Dak gets another Top 5 ranking

[CowboyRoy]

I'm saying that we will be lucky if Dak can be as consistent as Kirk has been.

I mean, the numbers 100% say Kirk is better, but I'd still take Dak because of age.

but I'd still take Dak because of age

Wait a minute!!!!!!!

So you agree Dak is better and you are still arguing that kirk is better? And to boot, you are trying to use "STATS" which you claim are "hollow" to prove your point?

Sounds like troll behavior and contradiction to me. You are running around in circles now.

I ask you one simple question about who is the better QB and your entire argument falls apart.

 

[DogFace]

Of course you will, because you can't prove me wrong.

(He can’t force you to not change the dumb look)

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Even with losing Marshawn, even with “losing his defense”, as you say, Russell Wilson has 9 winning seasons in 9 years. Peyton Never did that, he had a few clunkers early. Montana actually has 4 losing seasons in which started at least 1 game.

The only other player in NFL history to match Russell’s streak is Tom Brady. It’s pretty unbelievable. 98 wins in 9 years. If he goes 12-4 again, he’ll average 11 wins a season. Seahawks may have good coaching and roster development, but that takes of a lot of good QBing to maintain

This dude's team has a running back playing QB

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There is a stat ESPN came up with called total quarterback rating, or QBR. This stat specifically quantifies how a player does on third and fourth downs; in the third or fourth quarter, and particularly evens out what players do while they’re within 1 score vs putting up “garbage time stats”.

Despite putting up at least somewhat similar stats over Dak’s career, Dak has 4 of his 5 QBR years over 70. That’s a very good score, as he is a very good quarterback.

Kirk, on the other hand, has put up a 56 in his last year in Washington, a 59, a 60, and a 63 in his 3 Minny years. The things people say about Dak garbage time stat padding is twofold on Cousins.

He is playing with a deficit (despite often having better defenses than Dak, particularly in Minnesota), and trying to claw his team back from a home they often ultimately lose, as shown by the fact he now has 4 losing seasons in his 8 years starting multiple games. Whether or not you consider Dak a winner, Kirk is something less than what Prescott is labeled, and the stats show that.

QBR, PFF, etc are flawed analysis, but they’re handy for specific interactions like this

he doesn't want to use these stats, it doesn't fit his argument. he will use them another argument if it fits his point of view....

 

[CowboyRoy]

funny that he has hitched his wagon to Cousins....

I ask him point blank who he likes better and he clams up and says Dak. LOL

And he wonders why people call him a troll. Hilarious.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

but when that same argument was made for Dak, people pointed to playoff and the OL....now playoff record doesn't matter and Seattle's defense and Lynch don't matter. I don't get it....and when I mention Peyton and his 0-4 playoff record his first 5 years, people get upset that I am comparing Peyton to Dak...so are you comparing Peyton to Wilson?

so the goal post moves again....because its convenient for the argument at hand

I am comparing Peyton to wilson. Why are you blaming me for moving goal posts based on things other people said to you? is that not literally you moving goalposts... Changing the rhetoric based on nothing I’ve said

and playoff record always matters. All things always matter

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You have the burden of proof. The article and any other list has Dak in front of Cousins.

How about you start out by showing me ONE list that has Cousins in front of Dak? Whats the matter? Cant do it? Im just asking for one. We can start there.

I don't care about lists. Anybody can make a list. You and I can both make lists. They don't matter.

I'm looking at production and consistency. When you look at those two factors everything shows that Kirk has been a more productive and consistent QB then Dak has so far. Dak can change that, but he's now 5 years in with only 1 season that compares to the average Kirk Cousins season. My thoughts can change when/if Dak puts up those types of numbers year in and year out.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He's the second highest paid player in the NFL. So, you want him compared to which super bowl winning Qb? Dude has 1 playoff win.

