PFN Insider Discusses McCarthy

[gimmesix]

It's not his offense.
It's not his special teams.
It's not his defense.

The coordinators each run their units.

Didn't mean that to be taken the way you did. The offense is the strength of this team and it was missing its strength last year. If the unit stays healthy, then it needs to lead the team into the playoffs. If it doesn't, then it doesn't matter who is running the units, it's on McCarthy.

Last year was a mulligan because of all the injury issues on offense. McCarthy is considered an offensive coach, so the offensive side of the ball is his and has to validate him as coach (even if it's Moore's offense they are running). Maybe if it fails, McCarthy would be able to convince the Joneses that it's Moore's fault and they need a new coordinator, but it's hard for an offensive-minded coach to pass the buck (although I guess Garrett managed that with Linehan).

 

[T-RO]

Didn't mean that to be taken the way you did. The offense is the strength of this team and it was missing its strength last year. If the unit stays healthy, then it needs to lead the team into the playoffs. If it doesn't, then it doesn't matter who is running the units, it's on McCarthy.

Last year was a mulligan because of all the injury issues on offense. McCarthy is considered an offensive coach, so the offensive side of the ball is his and has to validate him as coach (even if it's Moore's offense they are running). Maybe if it fails, McCarthy would be able to convince the Joneses that it's Moore's fault and they need a new coordinator, but it's hard for an offensive-minded coach to pass the buck (although I guess Garrett managed that with Linehan).

I hear you, but my hunch is that unless the offense fails to be top 10 (I don't see that) Moore is safe. He's been good. I don't see them changing the DC three times in 3 years so Quinn should also be safe.

McCarthy, meanwhile will be judged by overall results and the bar won't merely be a winning record, IMO. The leaks to the press tell me the front office is bent towards firing McCarthy and will need to be convinced otherwise.

 

[JoeKing]

And even allowed that clown’s contract to ‘expire’ rather than firing him

It's the same thing. Opting to not offer a new contract is a rejection of further employment. It's getting fired.

 

[Stash]

It's the same thing. Opting to not offer a new contract is a rejection of further employment. It's getting fired.

I would say both yes and no on that. In Garrett’s case, I think people can be right to say that he was fired and that they decided to make a change.

 

[JoeKing]

I would say both yes and no on that. In Garrett’s case, I think people can be right to say that he was fired and that they decided to make a change.

We are talking about Garrett's case. He was fired.

 

[Batman1980]

that is the only bad thing if MM gets fired lol.
However if Kellen was HC, and he hired a new OC, that might be ok, but I figure he would be HC / OC.

People say MM gets a break for 2020, but no one expected a 12-4 season after dak went down, but 9-7 was doable.
Also with dak he was 1-3 and the one win had nothing to do with MM, just a lucky ST play.

I mainly judged him on his in game decisions, which were off the chart bad and crazy at times.

Still he is getting this season, so he gets another chance.
I just agree with broadus that he doesnt bring much to the table.

Doesn't bring much to the table is still light years ahead of clap and spit for 13 years.

 

[Ranched]

Didn't mean that to be taken the way you did. The offense is the strength of this team and it was missing its strength last year. If the unit stays healthy, then it needs to lead the team into the playoffs. If it doesn't, then it doesn't matter who is running the units, it's on McCarthy.

Bottom line. Moore needs to go. Tired of his play-calling (especially in the redzone), while MM gets penalized for it. It just can't be anymore obvious. MM had the chance to be rid of Moore.

Now he's paying the price.

 

[Stash]

We are talking about Garrett's case. He was fired.

If it’s me saying it? I agree with you. But if a Garrett defender claims that his contract simply wasn’t renewed, I couldn’t tell them they were wrong either.

 

[jterrell]

It's the same thing. Opting to not offer a new contract is a rejection of further employment. It's getting fired.

It's semantic stuff but not the same thing.
Jerry took the easy way out and when JG's contract was up both sides could look around.
Jerry did; then decided to go a different direction.
But if you aren't under contract you aren't an employee and can't be fired.

Jerry didn't even announce it at year's end when it was pretty obvious. He legit allowed the contract to run out.

Now he could have done this because he wasn't sure he could find a better option or out of respect for the Garrett family but he can say he never actually fired Garrett.

 

[jterrell]

FWIW, I still think McCarthy was pretty easily the best NFL head coaching hire last year.
It may not work out best but he had the combination of deep playoff experience and positional knowledge at QB you wanted for this team.

I would have been pretty annoyed at Matt Rhule or Joe Judge or Ron Rivera(who has only 3 seasons out of 10 of reaching .500)

This is a passing league first and foremost and an offensive one. Hiring outside those realms is ignoring modern football and walking backwards. --no this doesn't mean you can't run the ball or play better defense, but you can't win in this league unless you pass it efficiently.

 

[Redball Express]

I was hopeful he changed from what they said ended his GB tenure. Nothing last year made me feel positively about him and I’m coming to the feeling that he really doesn’t bring anything special to the table. If you took McCarthy out and had Moore run the Offense and Quinn run the Defense you wouldn’t miss a thing. Even with that being said I am willing to give him this year before I make a conclusion.

https://nfltraderumors.co/nfc-notes-mike-mccarthy-cowboys-giants-washington/

• A “plugged-in” source tells Adam Beasley of PFN that it could be “NFC Championship Game or bust” for Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy in year two.
• According to Beasley, there’s a sense around the NFL that McCarthy didn’t “wear particularly well in his first year with the Cowboys” and his job could be in jeopardy, barring a deep playoff run.
• One other concern is that Beasley says there are some around the Cowboys who are a “bit dubious” about McCarthy’s coaching staff decisions. Beasley explains that McCarthy is a delegator and clearly wanted people around him he could trust to handle a larger workload.

