Dak gets another Top 5 ranking

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, yes there is. It's a fact that Cousins has a 67.0 completion percentage, Dak 66.0. Dak's is not better. That's the fact.

Cousins has 5 of 6 seasons with over 4,000 yards passing, 83%, Dak 1 of 4, 25%, (not including last year of course). Dak's is not better. That's the fact.

Cousin's rating for his career is 97.9, Dak's is 97.3. Not a statistically significant difference, obviously, but better is a fact.

So Dak's stats are not ALL better....

well, its nice to see that you flip flop back and forth in which period you measure stats.

Cousins while in DC had a 65% completion rate (first 5 years)....but yeah, you go ahead and look at the nine year span for this measure
, then switch to 5 of 6 seasons at the end of his career to compare his passing yards. his first 4 years, he had 1....perhaps we wait and see how Dak does the next 4 years

couldnt' find the career QBR ratings, but 2016-2019 (excluding 2020 of course), Dak had better QBR than cousing 3 out of 4 years....his best career QBR was a 67.8, Dak had 77.6 and twice in the 70's...

so I Suggest you start a team with cousins as your center piece QB....given you seem to think he is so much better. build your championship team starting there.

 

[Future]

Here's what happens if you use the last 5 seasons' per game averages and extrapolate them over a 16-game season.

Kirk: 4,289 Yards, 29 Passing TDs, 11 INT
Dak: 4,089 Yards, 25 Passing TDs, 9 INT

4 Seasons:

Kirk: 4,0129 Yards, 30 Passing TDs, 11 INT
Dak: 4,2016 Yards, 25 Passing TDs, 11 INT

3 Seasons:

Kirk: 4,100 Yards, 31 Passing TDs, 10 INT
Dak: 4,600 Yards, 26 Passing TDs, 10 INT

If you account for a) Dak's rushing TDs and b) the fact that passing TDs are often dictated by playcalling and YAC, and their age/trajectory, Dak's the better QB in a landslide. It's not even close.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

KIRK HASN'T REACHED THOSE NUMBERS EITHER LMAO

He has literally never had a 4300 yard, 30 TD, 10 INT season.

Can someone help this poster out?

I have explained what "around" means by definition, but he clearly still can't grasp it. Can anyone else maybe explain it better? Because I'm stumped.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What stats are you referring to exactly that Dak has better?

You said "across the board" but that is 100% false. So what ones?

comparing equals to equals his first 5 year to Dak's first 5 years....but I have seen you compare Peyton Manning career to Dak's first 4 years...and similarly.....their first 5 years in the league, Dak has clearly out performed Mr. Cousins....but do like your friend did, using a 9 year career comparison to a 5 year and comparing the last 6 years of cousins performance (ignoring the first 3)...kind of spinning things into fitting it into you argument isn't it?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There we go again with "HE" needs to win games.. LOL.... In case you didn't notice, we were shackled to the freckled puppet (garrett) for the first half of Prescott's career and last year we had the worst defense in NFL history.. BUT, go ahead and stay with the "HE" needs to do it all himself bit...

btw, he was one of the loudest Garrett critics on this board. he hated garrett more than he hates dak...go figure.

 

[Future]

Can someone help this poster out?

I have explained what "around" means by definition, but he clearly still can't grasp it. Can anyone else maybe explain it better? Because I'm stumped.

I wish I could use 4-letter words to tell you how dumb you are.

Saying he's "around" numbers he's literally never hit every year is stupid. It's the same thing as me saying Dak is around a 5,000 yard quarterback lol.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Because Dak has only played 4 seasons, because it was 5 years ago, because it's the outlier. I could go on. If you want to include that one, then you have to extrapolate the numbers that Dak had this season to give them both 5 seasons. You don't want to do that.

It's an entirely irrelevant season when comparing it to Dak.

But why count Daks 2016 and not Cousins 2016?

