Misunderstanding about players big paydays

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The way the NFL re-structured its pay system in the 2011 CBA, less money would be heaped on rookies, and more of the revenue pie would be shifted to veteran players who had earned a pay raise based on their play on the field, not their reputation coming out of college.

Before 2011, some first round rookies were getting paid a lot more money than some veteran starters who had proven to be valuable assets. So since 2011, the focus on how players were paid changed, and I think it was for the better.

But IMO, many fans see the big dollar second contracts that many veteran players get as an indication that the player then has to play even better than in the past to “justify” their pay raise. But actually the second contract is seen by both the owners and players as both a reward for good play and a way to retain that talent in the future at market value.

Here are some points on why I believe the big second contract is misunderstood:
  • Most players who play very well on their rookie contracts are producing at a high level while also being paid well below market value. This is especially true of players drafted in the middle to late rounds who play very well on rookie deals.
  • The second contract is an adjustment of pay to better fit the players perceived value, not necessarily their actual value.
  • Most second contracts have “parachutes” built in for the owners to get out of the deal in the long term if certain conditions warrant. In other words, it gives the owners flexibility to not pay all of the original proposed amount.
I mention “fan misunderstandings about second contracts” because sometimes I think fans are unduly harsh on some players after getting a second deal. DeMarcus Lawrence is a good example of this.

IMO, DLaw has continued to play at a very high level. Fans tend to judge a player based solely on certain stats like sacks. Across the league, DLaw is a very respected player by offensive coordinators and is usually ranked in the top ten of defensive lineman by both players and pundits.

That’s not to say every second contract player continues to play well. Jay Ratliff, Miles Austin, Doug Free, Tyrone Crawford, and Zeke are IMO some examples of guys who were paid more than their long term value. Some of the good second contracts recently include Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, DLaw, and perhaps La’el Collins. We will see about Dak.

Bottom line for me is, a bigger paycheck for a pro football player is more complex than it used to be. Judging a player on stats vs dollars is not always accurate.
 

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Good.summary, Bob. For the most part, second contracts are market driven within the confines of the salary cap. It is not all that different from the corporate world where salaries are benchmarked across industry sectors for various job types.

The rub, though, is that professional sports pays astronomically better than the corporate world.
 

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The second contract is the first contract a player gets to negotiate and that can be in the second half of their career
Teams own draft picks and contract are virtually set when a guy is picks
That contract depending on when drafted can easily be half of most players career with 5th year option, tags and such
Fans don’t get that players very rarely have long careers like a Brady has and that second contract is the key to their career earnings
And while players make huge salaries, between taxes that most of us don’t pay, agent fees and such they don’t make what it appears they do
The other thing that fans don’t get is conparing a 2 year old contract to a new one is a false narrative
A guy like Dak won’t have a top contract very long because the next wave of guys getting paid will eclipse it very soon
Teams and players agreed to limit first contracts to set amounts to spread the money around to guys earning that second deal
Before this system a guy like lawrence would have a massive contract before he ever touched the field. And since most QB’s never become great the rookies would eat up a ton of cap space before they ever showed they could play
This system rewards players who earn a second contract which to me is a much fairer system
 

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Imo, and as to however it is fine printed in the contract, it all boils down to the g word.

Guarantees.

However the contract writer and agent agree to fine print details other than guaranteed money that are seemingly inescapable clauses(might as well be guarantees),
it is the responsibility of the team to protect itself with the necessary outs.

Failure to do so is what Dallas does now with several contracts which have included clauses that can almost be interpreted as guarantees.

I strongly believe in those out clauses that protect the team from the future/(often)less productive yrs of the contract.

The third C in this alliteration referring to the Cowboys continuing lack of onfield success.
Culture, Coaching and Contracts Cause Cowboys Cancer.
 
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Imo, and as to however it is fine printed in the contract, it all boils down to the g word.

Guarantees.

However the contract writer and agent agree to fine print details other than guaranteed money that are seemingly inescapable clauses(might as well be guarantees) is on the team to protect itself with the necessary outs.

Failure to do so is what Dallas does now.

I strongly believe in those out clauses rhat protect the team from the future/ (often)less productive yrs of the contract.


Some positions can be easier than other to get those clauses in, fact is at QB and LT and DE there are more teams than there are starting qaulity players at those positions that they end up over paying with gauranteed contracts.
 

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Nice post Bob, everyone would love to win on a team full of rookie contracts but the fact is your going to have to give out second contracts if you have drafted well.
The way the NFL structured contract rules in 2011, having high impact players on rookie deals is the ideal way to have on and off field impact. The 2013 and 14 Seahawks were perfect examples of that.
Good.summary, Bob. For the most part, second contracts are market driven within the confines of the salary cap. It is not all that different from the corporate world where salaries are benchmarked across industry sectors for various job types.

