Dak vs Deshaun Watson

Id pass on both unless the money is right.

Watson is proving that he isn’t good enough to carry a team but wants money like he is.

Same as Dak.

I need absolute greatness for these team crushing deals that Prescott and Watson sign instead of just watching my team struggle to ever be good enough because the QB has assaulted the cap.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I don't attack Dak. I have him as the 11th best QB in the NFL right now.

He's good, but he's done nothing to earn the praise that you and others give him everyday, that's all.
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That's laughable.

Yet, you think Deshaun is good? He's led his team to TWO 4-12 records throughout his 4 year career. That's PATHETIC!

Yet, you have this sexual predator as a better QB than Dak? This fool who has led his team to TWO 4-12 records in only his short 4 year career?

:lmao::laugh::lmao::laugh::lmao:

Get lost troll.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I am not surprised to see it that way specially in past two years and how the teams did. I bet it would be different for Brady, mahomes as their teams probably had leads going into 4th and they didn't need to throw as much..

I wonder if there is point differential going into half and 4th quarter stats....if it's a lot then probably you going in pass pass pass..if it's close then you are playing a more balanced offense.
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That gets way more into the team’s performance; as Dak had a terrible run D in 2020 that led to teams having early leads, but alternatively Deshaun had a worse overall D, teams could do what they will against him/them.

% of passing yards in the quarter is about as close as we can get to how the game plan deviated and how that deviation benefited each QB, in my opinion. Maybe we could get into rush yards in the 4th to also show what the offenses were choosing to do based on circumstance, but then again….


BILL O’BRIEN


So any factor like that goes out the window when you have a coach who’s an idiot. Garett had his problems, but the O was always fairly competent in his tenure. It would be a complement to call BOB “Mr. 8-8.”
 
America's Cowboy said:
That's laughable.

Yet, you think Deshaun is good? He's led his team to TWO 4-12 records throughout his 4 year career. That's PATHETIC!

Yet, you have this sexual predator as a better QB than Dak? This fool who has led his team to TWO 4-12 records in only his short 4 year career?

:lmao::laugh::lmao::laugh::lmao:

Get lost troll.
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Get with your buddies and let us know if we're counting wins/losses as a QB stat or not. Because I get kinda tired of seeing W/L used to fit a narrative, but ignored other times.

Star blind, I tell ya

:facepalm::facepalm:
 
America's Cowboy said:
This is hilarious.

Dak has equal % (49%) of percentage passing in both the 1st & 2nd Halves throughout his career.

While...

Deshaun has thrown for 48% of his passing percentage in the 1st Half while throwing for 51% in the 2nd Half average of his career.

Looks like Deshaun is the one with more "garbage yards" % passing in the 2nd Half between both QBs.

I'll easily take Dak since he clearly is more balanced of a passer throughout all 4 quarters.
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Even subtracting that 1% to make Deshaun even over both, he still leads the league in total passing yards. I don think that 1% makes Dak clearly more balanced. Especially when he’s dumping more in 4th quarter both in career and in recent tenure.

You could go through all 32 starters like this and you probably won’t find 2 more aligned than these.
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
Accuracy

Deshaun Watson is the single most accurate Quarterback who's ever lived. No, Seriously.

Quarterback Accuracy, Career

Dak's up there too, but not where Deshaun is. And Dak's accuracy is actually going down as he's asked to throw it more. 65.9% his last 2 years, vs 67.8% his rookie year.


Proficiency

Proficiency is the point where efficiency meets prolificity. We've established Deshaun is highly accurate, but in 2020 he had a historically prolific season as well. He completed 70% of his passes in 2020, which does seem to be a recurring achievement amongst QBs the last 5 years or so. But not at the crazy rate he was doing it: Deshaun Watson led the entire NFL in yards per attempt in 2020, at 8.9 It is the highest yards per attempt for a 70% completion passer in NFL history. He wasn't dinking and dunking, he wasn't playing it safe, he was straight up bombing the ball downfield... and maintaining 70%. For comparison's sake, Drew Brees never had a YPA season higher than 8.3.

Additionally, Deshaun didn't exactly have a Dallas offense around him. The only team's QB's who were sacked more than DW were Wentz/Hurts. 31st in pass protection. Texans were also 31st in rushing yards, you knew what they were going to do on offense. Also don't forget this is the season AFTER they traded away the NFL's best WR. Led league in ypa, yards, completion percentage. Drew Brees is the only other quarterback in NFL history to throw for 4800+ yards in a season at 70% completion. For comparison, Dak's 4900 season in 2019 was at a 65% clip. Craziest part of this stat is Deshaun was only 13th in attempts! He is the only QB in NFL history to lead the league in passing yards despite not being in the top 10 in attempts. In a season where Brady played like he did, Rodgers played like he did, Mahomes played like he did, it's pretty nuts.

Deep Ball Passing

We'll stick to 2019 for this one, as it was Dak's last full season, Dak's best season, and not Deshaun's impossible 2020 to make it fairer. Dak was heralded for his deep ball passing in 2019, being amongst the league's leaders, but lets look at how that played out a little deeper.

