Dak vs Justin Fields

[SpaceCowboy99]

$100 dollars bet with anyone...

I bet $100 dollars Justin Fields WILL NOT put up equal to or better numbers than what Dak put up his rookie 2016 season.

Any takers?

That's pretty dumb. Dak had a top 5 RB, #1 offensive line, and one of the best tight end blocker/blankets.

Fields will have to work harder that's for sure. I don't think fields will be any better than Dak but fields on a rookie contract in year 2 will be close enough to Daks output that it won't matter. We could take that money and spend some it on other pieces. Why does Fields have to be a QB that can carry us to a SB? Let's build a team to carry the QB to the SB. Dak is not the QB to carry us either so same plan might as well get the cheaper QB.

Mahomes and Brady got their ring in the 2nd year I believe, both age 24.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's pretty dumb. Dak had a top 5 RB, #1 offensive line, and one of the best tight end blocker/blankets.

Fields will have to work harder that's for sure. I don't think fields will be any better than Dak but fields on a rookie contract in year 2 will be close enough to Daks output that it won't matter. We could take that money and spend some it on other pieces. Why does Fields have to be a QB that can carry us to a SB? Let's build a team to carry the QB to the SB. Dak is not the QB to carry us either so same plan might as well get the cheaper QB.

Mahomes and Brady got their ring in the 2nd year I believe, both age 24.

is that the same TE we had tried to get rid of for several years before and everyone railed about on this board...now he was one of the best TEs!? I guess it fits your narrative...

if Fields is better, a first round talent. then he should be able to win at least 8 games without much help, he should be able to lift the team.....isn't that the argument from most people that the QB should lift the team and win games by himself....

now with that said, chicago has Allen Robinson....and david montgomery....a top 10 WR and a top 5 RB....the OL is pretty good too. a top 10 defense...so Fields should be able to go at least 13-3 and win a playoff game......if he doesn't then he must be a bust...if he can't beat out Dalton, then he is really a bust....

 

[Steve007]

Ryan did. Rodgers did, Eli did....this is the same old tired excuse, if the QB has a large contract they won't go to the superbowl bullshiet..... so in your opinion if a QB doesn't make it to the superbowl in their first 4 or 5 years, they are done!? they shouldn't be given a second contract because they didn't make it on their first contract. and then there were the dak detractors begging for stafford and now you say stafford is not worth it...I wish all you all would get together ina forum put your illogical reasonings together and be consistent....

You are wrong with these examples. They where not the biggest contracts the year the were in the Superbowl. Aaron Rogers won the Superbowl in 2011 and he was the 13 highest paid quarterback that year. Matt Ryan played in the Superbowl in 2017 and he was the forth highest paid that year. Eli manning won in 2008 he was the 5th highest paid in 2012 he was the 9th highest paid quarterback. Dak is the second highest paid qb. I have seen enough of Dak to think that he needs a super team around him to win a Superbowl. He is coming of a bad injury and the Cowboys overpaid for him. The next two years aren't bad in the cap but after that it gets worse. The window is small.

 

[Steve007]

Dak lover....cute..... did you come up with that all by yourself? or did you get some help....that's pathetic!!! let me guess you are what/..12 or 13?

I didn't come up with that term. Dak lovers did. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Let me guess your the sensitive type.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You are wrong with these examples. They where not the biggest contracts the year the were in the Superbowl. Aaron Rogers won the Superbowl in 2011 and he was the 13 highest paid quarterback that year. Matt Ryan played in the Superbowl in 2017 and he was the forth highest paid that year. Eli manning won in 2008 he was the 5th highest paid in 2012 he was the 9th highest paid quarterback. Dak is the second highest paid qb. I have seen enough of Dak to think that he needs a super team around him to win a Superbowl. He is coming of a bad injury and the Cowboys overpaid for him. The next two years aren't bad in the cap but after that it gets worse. The window is small.

oh, nice try at spinning.

of course they were not the largest...or second largest.....the FACT is they all signed contracts that at the time were among top 2, 3, or the highest....subsequent years, they were not given other QBs signed larger contracts, but those QBs made it to the superbowl...

so Dak this year maybe the 2nd highest, FACT is that in few years, he may not even be top 10.....unless you expect Dak to make it to the superbowl this year and that's the whole of your argument?