The rub, though, is that professional sports pays astronomically better than the corporate world.
Good points. But unlike the corporate world, pro football players only have 5-10 years to maximize their value. If you are a corporate climber, you can earn maximum value for decades.
 

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Some positions can be easier than other to get those clauses in, fact is at QB and LT and DE there are more teams than there are starting qaulity players at those positions that they end up over paying with gauranteed contracts.

Yep, I hear ya. Not sure how far back agents started getting the one that is in Zeke's and Jaylon's about the following year's contract becoming fully guaranteed if on the roster in March of the previous year. Not a big fan of that particular fine print, lol.

Like I said, not sure if its on Prescotts, Lawrence or Cooper's, but if it is, I don't like it.
 
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Yeah, DLaw got twenty million a season to stop the run and get six sacks a year. Something tells me Taco Charlton could put up similar numbers with the same snap count.

If DLaw is so good why not put him at the right defensive end spot? Riddle me that!

His pay and production don't match and I don't care what anyone says. It just don't.
 

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DLaw is a 15 mil/season player who is paid like a top 3 player. I don't have a problem w/ paying him duly, I have a problem w/ paying him more than he's worth.
 

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Yeah, DLaw got twenty million a season to stop the run and get six sacks a year. Something tells me Taco Charlton could put up similar numbers with the same snap count.

If DLaw is so good why not put him at the right defensive end spot? Riddle me that!

His pay and production don't match and I don't care what anyone says. It just don't.

I firmly agree with all of this.
 

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If DLaw had signed for around 15 mil/season, he'd be loved by the fanbase and would still be unltra rich. And might have better players around him.
 

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DLaw is a 15 mil/season player who is paid like a top 3 player. I don't have a problem w/ paying him duly, I have a problem w/ paying him more than he's worth.


So thats the thing, he had just come off a great year, if they let him walk and couldn't find another good DE then they would've been roasted for letting him walk...see Byron Jones as an example.
 

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So thats the thing, he had just come off a great year, if they let him walk and couldn't find another good DE then they would've been roasted for letting him walk...see Byron Jones as an example.
Absolutely. It's on him for holding the franchise hostage. Refusing to get the surgery was pure chicken poop.
 

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I think the Cowboys signed Zeke to a contract extension thinking he would continue to get better and they could run him into the ground during his prime years like they did Murray. At the end of his extension they would simply draft his replacement, which is what is going to happen. They just didn't know he would flatline.

I think Zeke is still a really good back and fully capable but we definitely overpaid to this point.
 

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The way the NFL re-structured its pay system in the 2011 CBA, less money would be heaped on rookies, and more of the revenue pie would be shifted to veteran players who had earned a pay raise based on their play on the field, not their reputation coming out of college.

Before 2011, some first round rookies were getting paid a lot more money than some veteran starters who had proven to be valuable assets. So since 2011, the focus on how players were paid changed, and I think it was for the better.

But IMO, many fans see the big dollar second contracts that many veteran players get as an indication that the player then has to play even better than in the past to “justify” their pay raise. But actually the second contract is seen by both the owners and players as both a reward for good play and a way to retain that talent in the future at market value.

Here are some points on why I believe the big second contract is misunderstood:
  • Most players who play very well on their rookie contracts are producing at a high level while also being paid well below market value. This is especially true of players drafted in the middle to late rounds who play very well on rookie deals.
  • The second contract is an adjustment of pay to better fit the players perceived value, not necessarily their actual value.
  • Most second contracts have “parachutes” built in for the owners to get out of the deal in the long term if certain conditions warrant. In other words, it gives the owners flexibility to not pay all of the original proposed amount.
I mention “fan misunderstandings about second contracts” because sometimes I think fans are unduly harsh on some players after getting a second deal. DeMarcus Lawrence is a good example of this.

IMO, DLaw has continued to play at a very high level. Fans tend to judge a player based solely on certain stats like sacks. Across the league, DLaw is a very respected player by offensive coordinators and is usually ranked in the top ten of defensive lineman by both players and pundits.

That’s not to say every second contract player continues to play well. Jay Ratliff, Miles Austin, Doug Free, Tyrone Crawford, and Zeke are IMO some examples of guys who were paid more than their long term value. Some of the good second contracts recently include Tyron Smith, Zack Martin, DLaw, and perhaps La’el Collins. We will see about Dak.

Bottom line for me is, a bigger paycheck for a pro football player is more complex than it used to be. Judging a player on stats vs dollars is not always accurate.

A very eloquent way of saying, "Y'all are some jealous bastids."

:thumbup:
 

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They are all overpaid.
I understand why some believe this. All pro athletes are getting paid big money to play a game.

But look at what fans and TV networks are willing to pay to watch these players play the game of football. When you consider that the market is willing to pay multiple billions of dollars to watch these games, the players who play the game and put their bodies at risk to do it are getting true market value.
 
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