not man enough to admit the same so who's stubborn?

What? You need some RIF time. You were saying talking heads on BSPN or whatever immature thing you like to talk about don’t know anything etc. I disproved that because a lot of them know WAY more than just some mouthpiece on TV. Now your asking me my experience? Way to work your way around this and spout inane nonsense to cover for you being wrong. Being a man takes a lot more than being the resident meathead that yells at everyone. I’ll await your next YouTube comment. It’s so manly and proves so much.

 

[Rockport]

What? You need some RIF time. You were saying talking heads on BSPN or whatever immature thing you like to talk about don’t know anything etc. I disproved that because a lot of them know WAY more than just some mouthpiece on TV. Now your asking me my experience? Way to work your way around this and spout inane nonsense to cover for you being wrong. Being a man takes a lot more than being the resident meathead that yells at everyone.

Ok what’s their experience besides watching video? Do they interview these players? Do they talk to their coaches? Do they talk to their teammates? Have they coached? Have they scouted?

 

[Dre11]

This is terrible. No wonder this team makes terrible picks since the Scouting Department and the Coaches are at odds at times during the Draft. They need to do a better job of being on the same page prior to the beginning of the Draft.

it's not that big a deal, all draft rooms have their squabbles the cowboys are one of the better drafting teams, did you see the Philly draft room where 1 off the guys refused to shake Howie hand after a pick

 

[America's Cowboy]

it's not that big a deal, all draft rooms have their squabbles the cowboys are one of the better drafting teams, did you see the Philly draft room where 1 off the guys refused to shake Howie hand after a pick

I didn't see it. Wish I did. Could have enjoyed a good laugh.

 

[Miller]

Ok what’s their experience besides watching video? Do they interview these players? Do they talk to their coaches? Do they talk to their teammates? Have they coached? Have they scouted?

Do you read? First off their is no rule in football that you have to coach or scout to be qualified to be in NFL circles. Also, talking to a player lends no more credence to anything. But I do believe that many of these guys talk to players though. They spend their every waking minute talking to execs, players, watching tape etc because it’s part of their job. As I said earlier Cosell literally has had scouting depts contact him and Brugler has had many NFL teams offer him a job. So they aren’t just talking heads. This was your ignorant statement “Done my media types. And many of them get their initial takes from those BSPN yahoos.” It’s false. So stop posting nonsense if all your going to do when wrong is try and spin in circles. If you enjoy looking ignorant I’m here all day for you.

 

[Rockport]

Do you read? First off their is no rule in football that you have to coach or scout to be qualified to be in NFL circles. Also, talking to a player lends no more credence to anything. But I do believe that many of these guys talk to players though. They spend their every waking minute talking to execs, players, watching tape etc because it’s part of their job. As I said earlier Cosell literally has had scouting depts contact him and Brugler has had many NFL teams offer him a job. So they aren’t just talking heads. This was your ignorant statement “Done my media types. And many of them get their initial takes from those BSPN yahoos.” It’s false. So stop posting nonsense if all your going to do when wrong is try and spin in circles. If you enjoy looking ignorant I’m here all day for you.

Chill dude you'll have a stroke. All I have to say is your bolded statement says it all. Have a good day.

 

[Cowboyny]

Maybe Quinn had some inside info on Wright and the Falcons were high on him and were planning on drafting him in the 4th round. Who knows?

I heard they believe he has Diggs type of ball skills. We know he is big/long, but has to add weight on his small frame. A pet project for Quinn to work with.