get it!!!? or you want to try and spin another way....

he will get over his injury....don't worry...... but to use injury as an excuse not to give a contract!!! perhaps they should have taken Brady behind the barn and shot him after he hurt his knee....or maybe do the same with Manning since he hurt his shoulder....and same with Brees who had shoulder issues...

cme on dude....you sound really desparate and have put out the worst argument of Dak detractors yet.....

btw, the cap goes up every year and expected to go up by 20-25% by 2023...wait until you see some of the contracts about to be handed out....it will dwarf Dak's contract...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I didn't come up with that term. Dak lovers did. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Let me guess your the sensitive type.

so Dak lovers came up with the term Dak lover!!! WOW...you are way too funny.

son, you have to do a lot more to hurt my feelings...this is entertainment. football.... nothing about anything will ever hurt my feelings...but you sound like you might!!?

 

[Steve007]

so Dak lovers came up with the term Dak lover!!! WOW...you are way too funny.

son, you have to do a lot more to hurt my feelings...this is entertainment. football.... nothing about anything will ever hurt my feelings...but you sound like you might!!?

I think i did hurt your feelings. Sorry.

 

[Steve007]

oh, nice try at spinning.

of course they were not the largest...or second largest.....the FACT is they all signed contracts that at the time were among top 2, 3, or the highest....subsequent years, they were not given other QBs signed larger contracts, but those QBs made it to the superbowl...

so Dak this year maybe the 2nd highest, FACT is that in few years, he may not even be top 10.....unless you expect Dak to make it to the superbowl this year and that's the whole of your argument?

get it!!!? or you want to try and spin another way....

he will get over his injury....don't worry...... but to use injury as an excuse not to give a contract!!! perhaps they should have taken Brady behind the barn and shot him after he hurt his knee....or maybe do the same with Manning since he hurt his shoulder....and same with Brees who had shoulder issues...

cme on dude....you sound really desparate and have put out the worst argument of Dak detractors yet.....

btw, the cap goes up every year and expected to go up by 20-25% by 2023...wait until you see some of the contracts about to be handed out....it will dwarf Dak's contract...

Go look it up I gave you the pay rank when they went to the SuperBowl. They were not the 2nd or 3rd. The cap will need to up a lot more than 25% to overcome an overpaid quarterback. How do you know he will be 100% over his injury? You don't. Players with a bad injury do not get better. You hope they don't get worse. Don't compare Dak to Breeze or Manning. He isn't in the same level. What is a Dak detractor? Pal, you get too emotional.

 

[Whirlwin]

you don’t

LOL

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think i did hurt your feelings. Sorry.

Sorry...failed.

 

[Steve007]

Sorry...failed.

Brilliant. LOL

 

[America's Cowboy]

That's pretty dumb. Dak had a top 5 RB, #1 offensive line, and one of the best tight end blocker/blankets.

Fields will have to work harder that's for sure. I don't think fields will be any better than Dak but fields on a rookie contract in year 2 will be close enough to Daks output that it won't matter. We could take that money and spend some it on other pieces. Why does Fields have to be a QB that can carry us to a SB? Let's build a team to carry the QB to the SB. Dak is not the QB to carry us either so same plan might as well get the cheaper QB.

Mahomes and Brady got their ring in the 2nd year I believe, both age 24.

Pretty dumb still complaining about it without understanding the repercussions of not signing such an established but still young stud franchise QB.

Dak earned his payday, unlike some others. In 3 years, Dak's new contract will be a good deal compared to other QBs becoming rewarded with new costlier contracts. The key is if you end up with a stud franchise QB during their rookie contract, you make sure to keep him. Chances of finding a better results drafted rookie QB is slim to none. Cowboys made the right choice.

 

[kevm3]

Why draft a guy who might become the guy that Dak already IS? And what if he doesn't become that guy? There's not much more that Justin Fields can do than Dak last year prior to injury when Dak was on pace to break NFL records in passing. Fields isn't coming here and averaging 45 points a game... the main advantage of Fields would be his cheap contract, but we see how the FO wasted Dak's ultra cheap contract... what would they do different with the extra money than hire a bunch of guys who get cut or injured? We didn't see any new approach this offseason to FA... so when it's said and done, Fields wouldn't confer any huge advantage to this organization.

