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[TheMarathonContinues]

The defense didn't get many turnovers early, but the offense was 2nd in the league(to Philadelphia)in turnovers during that time. The perfect recipe for a bad team.

OH I agree. Dak and Zeke were turning over at a insane rate especially in that Falcons game.

I just don't believe that rids the defense of blame. Not saying it doesn't. But I don't believe a defense should give up 7 just because the offense put them in bad field position. That seems to be what some think for whatever reason.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That post was directed towards the poster I was replying to. Thanks for your input though.

Look if you want to have a private conversation.....start a conversation. Otherwise when you comment it's for everyone. To reply of their choosing. Thanks for your input though.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

OH I agree. Dak and Zeke were turning over at a insane rate especially in that Falcons game.

I just don't believe that rids the defense of blame. Not saying it doesn't. But I don't believe a defense should give up 7 just because the offense put them in bad field position. That seems to be what some think for whatever reason.

But let's go ahead an make it easier on them. You are making excuses their. "Field position" is a real thing....you can't dismiss just because you don't want to lay any blame on the offense. It's been said WE....have the opposite problem...we can't seem to get prime field position always starting way back.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There’s no confusion. I was asking you a question about your confusion?

LOL...so you asked a question in order to clarify my "confusion", eh?

I assure you there wasn't any confusion on my part whatsoever. What made you think it was me that was confused?

I...am honest.....if I was confused I would have said so. You don't have to make up anything...trying to dig something up.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

make mistakes that led to losses ie blame zeke for his fumbles but daks off the hook around here..yet this game and others his TOS and mistakes lead to looses but his yardage playing catchup from them well that was big deal..

we were leading or tops in the league in TOS all year including he ones dak started and his TOS were every bit as bad as Zekes..and yes it piled on an already bad defense but hey blame zeke and the defense..

See rocy......there's no confusion here....just yours...being coy rather. blueblood was able to EASILY clarify YOUR confusion.

 

[Cowpolk]

There’s no confusion. I was asking you a question about your confusion?

Confusion confuses me

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Look if you want to have a private conversation.....start a conversation. Otherwise when you comment it's for everyone. To reply of their choosing. Thanks for your input though.

Nah I get it. It wasn't a private conversation. I was just letting you know what it was. You jumped in and were confused so I was just helping direct you to the correct path. Your input was welcome but yeah it wasn't really needed there. Its cool.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But let's go ahead an make it easier on them. You are making excuses their. "Field position" is a real thing....you can't dismiss just because you don't want to lay any blame on the offense. It's been said WE....have the opposite problem...we can't seem to get prime field position always starting way back.

Field position wasn't the problem of the defense. Offenses had no problem going 90 yards on our defense. It didn't matter where the field position was at for the defense. THey were getting scored on. You can pretend to be naive to that to ttry and make a point that Dak is a problem but its a point falling on deaf ears.

And for the record i'm one of the people that thought the team was a issue collectively. From the top to the bottom. SO if you want to run with the narrative that the offense held this team back then go with it but its not entirely true. No one aspect of this game caused this team to struggle last year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL...so you asked a question in order to clarify my "confusion", eh?

I assure you there wasn't any confusion on my part whatsoever. What made you think it was me that was confused?

I...am honest.....if I was confused I would have said so. You don't have to make up anything...trying to dig something up.

You have to be confused if you thought Dak didn't throw passes behind receivers....what quarterback doesn't?

 

[DandyDon1722]

Oh of course Dak makes mistakes lol. If he thought Dak didn’t then he’s out of touch. Mahomes even makes mistakes as does Aaron Rodgers. Their special teams and defenses seem to bail them out when they make mistakes though.

Case in point.

Tom Brady has thrown 3 INT's in THREE Championship games, won them all and went on to win the Super Bowl. That is almost hard to believe.

We haven't had that luxury around here since Aikman.

 

[blueblood70]

Field position wasn't the problem of the defense. Offenses had no problem going 90 yards on our defense. It didn't matter where the field position was at for the defense. THey were getting scored on. You can pretend to be naive to that to ttry and make a point that Dak is a problem but its a point falling on deaf ears.