I mean, again, I know why, but the fact that you just ignore it because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen lol

You can't fake Daks numbers to what you think he would have gotten either. That's not how this works. That's a false narrative.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Why are you only using the last 4 years? Because if you said the last 5 years it would include a 4,900 yard year, so you just want to leave that one out like it didn't happen huh?

So, please tell me how 4,100, 4,300, 4,300, 3,600, and 4,900 (all rounded because easier on the eyes) does not equal around 4,300 when you average it out?

Actually, you can't say that about Dak, because Dak has never reached those numbers, therefore it's not possible to have those numbers as a reference point. Also, this is not what Kirk Cousins was "on pace" for. These are real numbers and not hypothetical made up numbers, so no, you cannot say that about Dak because it's just flat out false.

in reality based on the round up numbers its 4240, but since you rounded up, if we didn't then it would be 4235....but hey, I am a strickler for math...so what about his first 4 years?

and I will wait another 4 years see how Dak does when he has played 9 years in the league....but hey, you want to compare apples and oranges go right ahead. its what you do

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

comparing equals to equals his first 5 year to Dak's first 5 years....but I have seen you compare Peyton Manning career to Dak's first 4 years...and similarly.....their first 5 years in the league, Dak has clearly out performed Mr. Cousins....but do like your friend did, using a 9 year career comparison to a 5 year and comparing the last 6 years of cousins performance (ignoring the first 3)...kind of spinning things into fitting it into you argument isn't it?

You want to compare season when Cousins wasn't even starting to seasons where Dak started? That's embarrassing. I could at least admit that I'm wrong if I was, but instead you just keep saying nonsense. I hope everyone see this, so they can see just how out of reality some are willing to go to defend certain players.

Give up on this one.

P.S. You HAVE NOT seen me compare Manning to Dak at any point. You are confusing me with another user.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

in reality based on the round up numbers its 4240, but since you rounded up, if we didn't then it would be 4235....but hey, I am a strickler for math...so what about his first 4 years?

and I will wait another 4 years see how Dak does when he has played 9 years in the league....but hey, you want to compare apples and oranges go right ahead. its what you do

If that was true you wouldn't be saying 90% of the things you are.

But maybe statistics is not your strong suit.

 

[DeaconMoss]

P.S. You HAVE NOT seen me compare Manning to Dak at any point. You are confusing me with another user.

Who is comparing Dak to a Manning? Top 5 Dak doesn't want to get in a throwing contest with either of those guys. Today. Much less when they were playing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I was hoping you'd say that! I specifically brought up team failure just so I could catch you up in something.

When you started blaming all the teams lack of success on Cousins performance I knew right then I had you. Because we both know how much you blame everyone else but Dak when I try to point out how his play is part of the reason this team hasn't reach it's goals.

You have got to pick a side. You have got to keep the same energy, Is it the team or the QB? You can't pick and chose to fit your narrative.

oh, so you kind of trolled...right. just put out something you didn't believe in so that you can come back with this!!! wow....you really showed a lot of character there...

and I don't blame everyone else. I have been quite clear on that on several posts. but if you choose to ignore, then that's your choice. I have said and said it many time including to you directly, that I don't blame all the losses on Dak, but some losses he has had a bigger hand in than others.... but your main comeback every time has been, but playoff success, wins/losses, 2019 season. clearly placing end results on Dak.

wins/losses are always team...I have never said otherwise. you have said very clearly on many occasions that wins/losses are on Dak...not in those words, but when you say Dak couldn't win this game or that...its pretty much the same thing.

and it sounds like you have been waiting to set up something so you can come back with "pick and choose your narrative" given I have caught you on many occasions doing that , and seemingly it didn't sit well with you....

so you don't like when I use my logic. you don't like me using your logic to prove you wrong....not sure where things stand, given no matter which logic you just won't accept the facts...your choice

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Kirk's "average" over the last 4 years is 4,064. If 300 yards is your idea of "around" then idk. Dak's average per year over his first 4 seasons is 3944. If Kirk Cousins is "around" 4,300 yards, then so is Dak even before last year lol.

