Dak vs Deshaun Watson

America's Cowboy said:
Are you serious???

Dak would have blown both Deshaun the Molestor's 2020 stats, plus Peyton Manning's single season NFL passing record to smithereens had Dak not gotten injured.

You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
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Did you know Dak was also "on pace" to lead the NFL in turnovers last year also?

You Don't know it. I know it. Everyone here ignores it.
 
CowboyFrog said:
No because Dak has a years worth more stats than Watson, as has already been said. Again I'm cool with you liking Watson more but don't act like you have a clear stats diferential to prove it. We get it you value Dak less than some others. Good thing is we get to find out one day your either going to get to say "see I told you Dak is not that good" or you can come back and eat some crow...If he sucks I'll eat crow and hope the team moves on.
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I hope I eat the crow. I want Dak to be better then these guys, but I can't put the blinders on a pretend he is until he shows that on the field.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Did you know Dak was also "on pace" to lead the NFL in turnovers last year also?

You Don't know it. I know it. Everyone here ignores it.
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The only stat thats matters to you... winning %...just fyi..again you dont care about stats only winning ....there is no style points for a lose..Correct?

Dak Prescott .609%


Deshaun Watson .528%
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
…I don’t think that’s the truth. Dak played a great defense in LAR the first game, and was held to 266 yards. He then subsequently played, no Joke, the worst, 2nd worst, and 10th worst pass defenses in the national football league over the next 3 games… which accounted for 77% of his passing yards overall the whole season, despite being only 63% of the quarters he played in.

Now could he have duplicated his 2019 season, maybe even have beaten Deshaun in total passing yards? Yeah that’s possible.

But maintain his pace from the first 4-5 games over the whole season? Unless he’s playing the worst and 2nd worst pass D’s every single week… I’m not going to say impossible, but implausible is a good word here.
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I like that you provide numbers to back things up. Respect.

You'll still be called a "troll" because certain posters opinions mean more then actual facts, but hey, respect to you for actually backing things up.
 
visionary said:
Yeah, being on a 4-12 team with a way worse OL and RB “made him more accurate “

I have seen many garbage arguments from you in defense of Dak but this takes the cake

:facepalm::facepalm:
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That 2020...cowboys had ton of injuries on the OL starting. Right off the bat...yet Dak in 5 games was leading the league in passing..

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your argument...continue on
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
That gets way more into the team’s performance; as Dak had a terrible run D in 2020 that led to teams having early leads, but alternatively Deshaun had a worse overall D, teams could do what they will against him/them.

% of passing yards in the quarter is about as close as we can get to how the game plan deviated and how that deviation benefited each QB, in my opinion. Maybe we could get into rush yards in the 4th to also show what the offenses were choosing to do based on circumstance, but then again….


BILL O’BRIEN


So any factor like that goes out the window when you have a coach who’s an idiot. Garett had his problems, but the O was always fairly competent in his tenure. It would be a complement to call BOB “Mr. 8-8.”
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The challenge is Dak played only 4.5 games and schedule was a little easier outside of ravens...so we can only project.

Dallas defense in the first 5 games was NFL all time bad....it looked better because they played last 4 games against bunch of incompetent injury riddled offenses
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
Not really. But I could have guessed you would say that...

And character and leadership matter. But you don't care about that stuff. It doesn't fit your character or your argument
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He'll pat ya on the butt and say "we'll get em next time" while saying all the right things to the media. A leader gets results.
 
CowboyFrog said:
The only stat thats matters to you... winning %...just fyi..again you dont care about stats only winning ....there is no style points for a lose..Correct?

Dak Prescott .609%


Deshaun Watson .528%
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I keep asking if we're considering wins/losses as a QB stat or not now and nobody can give me an answer. It seems to only come up when it fits a narrative.

So i'll try with you. Are wins/losses a QB stat or not?
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
He'll pat ya on the butt and say "we'll get em next time" while saying all the right things to the media. A leader gets results.
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So Dilfer and Foles were leaders? They got results..
And given 4-12 was result of Watson as the QB...I guess not much of a leader.....
Given 28 potential rapes...it confirms it but hey you chose a rapist over a leader...

Go on spin away....
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I like that you provide numbers to back things up. Respect.

You'll still be called a "troll" because certain posters opinions mean more then actual facts, but hey, respect to you for actually backing things up.
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Most of the posters here respect Aerolithe opinion, he doesn't hide who he roots for and as long as it isn't about the Eagles he is generally spot on (cant believe some teams have homer fans). Even most that say troll to him are mostly jabbing at him for being an Eagles fan.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
The challenge is Dak played only 4.5 games and schedule was a little easier outside of ravens...so we can only project.

Dallas defense in the first 5 games was NFL all time bad....it looked better because they played last 4 games against bunch of incompetent injury riddled offenses
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yeah that’s why I combined 2019 and 2020, tried to make it as close to a season’s total (by averaging) and account for his 2020. Maybe I could have started at game 5 in 2019 to make it exactly 1 season, but that would have looked bad for Dak as you remember you started on a torrid pace that year as well before they mellowed out as the schedule got harder.

But Dak’s 2020 is inflated as well, as you played the 32nd, 31st, and 23rd pass defenses in games 2-4. In game 1 and in the first half of game 5 he wasn’t even close to the pace he was when beating up the bad ones. His stats still would have been great if he played 16, but like the beginning of 2019, there’s no way that pace would have held
 
I can see an argument to be made for each one.

Anyone who is saying “it isn’t close” is just showing their truly agenda driven and don’t care about the actual reality though.

because their overall ability on the football field is close.
 
Jake said:
Not sure I entirely agree with your assessment, but there is one statistic where Watson is clearly leading the way - lawsuits.

Watson's going to be tough to trade with those hanging over his head. No NFL team wants that as the face of the franchise.
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Watson could, and maybe should, opt out.
He and Rodgers both had that option this year.
Not sure what Watson would make, but Rodgers would still collect about 18.3M without playing a single down.

We'll know by July 2.

Watson wouldn't make anything, so its unlikely he will opt out. He'll still draw his $10 million if he doesn't.
 
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Aerolithe_Lion said:
yeah that’s why I combined 2019 and 2020, tried to make it as close to a season’s total (by averaging) and account for his 2020. Maybe I could have started at game 5 in 2019 to make it exactly 1 season, but that would have looked bad for Dak as you remember you started on a torrid pace that year as well before they mellowed out as the schedule got harder.
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I know it's always hard to project things. It's educated guess work at best...
But if you go 4-12 then you are contributing to the misery...even the incompetent jets and jags stumbled to 2 wins....and the 1996 cowboys with Campo and Carter got to 5 wins....
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I keep asking if we're considering wins/losses as a QB stat or not now and nobody can give me an answer. It seems to only come up when it fits a narrative.

So i'll try with you. Are wins/losses a QB stat or not?
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Why ask anyone its what YOU want to use, all I do is show you how it puts who you rank into light. If someone else here likes passing yards as a measure that doesn't mean you think it is correct. I like Dak my reason is to me (some dont agree) he is progressing at a good pace and I see him being very good when he is in his prime QB years, I could be wrong of course but I think he is smart and studies the game and has the physical attributes to lead this team to a ring.....now of course we have a GM who makes that a bit more difficult but hey everyone has problems....
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I keep asking if we're considering wins/losses as a QB stat or not now and nobody can give me an answer. It seems to only come up when it fits a narrative.

So i'll try with you. Are wins/losses a QB stat or not?
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You always quote wins and losses and QBs in the same post.....seemingly you equate the two...
 
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