Subtract out his rookie year in 2016 and he's 4 games over .500 over the last 4 seasons.

so, given now you are using salary rankings, in about 2 years he probably will have the 10th highest salary. does it mean that we can compare him to other types of QB? you know salaries go up every year. Allan, Jackson, Wilson, are all up for a new contract.....

and I find it funny, subtract his rookie year, because it fits your argument...lets just help you out here. lets take games played at 4PM, on grass, north of mississipi, against AFC teams...his record is dismal. I think its 2-9....that's just down right awful...

no, I got one better...lets take out every game he has won...his record is 0-26....the dude plain sucks

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Well thats your problem right there. You think that QB's just "give hardware". "Is that simple enough"? LOL

NO, its definitely not that simple. There is a little thing called coaching, defense, special teams, injuries, other teams, ect......ect......

Nice Roy!

I did condense things a bit. Remain calm. I understand all the factors having been following the organization since 1966. I have no problems. Many on this board have problems trying to read BS into a post that isn't really there.

Tell me Roy, is the QB the most important player on the field? Did we credit Aikman and Staubach with our SB wins? (most did while still realizing the team concept is the real cause of any winning program or championship). Are you so caught up in defending the honor of Dak Prescott that you belittle other fan's posts like they just don't get it? Can you agree I said nothing "wrong"?

And yes, it is that simple . . . give me championship level QB play, carry the team on your back sometimes, shine above your peers. Nothing wrong with ANY of that . . . NOTHING! It's a COwboy fan's hope and desire.

I can guarantee you I don't have a problem about the Cowboys or their QB. Not one.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

This dude's team has a running back playing QB

a running back who throws 4600 yards is a pretty good running back

 

[atlantacowboy]

I wondered about his career winning % vs others over the same period. That has to say something or no?

Also, the Cowboys poor D has something to do with the playoff wins, or no?

Seems like he played pretty well in the playoffs...what are those numbers?

What "others"? He played well against Seattle and poorly against the LA Rams. He played poor the first half vs GB and good in the second half in the GB loss. He's 9-11 over the past 2 seasons. We lost to just about every team over .500 in 2019 with the 11th ranked defense. So, no, you can't blame the defense if you are looking at Dak's career. The defense was bad last year, but he only played 4 games. It has been very respectable over the previous 4 years of his career. How much more support does Dak need to win? He already has one of the best offenses in the NFL around him. Now he also needs the top ranked defense?

Nobody in the NFL has been given more than Dak and nobody has more to prove.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

but I'd still take Dak because of age

Wait a minute!!!!!!!

So you agree Dak is better and you are still arguing that kirk is better? And to boot, you are trying to use "STATS" which you claim are "hollow" to prove your point?

Sounds like troll behavior and contradiction to me. You are running around in circles now.

I ask you one simple question about who is the better QB and your entire argument falls apart.

I literally said I think Kirk is better.

Age is a factor, of course.

I'd take Dak over a couple other QBs that I think are clearly better then him because of age. I'd rather have Dak for the long run over guys that MIGHT have 2 or 3 good years left in them.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't care about lists. Anybody can make a list. You and I can both make lists. They don't matter.

I'm looking at production and consistency. When you look at those two factors everything shows that Kirk has been a more productive and consistent QB then Dak has so far. Dak can change that, but he's now 5 years in with only 1 season that compares to the average Kirk Cousins season. My thoughts can change when/if Dak puts up those types of numbers year in and year out.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true.

how has kirk cousin been more productive? he has played more years and has done less all around....Dak has 4 more years to catch up with Cousin, so perhaps we should compare kirk's first 4 years against Dak's. wouldn't that be a more fair comparison. wait...cousin was a back up on his team. couldn't get on the field unless injury happened to starter. he couldn't beat out the great Robert Griffin...

btw, Cousins first 4900 season came in his 5th year in the league....

lets see how Dak does over the next 4 years and then we can compare notes....