 

[BobbyFlame469]

$100 dollars bet with anyone...

I bet $100 dollars Justin Fields WILL NOT put up equal to or better numbers than what Dak put up his rookie 2016 season.

Any takers?

Good counter argument

bears are a loaded team too no excuses

 

[Typhus]

Yes in hindsight, we should have seen how the draft fell before giving Dak a bloated deal. Fields would have been a great pick at 10.

Yes, I have been an advocate for using Tarot cards and calling the psychic hotline on draft day for decades now it seems.

 

[black label]

can justin beat ogod teams?

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

can justin beat ogod teams?

Lol can Dak?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

$100 dollars bet with anyone...

I bet $100 dollars Justin Fields WILL NOT put up equal to or better numbers than what Dak put up his rookie 2016 season.

Any takers?

Oh wow...really laying on the line there, eh? Justin Fields on that POWERHOUSE juggernaut team? As opposed to Dak's gutter crap team he rookied on?
You belong in Vegas with these kinds of sniper bets.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Pretty dumb still complaining about it without understanding the repercussions of not signing such an established but still young stud franchise QB.

Dak earned his payday, unlike some others. In 3 years, Dak's new contract will be a good deal compared to other QBs becoming rewarded with new costlier contracts. The key is if you end up with a stud franchise QB during their rookie contract, you make sure to keep him. Chances of finding a better results drafted rookie QB is slim to none. Cowboys made the right choice.

Earned his payday? This isn't reward your average QB league. Actually, it is for the cowboys, that's why they are an 8-8 team. They consistently overpay out of ignorance, nostalgia, guilt, all the reasons not to pay a player.

You don't sign a top 5 QB contract unless you know you have a top 5 elite QB. We don't have it. It's not going to happen. Focus on fixing the team and dump your expensive "good" bus driver for the next young contract. Maybe he will be great and if not you can get another 3-4 years of average to good play.

All this stupid arguing goes back to one thing. You guys think he is a "stud", "elite" QB and I don't. Only time will tell but I sure do hope you guys are around in 2-3 years when Dak is still captain can't win.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Go look it up I gave you the pay rank when they went to the SuperBowl. They were not the 2nd or 3rd. The cap will need to up a lot more than 25% to overcome an overpaid quarterback. How do you know he will be 100% over his injury? You don't. Players with a bad injury do not get better. You hope they don't get worse. Don't compare Dak to Breeze or Manning. He isn't in the same level. What is a Dak detractor? Pal, you get too emotional.

wow...you are so honed in on what you want to say that you have forgone comprehension.... so I will type slow and maybe you can follow.... they all signed contracts. at the time they signed they had top 3 contracts or top contracts...SUBSEQUENT years when they went to the superbowl, their contracts weren't the largest...why? because other players signed larger contracts.... thats what I said above...but you are just laser forcused on proving that they didn't have the largest contract when they went to the superbowl, which is what I said as well.... therefore!!! not sure what you are trying to prove there son.....\

so I am still typing slow.....Dak has a large (top 2) contract this year, in a couple of years he won't....because bunch of other QBs are about to sign contracts......follow? or do you I need to type even slower.....

How do I know he will be 100%...I trust the team doctors and the team, not faceless Steve007 on a message board with a Dak hating agenda....

and you are trying oh so hard with this emotional stuff, because you are trying to make this into an emotional argument,..... you are angry. you are not happy. perhaps something else in life and you are bringing it into this argument......you are trying to push this emotional stuff on message board members so in your mind to win an argument and feel like I got to them, or me...

sorry, your feeble attempt at making this an emotional argument fails....this is nothing but entertainment son, don't forget........if cowboys go 0-16, I will be disappointed. if they go 20-0, I will be happy and drink a beer (maybe two).. but seemingly I think if we win a superbowl, your head will explode.....given you are very emotionally invested in Dak failing......not sure why, but we will figure that out. its probably not all about Dak and there is other stuff going on in your life and you are projecting it into this argument

btw, son...just remember if Dak doesn't work out, we go back and draft another one....or sign one in FA and look for the next QB for the team....its really not that important.....don't take it so seriously and don't make it center of your life. like I have been saying, its just entertainment...nothing more. nothing less.