And for the record i'm one of the people that thought the team was a issue collectively. From the top to the bottom. SO if you want to run with the narrative that the offense held this team back then go with it but its not entirely true. No one aspect of this game caused this team to struggle last year.

yes but particularly this game cant be blamed on the defense

lets recap Dak INT on our side of the field led to a TD , then next possession a fumble inside the phreaking 10yard line ours led to 7 points, after that next possession punt so while the game was tight nearly a tie the entire first half until, those 3 possessions did what? put us down by 15 thats what..

add the ST missed XP. after one score then the offense misses a 2pnt conversion

lets add that up

a missed 16-17 points all on offense and ST

add in false starts, zeke dropped few passes some hard ones but still...

so we scored 31 an lost by one score..well would the offense had needed more then 31 if they had not been the root cause of the loss..

this is just one but there are more where the defense is blamed for given up 28-31 points game and OMG if only they held the score down the offense wouldn't have needed to get over 30..welp the offense is one of the issue last season in needing those plus 30 games..
and yes Dak was part of some of them..

while zeke is fried essentially for two bad games where he had lost those 4 fumbles b2b this game and other Daks off the hook..

thats the point.

last year mostly blamed the defense , keep heralding Daks stats pre injury but really it was just a bad team that led to 6-10 and all of the players and coaches contributed to it..

we know it mostly was Injury yet Zeke and the defense get the most hate..yet we need reminder dak and that offense made plenty of their own mistakes..

we win this game without daks mistakes..would have been big for the divisions not that it matters but this is just one example..

 

[pupulehaole]

wait dak threw an INT led to 7 right before halftime and then first drive fumbles at the FIVE..huh so 14 of those points from that games that is out on the defense were actually on dak..

od dhow fans memorys forget these things and blame that 30+ all on defense.. i mean what i guess given the defense two very short fields they are expected to shut down RW and hawks potent offense??

160mil Brilliant ) jk

Yah we should have paid Dalton... So much better....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Case in point.

Tom Brady has thrown 3 INT's in THREE Championship games, won them all and went on to win the Super Bowl. That is almost hard to believe.

We haven't had that luxury around here since Aikman.

EXACTLY.

And that's exactly my point.

Its not that Dak shouldn't be held accountable for his mistakes. Its that people think he shouldn't make mistakes and its just not realistic.

Its like Eli Manning in those Super Bowl runs...you think it didn't benefit Eli Manning knowing he had a defense that had the ability to get sacks and bail him out if he threw a turnover?

Its a luxury that Dak didn't have nor did Romo. And now you want to factor in the special team sucks too? I'm not sure why its hard for some to grasp but I suspect its because they don't want to grasp it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

yes but particularly this game cant be blamed on the defense

lets recap Dak INT on our side of the field led to a TD , then next possession a fumble inside the phreaking 10yard line ours led to 7 points, after that next possession punt so while the game was tight nearly a tie the entire first half until, those 3 possessions did what? put us down by 15 thats what..

add the ST missed XP. after one score then the offense misses a 2pnt conversion

lets add that up

a missed 16-17 points all on offense and ST

add in false starts, zeke dropped few passes some hard ones but still...

so we scored 31 an lost by one score..well would the offense had needed more then 31 if they had not been the root cause of the loss..

this is just one but there are more where the defense is blamed for given up 28-31 points game and OMG if only they held the score down the offense wouldn't have needed to get over 30..welp the offense is one of the issue last season in needing those plus 30 games..
and yes Dak was part of some of them..

while zeke is fried essentially for two bad games where he had lost those 4 fumbles b2b this game and other Daks off the hook..

thats the point.

last year mostly blamed the defense , keep heralding Daks stats pre injury but really it was just a bad team that led to 6-10 and all of the players and coaches contributed to it..

we know it mostly was Injury yet Zeke and the defense get the most hate..yet we need reminder dak and that offense made plenty of their own mistakes..

we win this game without daks mistakes..would have been big for the divisions not that it matters but this is just one example..

Once again, just because your offense turns the ball over doesn't give your defense the pass to give up a touchdown.

You acknowledge that we had special team issues, coaching errors, dropped footballs....yet you acknowledge if not for Dak's mistakes we win. Well crap you can say that about every aspect of that game. IF specail teams was bettert that game we win. If the defense was better win. If the coaching was better we win.

If you think Dak is going to go into next season never fumbling or throwing zero picks...just get your threads ready.

At the end of the day a quarterback throwing a interception or fumble is going to happen. Missing extra points will happen but shouldn't.