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Above we see Deshaun amongst the top of the league in deep ball accuracy, but Dak is actually not too far behind. However, this is a list of 20 yards or greater, what is generally considered a deep ball. If we move the sticks to 30+ yards, it looks a bit different:

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Deshaun remains amongst the most accurate QB's at throwing the deeper passes (far right column), while Dak drops all the way between Jacoby Brissett and Mitchell Trubisky. If you notice the green column in the middle, thats passes between 20-30 yards, and Dak's completion percentage there is unusually high... that's what's inflating his overall deep completion percentage. If you want a 23 yard post, Dak is as good as any. But if you want to go for the big one... also notice Deshaun has 20 completions of 20+ yards in 2019, easily the most of anyone. He's really good at it and he knows it.



Probably some other categories where Deshaun looks pretty good, but these are the 3 that stand out the most to me.
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This is a good reflection of Watson's best attribute, he buys time like no other, his recievers now when he breaks to head to open space and he has the arm strength to hit them.....it is also why he gets sacked alot... no denying he is a great talent at QB though. I would still take Dak at this point because I think he still has room to grow, Watson might but I think we see what his talent is. The off field crap is ridiculous...if its true he may be done.
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
Even subtracting that 1% to make Deshaun even over both, he still leads the league in total passing yards. I don think that 1% makes Dak clearly more balanced. Especially when he’s dumping more in 4th quarter both in career and in recent tenure.

You could go through all 32 starters like this and you probably won’t find 2 more aligned than these.
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Get lost Eagles troll. Go follow your buddy, Wince, now in Indy!
:lmao:

Deshaun leads the league in total passing yards? In what world? I'll wait to hear this one...
 
I put Dak over Watson although at one point I thought Watson was the most exciting player in the league. I think Dak is a better leader and more consistent overall as a player. But I will admit Dak has played with a much better offense since coming into the league also. I think it’s a close comparison but I wouldn’t trade Dak for Watson….
 
ghst187 said:
I put Dak over Watson although at one point I thought Watson was the most exciting player in the league. I think Dak is a better leader and more consistent overall as a player. But I will admit Dak has played with a much better offense since coming into the league also. I think it’s a close comparison but I wouldn’t trade Dak for Watson….
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If you was the GM of any team and Dak was your QB, including the Cowboys, you'd be fired if they offered you Watson for Dak and you said no.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
If you was the GM or any team and Dak was your QB, including the Cowboys, you'd be fired if they offered you Watson for Dak and you said no.
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This is silly....Watson has some serious problems right now. I know you dont like Dak as a QB but do try and stay in a real conversation. When you trade for him and your owner says your fired if he gets suspended...you good with that?
 
Risen Star said:
I'd say the tiebreaker is Watson has talent.
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Well seeing as they have almost identical stats and pretty simular accomplishments.....Risen you just gave Dak a glowing "he has talent" by default....Id say your comming around Risen!!!!!! Dak Jersey incomming for Risen!!!!
 
CowboyFrog said:
This is silly....Watson has some serious problems right now. I know you dont like Dak as a QB but do try and stay in a real conversation. When you trade for him and your owner says your fired if he gets suspended...you good with that?
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Of course if we're talking about off the field issues then Watson is a problem, but I thought this topic was about who the better QB is? If Watson is only suspended for a 1 year then I believe that 32 out of 32 GMs would still trade Dak for him straight up

I like Dak, there are just 10 QBs that I like better right now. If age is taken into account then there would be less then
 
Hawkeye0202 said:
Tough call but Dak's intangibles give him a slight edge IMO. Honestly, I'd have no problem with Watson as my franchise QB if we didn't have Dak, it's that close.



Dak stats:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

Watson stats:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsDe00.htm

Dak contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/

Watson contract:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/deshaun-watson-21753/
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Not sure I entirely agree with your assessment, but there is one statistic where Watson is clearly leading the way - lawsuits.

Watson's going to be tough to trade with those hanging over his head. No NFL team wants that as the face of the franchise.
 
CowboyFrog said:
Well seeing as they have almost identical stats and pretty simular accomplishments.....Risen you just gave Dak a glowing "he has talent" by default....Id say your comming around Risen!!!!!! Dak Jersey incomming for Risen!!!!
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Identical stats and similar acomplishments with Dak playing 16 more games...

I think that kinda proves Risens point, no?
 
America's Cowboy said:
Are you serious???

Dak would have blown both Deshaun the Molestor's 2020 stats, plus Peyton Manning's single season NFL passing record to smithereens had Dak not gotten injured.

You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
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…I don’t think that’s the truth. Dak played a great defense in LAR the first game, and was held to 266 yards. He then subsequently played, no Joke, the worst, 2nd worst, and 10th worst pass defenses in the national football league over the next 3 games… which accounted for 77% of his passing yards over the whole (truncated) season, despite being only 63% of the quarters he played in.

Now could he have duplicated his 2019 season, maybe even have beaten Deshaun in total passing yards? Yeah that’s possible.

But maintain his pace from the first 4-5 games over the whole season? Unless he’s playing the 31st and 32nd pass D’s every single week… I’m not going to say impossible, but implausible is a good word here.
 
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MountaineerCowboy said:
Identical stats and similar acomplishments with Dak playing 16 more games...

I think that kinda proves Risens point, no?
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No because Dak has a years worth more stats than Watson, as has already been said. Again I'm cool with you liking Watson more but don't act like you have a clear stats diferential to prove it. We get it you value Dak less than some others. Good thing is we get to find out one day your either going to get to say "see I told you Dak is not that good" or you can come back and eat some crow...If he sucks I'll eat crow and hope the team moves on.
 
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