It's not a point of reference because it's not real, and it certainly doesn't prove that Cousins is better or whatever.

Just an altogether dumb point.

oh, you don't understand, in one case he they round up, by a couple of hundred. in Dak's case, they roudn down by a couple of hundred. then they choose an exact period of time ignoring everything else to prove something (not sure what).

so I help them out once in a while. for example Dak really sucks in games played at 4:00 PM, north of mississipi, against AFC teams on grass. his record is a dismal 2-9..... see Dak sucks. LOL

 

[Future]

But why count Daks 2016 and not Cousins 2016?

I mean, again, I know why, but the fact that you just ignore it because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen lol

You can't fake Daks numbers to what you think he would have gotten either. That's not how this works. That's a false narrative.

IT IS FOUR SEASONS. If you're keeping track at home, that's how many full seasons Dak has played.

The number four is one less than five, and one more than three. If you start counting on your thumb, it's the one when you hit the ring finger.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't care about lists. Anybody can make a list. You and I can both make lists. They don't matter.

I'm looking at production and consistency. When you look at those two factors everything shows that Kirk has been a more productive and consistent QB then Dak has so far. Dak can change that, but he's now 5 years in with only 1 season that compares to the average Kirk Cousins season. My thoughts can change when/if Dak puts up those types of numbers year in and year out.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true.

LOL...............there's my proof. EVERY single list by EVERY single expert has Dak better than Cousins. Just for starters. WHATCHU GOT?

Other then a reputation for being a Dak hater. Your opinion is disqualified on that fact alone. Why would anyone care about YOUR list?

But I will make sure to remind you that you like Cousins more than Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If that was true you wouldn't be saying 90% of the things you are.

But maybe statistics is not your strong suit.

those are based on the numbers you provided and the actual numbers over the past few years....but you are taking offense to your own method!!! here we go again...you don't like your own logic used against you.... same as always

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nice Roy!

I did condense things a bit. Remain calm. I understand all the factors having been following the organization since 1966. I have no problems. Many on this board have problems trying to read BS into a post that isn't really there.

Tell me Roy, is the QB the most important player on the field? Did we credit Aikman and Staubach with our SB wins? (most did while still realizing the team concept is the real cause of any winning program or championship). Are you so caught up in defending the honor of Dak Prescott that you belittle other fan's posts like they just don't get it? Can you agree I said nothing "wrong"?

And yes, it is that simple . . . give me championship level QB play, carry the team on your back sometimes, shine above your peers. Nothing wrong with ANY of that . . . NOTHING! It's a COwboy fan's hope and desire.

I can guarantee you I don't have a problem about the Cowboys or their QB. Not one.

QB is the most important position on offense. He doesnt do diddly for the defense or the special teams.

I never credited Aikman or Staubach. Fans that dont understand the game credit QB's. Some certainly deserve more credit than others.

Aikman pretty much drove the bus. Couldnt even win a game without Emmitt. When Oline faded and his weapons faded, Aikman was pretty much useless. Great leader and great arm on the short to medium stuff.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

KIRK HASN'T REACHED THOSE NUMBERS EITHER LMAO

He has literally never had a 4300 yard, 30 TD, 10 INT season.

actually he has had one...well, basically one 4297, 30,10...but 30 was the highest of his career...but MC likes to generalize and round up...his other seasons he as at 25, 26, 27 including his 4900 yard season....you know basically 25 is same as 30 so that its easier on the eye as he said.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I literally said I think Kirk is better.

Age is a factor, of course.

I'd take Dak over a couple other QBs that I think are clearly better then him because of age. I'd rather have Dak for the long run over guys that MIGHT have 2 or 3 good years left in them.

You think Cousins is better. GOT IT!!

Just want to get the record straight when you try to deny it later.

 

[CowboyRoy]

he always uses stats that fit his argument, then dismisses other stats that he has used in the past. its a circular argument.

Not hard to pick out a biased hater. They contradict themselves all the time.