Greeny, I want to be paid!

[Diehardblues]

He just wants out of GB and is using any excuse possible to make it look like it's the organizations fault so he won't upset his brand with the fans of GB.

He runs a great risk. It’s beginning to look like he’s a problem with every coach and situation. Just saying..

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I’m not sure why he doesn’t think Green Bay is a good enough place after back to back championship appearances?

I think a lot of it is the way they go about it. They’d rather draft extra QBs than get A-rod a 1st round WR, RB, TE. He’s been complaining about the lack of weapons for 4-5 years now and the team doesn’t seem to take him seriously because he still puts up great stats. But whenever Davante Adams is injured the team takes a big step back offensively... when have they ever gone after a big name receiver? They draft 5th and 6th round guys and then call it a day. Have not taken a WR in the first in his tenure, only a couple guys in the second round and not one since Davante way back in 2014.

Aaron Rodgers is the reason they make so many NFCCG’s (and the NFC North’s middling). They do have a good D, and decent run game, but no one would be talking about them as a contender if they had any other quarterback.

A little bit lack of building the roster he prefers, and a little bit the acknowledged lack of respect by seemingly intentionally not building the roster he prefers.

 

[Diehardblues]

Every team has holes. All of them.

When your QB is elite it solves nearly all of your problems.

Not all of your problems but it certainly can mask many of them.

 

[CATCH17]

Rodgers is the reason McCarthy is our head coach right now.

Rodgers made him and that shows every single year that passes.

I still can't believe how little effort they put into such a big hire for us.

 

[CATCH17]

He runs a great risk. It’s beginning to look like he’s a problem with every coach and situation. Just saying..

He's a drama queen. Always has been.

If he retires or goes to the AFC that will give me more optimism about our chances this year than any of the players we acquired during the offseason.

 

[DFWJC]

The contrast is just so overwhelming.
People have no idea--can't even fathom--how little draft capital GB has used to help ARod on offense

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Rodgers has NEVER had a 1st round WR or RB
Seems impossible in such a long career, but that is how it is

Just for Perspective

Here are where his current weapons (RB, TE, 3 WR) were drafted
Green Bay
0--1st round
1--2nd rd
2--5th rd
2--Undrafted

Now, here are Dallas'
3--1st round
1--3rd rd
1--4th rd
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Same with the offensive line

Green Bay
0--1st round

Dallas
2--1st rd (and 3 until last year)


Few players have it better than Dak on offense--so we should be glad about that
But regarding this thread, few have had it thinner on offense than Rodgers.

That dude lifts all boats

 

[Diehardblues]

I think a lot of it is the way they go about it. They’d rather draft extra QBs than get A-rod a 1st round WR, RB, TE. He’s been complaining about the lack of weapons for 4-5 years now and the team doesn’t seem to take him seriously because he still puts up great stats. But whenever Davante Adams is injured the team takes a big step back offensively...

Aaron Rodgers is the reason they make so many NFCCG’s (and the NFC North’s middling). They do have a good D, and decent run game, but no one would be talking about them as a contender if they had any other quarterback.

I agree. But there’s worst places he could go.

 

[Diehardblues]

New Orleans might be a good place for him. They didn’t draft a replacement for Brees. They have some weapons.

 

[Reid1boys]

Or maybe Tampa was already good and didn't need to overcome 30 picks and 12 fumbles from the QB position last year like previous.

and again, thank you for making my point. Yep, they were good.... just like 25 other NFL teams. But until they get the QB... they suck.

 

[Reid1boys]

All these teams are similar..

QBs and coaching is what separates teams.

Not defense.. Not skill players.. It’s the QB.

Coaching? nah..... big time overrated. Howd Belichek do last year? How great was Arians prior to Brady? How many SB titles did Andy Reid have on the mantle prior to Mahomes?

 

[Reid1boys]

I’m a huge Brady fan and he no doubt put them over the top but it wouldn’t have happened just anywhere.

Bucs had a good defense. And they had some weapons for Brady. And went out and brought in a couple more. And Arians was a good enough coach to bring it all together.

As always, there’s contributing factors. And none greater than Brady. But he needed some help.

all QBs have to have weapons... but the it slike having an m60 in combat with no ammunition. That weapon is useless without the ammo. Those Wrs are useless without the right QB.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I agree. But there’s worst places he could go.

oh yeah, and I think it’s a bit fueled by the NBA super team culture. On the one hand John Elway never tried to leave the Broncos when they kept losing Super Bowls, he stuck with it. But on the other hand if you believe your team isn’t good enough, should you not be doing everything in your power to win as many championships as possible? Definitely a polarizing situation.