 

[The Fonz]

The age of stats.. everyone is a hero and a top winner

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Those that know about NFL QB's know he's at least top 5 and moving up.

what do NFL front offices, scouts and personnel evaluators know about QBs...pffhh... what do former football players now analysts know about football...just tell them to talk to MountaineerCowboy and Leeblair.....they will tell you the truth

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

but I'd still take Dak because of age

Wait a minute!!!!!!!

So you agree Dak is better and you are still arguing that kirk is better? And to boot, you are trying to use "STATS" which you claim are "hollow" to prove your point?

Sounds like troll behavior and contradiction to me. You are running around in circles now.

I ask you one simple question about who is the better QB and your entire argument falls apart.

he always uses stats that fit his argument, then dismisses other stats that he has used in the past. its a circular argument.

 

[Rockport]

Why do you feel he’s on the downside of his career? Because he put up statistically the best season he’s ever had? Or because his team just won 12 games in a division that’s seen 2 of the last 3 Super Bowl participants?

No one beats Father Time except maybe
Brady.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

No one beats Father Time except maybe
Brady.

I see your point, 32 is pretty ancient for a QB In his era

 

[Rockport]

Prove me wrong.

Read the OP.

 

[blueblood70]

These days it's really hard to find anyone who don't rank him from #5-7. Sure we weren't winning, but Quarterbacks have struggled even under good conditions - and with good receivers. (like Kirk Cousins has a really good supporting cast, but he's still middle of the pack)

Dak was ripping it in all of the games he actually played in last year. The only one he looked merely decent was against the #1 defense.... the Rams. I can totally see why he's Top 5. Everyone else but the Top 6 has looked horrible at times last year.


https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/6/1/22445936/nfl-quarterbacks-ranked-2021-qb-rankings-starters


No. 5: Dak Prescott — Cowboys
It’s so weird to think of a Dallas Cowboys quarterback flying under the radar, but it feels like Prescott is the best quarterback people don’t really talk about when it comes to the NFL’s best passers. This is probably due (in part) to a year of Cowboys fans saying Dak wasn’t that good because he didn’t sign a low-ball offer, now needing to pivot into championing him again.

No. 4: Deshaun Watson — Texans
Honestly, I don’t know what Watson’s situation will be in 2021. There’s a pending league investigation into allegations of sexual assault, and that could mean he’s suspended for a significant amount of time. However, if we look purely at on-field play he remains one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, even on the league’s most dysfunctional roster.

No. 3: Tom Brady — Bucs
Brady is past the point where he’ll be a stat-stuffing God, but until someone else proves it he’s still the best pure winner at the position in football. With the support around him in Tampa Bay, there’s nothing preventing him from having another great season, perhaps even taking the Buccaneers back to the Super Bowl.

No. 2: Patrick Mahomes — Chiefs
It’s Pat Mahomes. Nuff said, really. Seriously though, crushing Super Bowl loss aside, the Chiefs have made moves to get Mahomes more protection, which feels like the only thing holding him back from throwing for 5,000 yards a season like it’s nothing.

No. 1: Aaron Rodgers — Packers
Rodgers is the reigning MVP, sure — but this is also a product of him doing so much with such little support. For Rodgers to actually be the top quarterback again in 2021 could depend on where he plays, but I have a feeling enough will be done to keep him in Green Bay and get him some help.

Im sorry list is already suspect when Russell Wilson not in the top 5 hes top 5 rolling out pof bed..someone's got to go, who is it,.hmmm

has to Be DW or DP..........who goes....for me both are 6-7 as you could debate Allen into that list other QBs..the real issues is 5-10 there truly isnt a lot of separation, period.

Fans will vote THIER QB in but Big ben dont poo poo his age and looking like dough armed man child, check his last season numbers 33-10 with suspect OL and no real RUN game started 11-0 yet hes being phased out LMAO, if this is stat game hes still playing at high level just not elite.. , Cousins, some up and comers like Herbert and Cincis QB..Murray et cetc like i said 1-5 not hard to fill in but at 5-10 not a lot of difference..flip a coin..