 

[DandyDon1722]

EXACTLY.

And that's exactly my point.

Its not that Dak shouldn't be held accountable for his mistakes. Its that people think he shouldn't make mistakes and its just not realistic.

Its like Eli Manning in those Super Bowl runs...you think it didn't benefit Eli Manning knowing he had a defense that had the ability to get sacks and bail him out if he threw a turnover?

Its a luxury that Dak didn't have nor did Romo. And now you want to factor in the special team sucks too? I'm not sure why its hard for some to grasp but I suspect its because they don't want to grasp it.

Yep - and your point about the Giants is the best example of all.

Although their regular season defenses were poor, in both the 2007 and 2011 Super Bowl years, Eli rode two historic defensive runs. The Giants defense gave up an average of 15.5 PPG combined in both years, the lowest defensive playoff total since the 2000 Ravens which was an all time defense.

Add to the fact that Eli got away with three dropped INT's by the 49er's secondary in the 2011 Championship game is enough to make you sick but it just goes to show that teams not only can but have to carry QB's sometimes.

You can throw in some good fortune too.

 

[john van brocklin]

2nd period there's still time to check it.

Wut?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You have to be confused if you thought Dak didn't throw passes behind receivers....what quarterback doesn't?

I see. I see where YOUR confusion comes from. Your sarcasm meter is broke.

We have a few people around here who claim Dak doesn't have a...not a habit.... but a tendency? I don't know if there are actual stats for that. I think there's one about "catchable"? Which I will argue all day isn't a fair stat. Just because a ball is in the wingspan doesn't make it catchable.

And no...I do not watch every single play of all the other QB's to compare. And yes...he does throw some great passes too! And yes...other QB's do indeed throw int's. It's simply my perception and opinion it's something he needs to work on. It almost seems he throws it where the receiver is not where he's gonna be.

I'm glad we got to the bottom of this...I was losing sleep.

(You may or may not agree with ANYTHING I just said...and that is cool. It's just my opinion.)

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Wut?

AT the time I posted FoxNFL was running the boys/hawks 2020 game. It's very interesting to go back and rewatch games rather than rely on memory recall.

Does that help?

 

[blueblood70]

Once again, just because your offense turns the ball over doesn't give your defense the pass to give up a touchdown.

You acknowledge that we had special team issues, coaching errors, dropped footballs....yet you acknowledge if not for Dak's mistakes we win. Well crap you can say that about every aspect of that game. IF specials teams was better that game we win. If the defense was better win. If the coaching was better we win.

If you think Dak is going to go into next season never fumbling or throwing zero picks...just get your threads ready.

At the end of the day a quarterback throwing a interception or fumble is going to happen. Missing extra points will happen but shouldn't.

nope this game falls squarely on Dak.....watch it, see it ..all year all we heard was zekes fumbles, bad defense etc etc well im pointing out Daks mistake in this game we are under the heading , its on Dak..lots of yards but some errant passes, a pick and fumble all led to the loss..

give me phreaking break this was RW and the Seahawks getting the balling side our 10 and on our ide of the field so two short fields led to TDs our defames was an issue but they arent stalwart's and your 160mil man cant be piling on it already..spotting teams drives and points is how you lose games...

zeke had two b2b bad games in 15 with fumbles well dak had 2 in 5..NEXT just pointing out those losses sometimes were o Dak not all zeke the defense and other factors..bad season was due to all plyers coaches and the fo..they all own it..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

nope this game falls squarely on Dak.....watch it, see it ..all year all we heard was zekes fumbles, bad defense etc etc well im pointing out Daks mistake in this game we are under the heading , its on Dak..lots of yards but some errant passes, a pick and fumble all led to the loss..

give me phreaking break this was RW and the Seahawks getting the balling side our 10 and on our ide of the field so two short fields led to TDs our defames was an issue but they arent stalwart's and your 160mil man cant be piling on it already..spotting teams drives and points is how you lose games...

zeke had two b2b bad games in 15 with fumbles well dak had 2 in 5..NEXT just pointing out those losses sometimes were o Dak not all zeke the defense and other factors..bad season was due to all plyers coaches and the fo..they all own it..

So its Dak's fault the defense was poor that game? Is that the argument you have here? Giants had no issue with Russell Wilson inside the 10....neither did the Rams...oh...actual good defenses...make sense.