Does Rodgers owe it to GB to stick around, or does GB owe it to Rodgers to acquiesce?

 

[BigD_95]

Greeny today was talking (well its what he does) and I swear he must have been reading my posts. He was saying how he doesnt want to hear about the talent the Packers have put around Rodgers. He said that QBs like Rodgers have put all those surrounding players kids' in private schools. That it is RODGERS that made the pack good, and if you put an avg QB on the pack that team would be 7-9.

Hello.... its what Ive been saying fopr years. These GMs, coaches, WRs, RBs...... they are fall within that bell shaped curve. Theya re all good, but none are significantly better than anyone else..... uneil the HOF QB is on the roster. Then all of the sudden that coach is just a little bit smarter than the others. That GM is just a little bit better.... those scouts are just a little bit better...... and.. here it is.......... The owner must be great. He must not get involved. He hires coaches and lets them coach.... bahahahahhahahahahahahhah

QB, it starts and ends right there and it was absolutely proven beyond any doubt last season when a 72 year old Tom Brady joined a Bucs team that had been below avg for a very long time went out and won a SB, AGAIN!

Those summer coaching classes that Arians took last year must have really paid off. Hes great!

then why havent the Cowboys been doing better with Dak? He is being paid more than Rodgers.

 

[Reid1boys]

When you're lucky enough to have a potential HOF QB playing at a high level, give him the best talent, keep him happy and stay the hell out his way, not that hard IMO. Packs using a 1st round on QB last made no sense at all ..........but I've read/heard bits and pieces the last couple of years that some in their FO are ready to move on. As one tweet suggested, yes he's a HOFer but he's also high maintenance.

high maintenance? who cares. If your job is to win in the NFL, and really winning is ALL THAT MATTERS.... you put up with A LOT.

 

[Reid1boys]

Talent is the greatest factor. Great coaching assembles talent.

There’s a reason Jimmy goes from 1-15 to Back to Back. Then struggles making playoffs with next team. Talent!!!!!

Bingo... Jimmy was a great coach... but he was worthless without the right players.

 

[Diehardblues]

oh yeah, and I think it’s a bit fueled by the NBA super team culture. On the one hand John Elway never tried to leave the Broncos when they kept losing Super Bowls, he stuck with it. But on the other hand if you believe your team isn’t good enough, should you not be doing everything in your power to win as many championships as possible? Definitely a polarizing situation.

Does Rodgers owe it to GB to stick around, or does GB owe it to Rodgers to acquiesce?

I think Packers have enough to stay in place. They have showed over the years to be a strong contender almost every year.

I’d like to think there’s some loyalty on both sides but perhaps not .It’s a risk to both parting ways.

 

[Reid1boys]

Salary cap league.. This ain’t Jimmy’s league.. Cowboy fans still don’t get it.

Bingo.... so tired of the complaints about Jerry.... the league changed drastically. Salary Cap does its' job very well. The Salary Cap is easily the biggest equalizer in all of sports. Imagine what the NBA would look like if it had a hard cap.

 

[Diehardblues]

Bingo... Jimmy was a great coach... but he was worthless without the right players.

I wouldn’t say worthless , but not as effective.

 

[Reid1boys]

The OP is correct.

There is no doubt that a HOF QB is much, much more important than a good head coach.

Belichick’s career record without Brady is 61-72 with only 1 playoff win.

Ive been saying this forever.... ESPECIALLY in regards to Bellichek. Im not saying he is not good.... but it is also very similar to Nick Saban. hes good, but he's not better by miles than many of those big time D1 coaches. But when you have NFL players at so many positions... that third and 8 run up the middle that gains 9 yards makes you look like a genius. Same play called with Western Oregon and you are fired for that crap.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ive been saying this forever.... ESPECIALLY in regards to Bellichek. Im not saying he is not good.... but it is also very similar to Nick Saban. hes good, but he's not better by miles than many of those big time D1 coaches. But when you have NFL players at so many positions... that third and 8 run up the middle that gains 9 yards makes you look like a genius. Same play called with Western Oregon and you are fired for that crap.

But that’s where good coaching and recruiting come in cause someone has to assemble and have an eye for talent .