Pretty much what I see too.

 

[Stash]

FWIW, I still think McCarthy was pretty easily the best NFL head coaching hire last year.
It may not work out best but he had the combination of deep playoff experience and positional knowledge at QB you wanted for this team.

I would have been pretty annoyed at Matt Rhule or Joe Judge or Ron Rivera(who has only 3 seasons out of 10 of reaching .500)

This is a passing league first and foremost and an offensive one. Hiring outside those realms is ignoring modern football and walking backwards. --no this doesn't mean you can't run the ball or play better defense, but you can't win in this league unless you pass it efficiently.

My jury is still out on it being the best hire.

I think Judge did a great job turning around a Giants team lacking talent. His decisions on defense and staff in particular worked out great.

And Rivera brought what was expected to Washington - improved defense. And they ultimately won the division.

I’m still working on just what McCarthy is bringing. Moore and his offense were already in place, and we saw what a disaster his decision for defensive coordinator turned out to be.

I need to see at least another, normal season to have a more informed opinion.

 

[JoeKing]

If it’s me saying it? I agree with you. But if a Garrett defender claims that his contract simply wasn’t renewed, I couldn’t tell them they were wrong either.

You're right because it's the same thing.

 

[OmerV]

Rivera and Judge had the same raw deal.

They didn't exactly tear it up either though. Washington winning the league was just a matter of which lousy team happened to win one extra game. With Dak back I would bet on the Cowboys doing much better than either.

That's not to say I expect the Cowboys to tear up the NFL. They have a lot of questions yet to answer.

 

[jterrell]

My jury is still out on it being the best hire.

I think Judge did a great job turning around a Giants team lacking talent. His decisions on defense and staff in particular worked out great.

And Rivera brought what was expected to Washington - improved defense. And they ultimately won the division.

I’m still working on just what McCarthy is bringing. Moore and his offense were already in place, and we saw what a disaster his decision for defensive coordinator turned out to be.

I need to see at least another, normal season to have a more informed opinion.

No real disagreements there.
Mike has plenty to prove in year 2.
His DC hire was panned when he made it even during he honeymoon phase. Then both and that DC lied to us all off-season about what the defense would be schematically.

All that being said there were subtle things I liked.
He was aggressive with 4th down calls but not goofy. He did a few seemingly lame motivational things that seemed to actually work.
But you brought him here to win playoff games then he didn't have a playoff team roster due to injuries.
He can only prove himself in that arena.

Judge and Rivera did bring instant "fight" and strong defense to those teams. But if you can't find and elevate a QB then get out imho.
It is 2021. Both guys saw QB1 take a step back.
Judge chose Garrett to run his offense which is egregiously bad decision-makign imo. JG is a better CEO type coach than OC.

 

[OmerV]

If it’s me saying it? I agree with you. But if a Garrett defender claims that his contract simply wasn’t renewed, I couldn’t tell them they were wrong either.

I don't see that it really matters because his contract not being renewed is just the mechanics of how the team moved on from Garrett. It still was just a matter of the team deciding to go with someone new.

 

[Miller]

I was hopeful he changed from what they said ended his GB tenure. Nothing last year made me feel positively about him and I’m coming to the feeling that he really doesn’t bring anything special to the table. If you took McCarthy out and had Moore run the Offense and Quinn run the Defense you wouldn’t miss a thing. Even with that being said I am willing to give him this year before I make a conclusion.

https://nfltraderumors.co/nfc-notes-mike-mccarthy-cowboys-giants-washington/

• A “plugged-in” source tells Adam Beasley of PFN that it could be “NFC Championship Game or bust” for Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy in year two.
• According to Beasley, there’s a sense around the NFL that McCarthy didn’t “wear particularly well in his first year with the Cowboys” and his job could be in jeopardy, barring a deep playoff run.
• One other concern is that Beasley says there are some around the Cowboys who are a “bit dubious” about McCarthy’s coaching staff decisions. Beasley explains that McCarthy is a delegator and clearly wanted people around him he could trust to handle a larger workload.

My feelings on this….this season will give him a full camp, rested/rehabbed Oline, Dak back, new D Coordinator and tons of O talent. To me this is a very good measuring stick year for him. I also think the stink of Garrett is gone and hopefully people realize after his first year with the Giants that he wasn’t the answer at anytime here. My fear is that we will never get back to the playoff runs of old without a Jimmy/Parcells who can demand some respect and handle Jerry. I even think a young gun with special qualities can do it. McCarthy I want to see do well but he may have tricked people into this job. Overall if the coordinators can do their job and he can manage snd stay out of the way then we have a shot.

 

[Stash]

I don't see that it really matters because his contract not being renewed is just the mechanics of how the team moved on from Garrett. It still was just a matter of the team deciding to go with someone new.

I agree, but those trying to defend Garrett clung to a perceived ‘distinction’ between the two.

 

[OmerV]

I agree, but those trying to defend Garrett clung to a perceived ‘distinction’ between the two.

I guess I didn't read back to get the full context, but absolutely the distinction is only in the mechanics of how the team moved on from Garrett and doesn't in any way change the fact the team made the choice not to keep Garrett.

 

[Stash]

I guess I didn't read back to get the full context, but absolutely the distinction is only in the mechanics of how the team moved on from Garrett and doesn't in any way change the fact the team made the choice not to keep Garrett.